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  • driverkid3 Feb 28, 2013

    Seems that UNC has a lot more to cover up than just the scandal with the athletes. I wonder what REALLY goes on there that no one ever hears about? I also wonder just how much these students get in the way of education with all this other garbage is going on.

  • Cee-Lo Feb 28, 2013

    i feel really sorry for this young lady and how she has been treated if she was really raped...however we see so many times how people are falsely accused of rape and reputations destroyed mostly due to some kind of revenge or for money....if ur raped PLEASE just call the POLICE ASAP

  • cn38of50 Feb 28, 2013

    If you are raped...before you do anything else...call the POLICE. Do not shower or bathe until you have been examined by a doctor and had a rape kit completed. Do not tamper with the scene where the attack occurred. If your attacker was someone you know, do not let him use "I was drunk" or "You led me on" as an excuse. NO means NO. If you fear the individual may retaliate against you for making a report...get a restraining order!

  • StevenNC Feb 26, 2013

    I'm reluctant to believe but would be miffed if it turned out that UNC campus police is referring felony criminal matters to Honor Court for investigation, adjudication and disposition. I'd like to know if that's the case or if Landen did not want to pursue criminal charges or become involved with a formal criminal investigation by law enforcement but was seeking her ex-boyfriend's expulsion from the school under the University's code of student conduct -- which would fall under the Honor Court's purview. Has Landen alleged that she tried to file a criminal report of the rape with law enforcement but was refused and referred her to Honor Court? In other words, was she told it's not a criminal matter and her ex-boyfriend is not subject to criminal prosecution and sentencing, but that he may be expelled under the code of student conduct? Those are outlandish claims that I don't see supported by any evidence reported in the press, but I'm listening.

  • mountainlover Feb 26, 2013

    StevenNC: The fact that UNC chose to have an Honor Court hear cases related to sexual assault bolster this young woman's credibility to me. A system of this nature gives a university a good way to skirt around the requirements of the Clery Act. And I am not just pointing a finger at UNC. All colleges and universities do it. I graduated from UNC and would like to defend her. I am just a more honest person than a politically correct person. This system of handling sexual assaults cannot be defended.

  • StevenNC Feb 26, 2013

    I know very little about this particular case. I know even less about "the many other women who were raped at UNC." Can you be more specific about what other cases you're referring to that you'd like me to comment on or are you in the same boat as me?

  • melmika Feb 26, 2013

    StevenNC

    What about the many other women who were raped at UNC and found no justice?

  • StevenNC Feb 26, 2013

    The Honor Court is entertaining a report that she has engaged in intimidating and abusive behavior that was filed by her ex-boyfriend. She is being asked to respond to those charges. Nobody is saying she's guilty of intimidation and abuse except, that is, her ex-boyfriend. The only way to have avoided where we are now is to have had the Honor Court disregard its charter and procedures and refused to entertain a student's allegations.

    I think everyone and the process would be better served if we don't presume anything and let other people sort it out without the pressure of public outcries and hasty conclusions based on scant if not tautological evidence of the mere allegations.

    I will add this: The fact that the victim (Landen) has characterized the mere fact that the Honor Court is asking her to appear before it and address her ex-boyfriend's allegation as evidence of a conspiracy by the University to denigrate and harass victims of rape causes me to question her credibility.

  • yinyangtkdgirl Feb 26, 2013

    Legal charges cannot be filed through a student run Honor Court. The Honor Court at best can recommend expulsion for the offender, but cannot level criminal charges against him. That would have to be done through law enforcement and the judicial system.

  • carrboroyouth Feb 26, 2013

    The man is scot-free, regardless if her story is true or not.

  • carrboroyouth Feb 26, 2013

    For those doubting her story, understand that she has already attempted to press charges against her attacker and Honor Court denied it.

    She is now being charged for speaking out against the victim-blaming proceedings and the poor treatment she suffered in the court.

    So she is not intimidating her attacker -she has not named him or given away his identity - she is going public with the way the Court is dropping the ball on university rape cases and the Court is now trying to get back at her.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 26, 2013

    I love the way WRAL has tried to protect the "victim's" privacy pasting her picture all over the story. Good job WRAL.
    beachboater

    But when they give the description of a suspect all we get is "wearing jeans and a t-shirt."

  • StevenNC Feb 26, 2013

    This story won't be all that perplexing if you do only one thing: stop assuming that Landen Gambill's allegations of rape were true when she made them last year. The Honor Court may have gotten it wrong, but it ultimately did not sustain her allegation. No police or other investigation has established that her allegations were true and that the ex-boyfriend raped her. You can choose to take Gambill at her word when she says he did -- she may have very well been telling the truth -- but if you find yourself flummoxed by this story, I suggest you'll find some clarity by merely considering the possibility that there was less to her rape charge than she alleged (which may be what the Honor Court concluded in declining to take action against the accused) and more to her ex-boyfriend's report of intimidation and abuse (which the Honor Court is now charged with addressing).

  • Minarchist Feb 26, 2013

    This story has gone nationwide now. It will be interesting to see how UNC handles it now. And by the way, this woman was protesting UNC's treatment of not just her alleged rape, but over 60 other female students who claim to have been raped while on campus.
    Bendal1
    February 26, 2013 12:18 p.m.
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    RAPE is for the police. Percy Moorman 2.0 possibly?

  • yinyangtkdgirl Feb 26, 2013

    justjean - in answer to your question about local law enforcement handling the rape, it would really depend on where the rape occurred. I don't remember if the article stated the location, but if it happened on campus, the campus police are sworn law enforcement officers with the same powers of arrest and crime reporting as the municipal police.

    Whether the crime was reported to Chapel Hill police or campus police, it should have been reported to law enforcement personnel.

  • beachboater Feb 26, 2013

    I love the way WRAL has tried to protect the "victim's" privacy pasting her picture all over the story. Good job WRAL.

  • Save It Feb 26, 2013

    "Until I read or hear on the news that she got the police involved and the guy has been charged with rape, then I will take this rape accusation from her with a grain of salt".

    The accusation is not one to be "investigated" by a council of frat brats untrained in law enforcement. It is a matter to be investigated by law enforcement whom the school should have gotten involved immediately.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 26, 2013

    "Gambill says that when she reported the assault to the university last spring, she was told to go through the Honor Court." - article


    Does the "Honor Court" have the power to throw him in prison if guilty? If not she should have had better sense that to waste her time on them. If you're attacked, call the cops! Crimes should ALWAYS be reported to the police, not silly college groups.

  • Save It Feb 26, 2013

    Girl reports a rape you go to the police. The REAL police and courts. You do not have your own public justice system there in the form of your "honor court" which is probably a bunch of pretentious, whining, not yet experienced or educated frat brats who feel privileged and entitled by the power given to them over their peers by the institution. Pathetic and shameful.

  • cocker_mom Feb 26, 2013

    I am NOT saying anything about the accused rapist. He may not have done anything wrong.

    I think that what most people are saying is that the PROCESS by which the alleged victim was told to pursue is flawed. The Honor Court is simply not the right forum for a felony assault. They are not professionals, they are students. And I don't care if they have advisers- these advisers are not law enforcement.

    Clearly, this process is not equipped to deal with serious crimes.

    And it appears she's questioning THE PROCESS - which actually makes this "honor code violation" even worse.

  • brassy Feb 26, 2013

    Shame on UNC.

  • barbstillkickin Feb 26, 2013

    This is the worse thing I have ever heard of. This girl was the victim but this Unniversity is making her the bad one here. This boy and I do mean boy because he is far from a man has been allowed to charge her with making him look bad but yet no one took any action against him when he mistreated this girl. I hope this unniversity gets its act together before the attendence become only athletes because thye get a easy ride there. Honey if I was you I would transfer to another college. UNC shows no repect for their students and to let other students inforce the law is stupid. It is like letting kids decide on punishment.

  • Bendal1 Feb 26, 2013

    This story has gone nationwide now. It will be interesting to see how UNC handles it now. And by the way, this woman was protesting UNC's treatment of not just her alleged rape, but over 60 other female students who claim to have been raped while on campus.

  • ndadszucs Feb 26, 2013

    "I will reserve myself to not crucifying this guy just on her word alone. That's been done before and it destroyed careers and innocent boys education from the fallout of being falsely accused and condemned without a trial first." -RandomCitizen

    What guy? She has refused to name him, there is no one to crucify. Instead you feel it ok to doubt her because there is an identity you can see. And, I suppose, since Mangum lied, she must be too?

  • boolittlek Feb 26, 2013

    At the very least, UNC needs to review its policies and procedures regarding sexual assault. The administration denied protestors' charge that it was under-reporting assaults, but if there's even an appearance of a problem, it needs to be addressed. There's always room for improvement.

    That being said, I agree with Dark_Horse. There are way too few facts in this case for me to pass judgment. Any Honor Court proceedings should have been secondary to a police investigation. I'm a woman, and I do tend to side with most women's claims regarding sexual assault. But as the Duke lacrosse case showed us recently, there's more than one side to a story. Whatever happened here, I feel sad. I hope both justice and healing will eventually win out.

  • RandomCitizen Feb 26, 2013

    Until I read or hear on the news that she got the police involved and the guy has been charged with rape, then I will take this rape accusation from her with a grain of salt. How quick people on this forum, and in the media, condemn without there being any actual evidence. How soon you forget the Duke lacrosse situation. The media would not listen to those boys when they claimed their innocence but rather believed the girl. Just because somebody cries wolf does not always mean there is a wolf. I will agree that she was given bad advice about going through the honor court. She should have been told to report it to the police. I didn't read in this article that she; or the other three girls did? Until that happens,and he's found guilty of the rape, I will reserve myself to not crucifying this guy just on her word alone. That's been done before and it destroyed careers and innocent boys education from the fallout of being falsely accused and condemned without a trial first.

  • Thought Criminal WS Feb 26, 2013

    This is what happens when you oppose a liberal democratic organization. They ignore justice and make you into the criminal.

    Learn and vote accordingly.

  • justjean Feb 26, 2013

    This may be a stupid question, but why aren't the local police involved in this? Isn't rape a felony crime?? Seems to me the Honor Council has been mis-named. Perhaps a change to the No Honor Council is needed.

  • nialet Feb 26, 2013

    I hope UNC administrators, officials and people involved (as they are also human beings) will find in their heart to help this student in this situation. Be Love!

  • raleighdurham Feb 26, 2013

    UNC ought to be ashamed of themselves! victim blaming and intimidation...so sad.

  • Huey Feb 26, 2013

    Rape charges should go to the police, not the honor council. This seems like common sense to me like a charge of murder. The University has a record, like most big institutions, of wanting to sweep problems under the run and carry on like all is aok. I praise this brave young lady.

  • 75Tarheel Feb 26, 2013

    Looks like UNC is trying to show people what happens when they rock the flagship. TruthbeKnownreturned.

    Typical statement by you. EVERY College/University in the nation doctors their crime reports. NO parent wants to send the kids off to an unsafe campus. (Dream world) Every campus has some crime not just the high profile mass killings.

    And many of you people actually need to READ the whole story and not just the headline. Get some facts before you comment. It makes you look-well-less than smart.

    She got bad advice from everyone when she needed it most. ALL you ladies got straight to the Police. If any Campus officer doesn't take your statement, take you to the ER for an examine and assign you a Criminal Investigator you're being taken down the wrong path. Contact the nearest City or County Law Enforcement Agency and file the complaint again. Or go straight to the ER and file the complaint. The Hosptial is bound bylaw to report it to the law enforcement agency.

  • Scubagirl Feb 26, 2013

    THIS IS ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!! I watched this last night and am still amazed that THIS is how she is being treated, ESPECIALLY since the guy's name was NEVER mentioned!

  • North Carolina Cutie Feb 26, 2013

    What is the police for it's a shame how the university can hide behind a name one thing people always forget is the one true man that's seeing everything we do GOD. The covers will come off.

  • downtowner Feb 26, 2013

    Wow, some of you posters who are blaming the victim and claim "there is more to this case" could not be more naive to systemic corruption. It's frustrating to watch. That's all I can say.

  • wufwuf1 Feb 26, 2013

    She followed the reporting rules she was told to follow. We learned in the academic cases that UNC destroys the evidence at the end of a case if the person is found not guilty... is that true here also?

  • Dark_Horse Feb 26, 2013

    There are way too many facts left out of this story for anyone to choose sides or make an informed opinion...But that hasnt stopped many of us before has it?

  • welfarequeen Feb 26, 2013

    We'll see how they enjoy real-life courts of law when they get their posteriors (rightfully) sued into oblivion over this. mikeh

    jump the gun much?

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 26, 2013

    Looks like UNC is trying to show people what happens when they rock the flagship"

    And looks like you chiming in, as usual, with half the facts.

    To be expected from you.
    FourAutumn

    So you think this women shouldnt speak out about what happened to her? In a case like this all rules go out the window, she should tell her story to whoever will listen. The fact that she is being punished for telling what happened is ridiculous.

  • kikinc Feb 26, 2013

    Some of the comments here make me sick. Do you have any idea how many rapes go unreported because of how many people try to blame the victim?!?! Some of the comments here are the reason some rape victims choose not to come forward. I hope none of you, or your daughters, get raped b/c it's something you never forget.

  • Bill of Rights Feb 26, 2013

    From UNC's website: "... a tradition of self-governance in matters of student discipline." Sounds more like a tradition of hushing people who speak out. Does anyone else see anything wrong with this quasi-judiciary having the power to suspend and expel students?

    We'll see how they enjoy real-life courts of law when they get their posteriors (rightfully) sued into oblivion over this.

  • busyb97 Feb 26, 2013

    I'm baffled that she didn't report this to police, versus the school. But even worse, the SCHOOL should have reported it or told her to report to the police, not a "Honor Court". Seriously??

    As a parent, things like that would make me steer my kids away from a school with that kind of reaction to a major crime - or even alleged crime.

    Is the victim wealthy or something and they didn't want to lose his money? Trying to save THEIR reputation?

  • godshelper Feb 26, 2013

    This should be handled by Law Enforcement not by students. This entire investigation should have been done by University Campus Police or Chapel Hill Police and a joint task force with the District Attorney's Office in Orange County for the protection of the victims rights and the protection of the case not by a student attorney general...That sounds like a teen court....please. Send this case to real Law Enforcement and real Attorneys.

  • FourAutumn Feb 26, 2013

    "Looks like UNC is trying to show people what happens when they rock the flagship"

    And looks like you chiming in, as usual, with half the facts.

    To be expected from you.

  • shakenbake68 Feb 26, 2013

    It seem there is a lot of confusion about this entire situation. Was he found not guilty by law enforcement?

  • Minarchist Feb 26, 2013

    Honor and UNC-CH is an oxymoron
    masontom56
    February 26, 2013 8:15 a.m.
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    LOL I know! Its like conservative and Mitt Romney.

  • FourAutumn Feb 26, 2013

    "And they say republicans have a war on women? The Peoples Republic of Chapel Hill are trying to silence this woman for shining a light on the problem"

    As usual, the lack of intellect from the right is alarming.

  • Minarchist Feb 26, 2013

    This is so unbelievable to me. Shame on UNC.....gives me more reason NOT to like them. It takes courage to speak up as a rape victim and boo hoo to the ex boyfriend who felt intimidated by her comments. REALLY?? He doesn't even know how intimidated and scared she was and most likely still is and will be for a long while. He stole so much from her.......UNC better re evaluate this situation and publicly apologize to her!! I support her 100%
    Irregardless
    February 26, 2013 8:30 a.m.
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    Were you there?

  • atheistswillrule Feb 26, 2013

    He stole so much from her.......UNC better re evaluate this situation and publicly apologize to her!! irregardless

    Yawn.The gentleman was never even charged with a crime. Some gals with Borderline Personality Disorder DO lie you know?

  • nobio Feb 26, 2013

    UNC is wrong. Honor Court using double standards. When UNC calls for donations, just say no and say why. '70 & 7 other UNC family members
    Dr Bill

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