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dbeasle Feb 26, 12:43 p.m.
Read the laws so that you are aware of what you can and cannot do. It is a shame that people are arming themselves with handguns and obtaining concealed carry permits so that they have protection legally. Before long it will take a year to obtain a concealed carry permit due to so many applying for them. This man was justified in his actions - he just made some statements on the 911 call he should not have made.
Lightfoot3 Feb 26, 10:16 a.m.
"Had I been on Mr. McNeil's jury, a mistrial would have been declared because I would have hung that jury up." - mountainlover
Me too! Either that, or talk some sense into them.
soyousay Feb 25, 6:36 p.m.
He played the race card too late.....
really. Not really surprising that some would get around to such an inane and insipid comment. Did you even read what happened. By the way, as someone noted, boxcutters slit the throats and butchered crew and passangers prior to taking over the planes in 9/11 but why confuse you
mountainlover Feb 25, 5:18 p.m.
jjlbur: I would say that deadly force IS necessary if someone is coming toward you with a box cutter and gets close enough that he touches the clothing of the person who fired a weapon when he fell. Let me put it this way: Had I been on Mr. McNeil's jury, a mistrial would have been declared because I would have hung that jury up.
Some of these states that you mention have ridiculous laws that favor the criminal. For example, in NC, if there are two doors in your home and you encounter an intruder you must go out another door if you can. Why? So you can get shot in the back after you recognize him? If I should retire in your state, my home will have ONE door.
jjlbur Feb 25, 5:01 p.m.
Some states, like Texas, have a more open interpretation to justifiable deadly force. Texas law states, “A person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force.” Though every state details either “imminent” or “immediate” death or serious bodily injury, some states require you to provide more reasons other than just an imminent danger to your life or body. California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Idaho, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Rhode Island all state that you cannot use more force than necessary. Meaning if you could have defended yourself any other way than deadly force would not be justified.
Minarchist Feb 25, 4:25 p.m.
Dont think a box cutter is dangerous enough to have to use a gun and kill the man. He used excessive force.
February 25, 2013 3:29 p.m.
So what happened on 9/11?
mountainlover Feb 25, 3:57 p.m.
superman: You better think again. When Mr. McNeil fired the second shot Mr. Epp was close enough to him that he brushed up against him when he fell. Perhaps you would feel comfortable with a box cutter held that close to you; however, I think that the rest of us believe that a box cutter that close constitutes a lethal weapon.
superman Feb 25, 3:29 p.m.
He played the race card too late. After all he did kill the guy. Dont think a box cutter is dangerous enough to have to use a gun and kill the man. He used excessive force.
SingleLensReflex.SLR Feb 25, 2:25 p.m.
shocking story. Soooo sorry it happened. May everlasting peace comfort all who are involved.
dollibug Feb 25, 12:46 p.m.
****justice system only protects the guilty
OMG****yep, I would indeed agree 100%.
dollibug Feb 25, 12:45 p.m.
Our Judicial System is a JOKE*****I think we all know how much TRUTH has been revealed to PROVE THIS. No one can count on the JUDICIAL SYSTEM to do what is *FAIR AND JUST*....just recently a judge granted a man a 50B on my daughter. The 2 parties knew each other in high school - never had any sort of *relationship*....this ex law enforcement officer has been FIRED several times but he knows just how to *work the system*....last summer he brought charges against her and she hired an attorney, went to court twice and the charges were dismissed. AND NOW HE IS AT IT AGAIN....GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY....as there is *CORRUPTION AND COVER UP WIDESPREAD*. Too many GULLIBLE people in positions that they are not trained to be in.
mountainlover Feb 25, 11:56 a.m.
I feel very sorry for this man. I am not surprised by the verdict. After all, the decision was rendered in Cobb County, Georgia, and the man he killed was a homebuilder. The outcome could have been predicted ahead of time.
Cee-Lo Feb 25, 11:55 a.m.
i really hate the fact that his wife died while he was in jail (if his story is accurate)
Paul M Feb 25, 11:25 a.m.
""BUT LAW IN NC SAYS IF HE HAS A KNIFE, YOU CANT US A GUN." - jjlbur"
Fearing for your life it you can go one step above if I'm not mistakin
Paul M Feb 25, 11:23 a.m.
justice system only protects the guilty
dontstopnow Feb 25, 11:07 a.m.
Guess this sure proves, Don't bring a knife (box cutter in this case) to a gun fight. If the other guy had been armed with a gun, this story might be a told by someone else and it might be a lot different, however, we will never know.
bigchriswebb Feb 25, 11:04 a.m.
yes you can use a gun if you life is in any way put in danger to defend yourself!! but there is no justice system at the same time!!!! which it could go for you or against you, it is up to the courts which are not what they are designed to do!!!!!
Lightfoot3 Feb 25, 10:37 a.m.
"BUT LAW IN NC SAYS IF HE HAS A KNIFE, YOU CANT US A GUN." - jjlbur
Are you sure? You can't use a gun to save yourself if someone is trying to kill you with a knife? That doesn't sound right.
wildpig777 Feb 25, 10:36 a.m.
the legal system is only concerned with protecting it's image. the citizens should demand more accountability from judges and lawyers-- you know those people who have made a debacle out of the justice system.
Its the who what Feb 25, 10:17 a.m.
Where were the NRA and their supporters?? They lobby and get involved with politics. Why did no one from the NRA stand up for this man? Where were the picket lines? They should have had this man on the cover of their newsletter!!!! They should have joined the fight for justice for this responsible gun owner. Any card carrying member of the NRA would have done the same thing that this man did!! There is not even a comment from a NRA person on this article!!! Shame on you NRA!!
readme Feb 25, 10:16 a.m.
I'd be curious to see more detail of why the jury convicted him when it seems clearly self defense. If the most relevant details are what lightfoot posted below, then wow... this guys really got a raw deal.
jjlbur Feb 25, 9:49 a.m.
IN YOUR HOUSE IS ONE THING, ON YOUR PROPERTY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, I WOULD HAVE DONE SAME THING, BUT LAW IN NC SAYS IF HE HAS A KNIFE, YOU CANT US A GUN. OTHER THAN INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. I DONT THINK A JURY WOULD CONVICT WITH THE STORY IM HEARING....
aafmimi Feb 25, 9:44 a.m.
When you are being attacked, you DO NOT want your attacker to be able to get up to come at you again.....use hollowpoints in your defence weapons!!
aafmimi Feb 25, 9:34 a.m.
We are not FREE if we are afraid to protect ourselves, loved ones, friends or neighborhoods. It is really screwed up when criminals have more rights than we do. Wake up American, things are going very wrong!
Bartmeister Feb 25, 8:40 a.m.
That's messed up.
Lightfoot3 Feb 25, 8:09 a.m.
Going before a jury is terrifying. Those of you that carry, think about this ... One of the stated reasons the jury convicted him was because his ammunition was hollowpoints. They "reasoned" that hollowpoints are used by people looking to murder someone. McNeil also said in the 911 call that he was going to kick Epp's tail for being on his property and threatening his son. Understandable in the heat of the moment, but the ignorant jury focused on that. I also highly question the integrity of the DA. I'm wonder if there was some secret political pressure.
"sounds like his attorney was incompetent." - ProzacDispenser
LuvLivingInCary Feb 25, 8:03 a.m.
what a mess. sounds like his attorney was incompetent.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03