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jscott13 Mar 7, 3:05 p.m.
I was not aware that coaches had "jumped ship" in the middle of the short course season. If that indeed is the case, then all parents considering going to the Titans should think long and hard about the decision. The Titans are new and it's not as easy as one would think to run a successful swim team. They may not be able to recruit enough swimmers. And as for coaches who leave a group of athletes mid season, BEWARE. They could very well leave the Titans to return to their former jobs if things don't go as they had hoped.
swimbikerun Mar 6, 7:55 p.m.
To correct my prior statement. Lane reductions won't take effect until after sectionals, but the news is out and this certainly affects the morale of the swimmers and their ability to focus on the end of short course season.
swimbikerun Mar 6, 7:49 p.m.
I agree with jscott13. The issue is not the fact that TAC wants to start a year round team. It is the way they are going about it. RSA and Wave are being forced to waive cancellation fees in order to secure 1/3 of their lanes until August, essentially allowing the new TAC Titans coaches recruit swimmers against USA Swimming rules. RSA and Wave lose the majority of their lanes and are forced to change practice times and cancel some practice groups altogether right before sectionals. So...the Titans use scare tactics and bullying to build their team. This is a pretty awful way to treat the swimmers, who are halfway through the season, and the parents who have paid thousands of dollars to keep this facility afloat. Shame on TAC Titans and those coaches who jumped ship in the middle of the season.
swimsport1 Mar 6, 7:32 p.m.
RSA and WAVE are both USA Swimming member clubs with parent run boards. The board’s responsibility is to hire a head coach who can manage their assistant coaches and the organization’s swimming program. The head coach is also responsible for effective communication with their staff, swimmers, parents and the broader swimming community – leadership skills expected of similar roles in any organization. When those skill sets are not evident and the board does not act, the organization begins to break down. RSA has struggled to manage this problem for some time.
TAC has a business model in place to provide a more stable program moving forward and put careful thought into selecting team leadership. TAC has hired some very talented coaches who are well liked and respected by both swimmers and parents. TAC also has control of their water - a significant benefit that is encouraged by USA Swimming for the long term stability of a program.
jscott13 Mar 6, 7:21 p.m.
The "owner" made a commitment to WAVE and RSA and they, in turn, have helped to keep him afloat. He has a moral responsibility to the children on those two teams. I hope that for once, he will do the right thing. The coaching staff that he has put together has some good people. Are they better than the coaches at RSA and WAVE? No. Buyer beware.
jbk0315 Mar 6, 2:57 p.m.
Actually the owner did not take his name off the sign. We are in the process of installing a new sign. The lettering for the old sign was cracked or broken and did not look very inviting.
LuvLivingInCary Mar 6, 8:11 a.m.
noticed the owner took his name off the building sign. probably a good thing.
the way i look at this is TAC is privately owned and he who pays the notes gets to set the direction. the investor backed the loans with 20 million of his own money. tac obviously thinks it is in a better position to be running the swim teams. because of the financial stakes here for the owner, i would imagine you will see a first class swim team put in place. TAC simply needs 300 year round swimmers to pay it's bills.
anyway, in the summer all the non TAC swim teams move out into the outdoor pools for cheaper access. financially i'm sure TAC is trying to shore up it's summer revenue.
saying all that...i do think the town of cary messed up when it refused to purchase the pool a few years ago for 8 million. after all they are spending 6 million on a theater that's about 1/100th the size and will NEVER pay for itself.
Aquarian Mar 5, 7:12 p.m.
I think this all comes from one man who feels the need to dominate rather than serve. A pity he has to use other people's children to satisfy that weakness. Couple that with a senior staff of apparently incredible sycophants and you have the behavour we are seeing now.
jscott13 Mar 5, 6:36 p.m.
People this is nothing new. From its inception, TAC has been guilty of various questionable practices. WAVE and RSA parents/staff have bent over backwards to help this facility succeed because pool space is much needed in the area. Before it was ever built, TAC owners admitted that no comparable pool had ever been profitable. I am still not sure why they thought that this one would be any different. sports lover, for years there were different rumors about this pool...RSA and WAVE cannot be faulted for failing to respond to every one of those. Anyone who has been around the swimming world for awhile adopted an, "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude, because there were so many of those rumors floating around. These parents are not whiners! They have good cause to be upset. I just wish that parents and swimmers had other options besides TAC because then the facility would be forced to behave differently.
Aquarian Mar 4, 5:25 p.m.
RSA seriously considered the “merger” but it became apparent that it meant “take cover”; RSA asked questions and so TAC withdrew. In my opinion, TAC is bullying/stealing RSA. They are withholding lanes, advertising against USAS rules and threatening less lane space unless RSA releases parents from contracts. Titans could grow from their own efforts, rather than taking someone else’s success. RSA and Wave fighting over lanes is misleading; it was half the available lanes each and discussions as needed. I think this was just fabrication to try to justify the immoral behavior. It seems TAC thinks they know what’s best for our children, calling us whiners. A good team environment teaches life lessons but the kind of people and behavior that we have seen at the Titans are not the kind of values any parent would want to expose their child to. Parents have long memories and the people who have orchestrated this have labeled themselves in swimming and the wider community.
sportslover88 Mar 1, 9:43 a.m.
The part of this story that this article is missing is that both RSA and Wave have known for about a year that TAC intended to start their own swim team; they simply didn’t believe that TAC would ever do it. I got my information directly from an RSA coach, not an upset parent that doesn't know details. Anyone that has swam with either team also knows that this is probably what is best for the aquatics center since both teams constantly fight over lanes nearly every day. In the end this article was made by whining parents that don’t have all of the facts and are upset at their own organization for being unprepared.
Aquarian Feb 26, 5:42 p.m.
This has nothing to do with the "highest level of aquatic programming to the largest number of athletes and families". It's just an ego trip for a small group of men with no honor who use childrens swim teams to give themselves a feeling of self importance. Shame on them.
superman Feb 26, 4:15 p.m.
There must be plenty of rich people in Cary who have big pools in their yard. Finding one should be easy. If parents are spending thousands, they should just build their own facility.
acp9489 Feb 26, 4:11 p.m.
Why is it that the only non-TAC employee they have speaking in favor of this "merger" is a former RSA parent, who has nothing to gain or lose? Why not talk to one of the families who chose to switch to the new TAC team?
BlackedOutInRaleigh Feb 26, 2:20 p.m.
This has nothing to do with the amount of water/lane space that is available in the triangle area. There is enough water to handle the number of swimmers that want to participate in programs.
If signups for the new TAC swim team haven't even begun... they have no swimmers! (yet they are going to take 60 some percent of lane space at the facility).
This has everything to do with WHO the parents are going to write the check to each month. TAC can only be planning on growing their membership through taking swimmers from existing teams. It is purely a financial move.
My advice to TAC would be to start small and if they do it right, people will join. It may take longer to build the program, but at least people won't resent being forced to join their club.
Just my thoughts...
BrooksXRoads84 Feb 26, 12:56 p.m.
So to build a team, the proper route is to force other teams out of your facility in hopes that the inconvenience forced on RSA/WAVE parents will result in moving to the TAC team. Now THAT is a team with the best interests of the kids in mind.
Bad business at its best...
MomofBoys Feb 26, 10:10 a.m.
Sounds awfully similar to the nonsense happening now with Polar Ice House and RYHA in youth hockey. Everyone's just trying to make a buck and not do what's best for these young athletes.
furmangrad Feb 26, 9:31 a.m.
This behavior by TAC is absolutely shameful. These two teams have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for capital improvements to the facility with the promise of lane space. The CEO claims on television that the teams will not be kicked out, but he is saying otherwise privately. RSA and New Wave are long established contributing members of the Raleigh community. It's really sad they have to deal with this. We'll be watching TAC very carefully. There are US Swimming regulations to protect existing teams that TAC must be mindful of.
LuvLivingInCary Feb 26, 8:30 a.m.
lol. Wachovia/Wells Fargo holds the note on this facility. This thing went belly up a few years ago when the owners investments that back the loan decreased in value. WF must be watching this very closely because they need their notes paid and I'm sure they don't want to report another bad loan to the stockholders. Just go to the TAC's website and look at the board members. Lots of members with the same last name...
The Town of Cary should have bought this facility when it was on the chopping block a few years ago at the fire sale. Shame on the town.
same ole story Feb 26, 8:20 a.m.
What a no-brainer. Make the new swim club get in at 5:00 am to do the practices. They wanted a new league then deal with the only available time open. Just because a new team is formed doesn't mean the other ESTABLISHED TEAMS should be forced to get out of the way. Just another example of unwarranted entitlement for the sake of selfish needs. This country needs a big wake up call!!!!!!!!!
fromRaleigh Feb 26, 8:19 a.m.
Thankful that our kids swim at the Y and don't have to put up with this garbage. All that money that TAC got RSA and WAVE to fork over and now they're essentially giving them the ultimatum to combine or we're giving you the boot. For such a large swim community Raleigh has no pools to speak of, it's a shame considering it's a sport that you can do throughout life.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03