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  • whiffer1 Feb 22, 6:00 p.m.

    Over 70% of children are born to unwed mothers in the African American community. That's the problem plain and simple. It's hard enough to raise a child with a full complement of parents and family support. These young men have no male role models in their life to dicipline them and teach them how to be responsible.

  • WageSlave Feb 22, 1:20 p.m.

    Instead of blaming guns and upbringing why not blame what really influences young gang members and most gun deaths. Most shootings can be related to narcotics (even more so in Henderson it's nothing but a modern day sodom and Gomorrah). Blame the rappers who flash stacks of money,guns and cars on their videos and rap about selling narcotics
    fixamerica

    Hey I agree. I all for drug legalization and regulation too.

  • fixamerica Feb 22, 12:20 p.m.

    Well said beloved sparrow. I wish people would stop blaming everything else and accept the fact that there is evil people in this world that commit crimes. Everyone wants to blame everything else except the person who committed the crime. Those who say he did not have a father figure growing up. So what, plenty of people come from divorced homes and still live prosperous lives. People are given the same chance at life growing up. They have schools paid for, meals paid for, live off government so everyone else is paid for. Tell ,me why they can't be normal, obey the law, and not commit crimes. People make their own choices in life. Instead of blaming guns and upbringing why not blame what really influences young gang members and most gun deaths. Most shootings can be related to narcotics (even more so in Henderson it's nothing but a modern day sodom and Gomorrah). Blame the rappers who flash stacks of money,guns and cars on their videos and rap about selling narcotics

  • junkmail5 Feb 22, 12:04 p.m.

    I DON'T think it's right that the government TAKE my money to help people who just sit on their behinds with their hands out expecting everything be given to them!!!
    Lady Marksman

    the government gives very little to the folks you describe.

    Most government "hand out" money goes to the working poor, the disabled, and the elderly.

    More than 90% of it in fact.

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

    The notion there's any huge number of able-bodied adults who do no work and live entirely off government handouts is simply a fiction.

  • Lady Marksman Feb 22, 11:27 a.m.

    junkmail5 -

    If I had more money in my pocket I would help support my local "poor" people - IF they were trying to better themselves and trying to get back on their feet!

    I DON'T think it's right that the government TAKE my money to help people who just sit on their behinds with their hands out expecting everything be given to them!!!

  • nghtstarz2 Feb 22, 11:22 a.m.

    phattcatt28 please accept my condolences on the loss of your family member. I worked at the hospital there for several years and can tell you there are many people who care about the people. It is difficult to help when no one will talk...no one will tell the police what they need to know. Many of the "friends" of the victims are obstructive and, most likely, afraid for their own lives. Only when the communities come together to end the violence, black and white, will you see an end. Quite honestly, it is difficult to care every day of your career, your life, even if your job is to help others, when those around you try to abuse you, obstruct your efforts to help, and even physically hurt you for your attempts. No one considers that when those officers leave, they may think that could have been their child, their 17 year old son. This child's poor mother is missing her son. And maybe the mother of the one who shot him will mourn and feel shame for his actions. All victims.

  • belovedsparrow Feb 22, 11:09 a.m.

    I agree phattcatt. I've lived near Henderson most of my life. 10 years ago this kind of thing was a rare event. But now murder, rape, and all kinds of violence are becoming commonplace. Its getting to where there is no where safe anymore.

  • junkmail5 Feb 22, 10:56 a.m.

    The problem is that the welfare state breeds criminals. Liberals have created this underclass- 4Strikes

    yes, before modern welfare programs there were NO criminals or poor people, it was totally awesome!

    No, wait... that can't be right... since according to the far-right the welfare state has grown massively in recent decades, but crime has been steadily going DOWN that whole time!

    It's almost like reality doesn't match their story!

  • Lady Marksman Feb 22, 10:56 a.m.

    "Arm yourselves and prepare to ride out a very bad storm that is coming criminals and gangs who want to steal, rape and murder."

    Excuse me, but where have you been living for the last 20 years? What do you mean "coming"? There have been criminals and gangs doing that in the US since the 1930's and "urban" gangs have been growing since the 1970's. Most of them are busy fighting each other so what makes you think they're going to organize this big army? The storm's been going for awhile. You just woke up in the middle of it. Relic

    These criminals/gangs aren't killing and stealing from just eachother anymore. They are preying on anyone who isn't prepared to defend themselves - women, children and elderly.

    When the EBT card has $0 and the unemployment checks stop coming, where do you think they are going to get what they need to survive? They are going to come and take it from you! Hence my warning to arm yourselves and be prepared to defend your life and property.

  • NotUrTypicalAmerican Feb 22, 10:50 a.m.

    Very well said, phattcatt28. My condolences to your family. As you can see way too many people live in glass houses here on WRAL.

  • phattcatt28 Feb 22, 10:27 a.m.

    I live in Henderson NC...born and raised...as a matter a fact the young man who was killed is one of my family members...to be really honest with you...the Henderson Police/Sheriff department can do a lot more than they are doing...they focuse on traffic situations more than they do on murders...I had a cousin who was murdered a few years ago and information on the killers were given...and nothing was done about...all of a sudden all of the evidence disappered into thin air...my heart aches for my city but b4 you say...GLAD THAT I DON'T LIVE THERE...just remember it could happen to your city also...don't be to comfortable with the idea of nothing like this could happen where you live...us Henderson citizens thought that way some 10 years ago also

  • SFSOLDIER Feb 22, 10:07 a.m.

    This is the reason everyone is trying to take my weapons away from me. These violent people need to be dealt with in a harsh manner. That is slow down the crime. Our legal system is broken and has been broken for years. We just keep letting them out to do more harm to honest people.

  • belovedsparrow Feb 22, 9:40 a.m.

    That whole blame it on the "no daddy" mentality is stupid. People are responsible for their own actions. I didnt grow up with a father either. It's just insulting to assume that people should be lumped into groups like that.
    People need to be taught real consequence. If every time a murder happened like that the murder was actually punished (and our prison systems providing them with education, tv, computers, air conditioning, etc.) is just a joke.
    Stick convicts into a tiny cell and feed them bread and water and leave them there... maybe a little suffering for their actions might happen. Other's would think twice about doing these crimes.

  • Relic Feb 22, 9:39 a.m.

    "Arm yourselves and prepare to ride out a very bad storm that is coming criminals and gangs who want to steal, rape and murder."

    Excuse me, but where have you been living for the last 20 years? What do you mean "coming"? There have been criminals and gangs doing that in the US since the 1930's and "urban" gangs have been growing since the 1970's. Most of them are busy fighting each other so what makes you think they're going to organize this big army? The storm's been going for awhile. You just woke up in the middle of it.

  • Relic Feb 22, 9:36 a.m.

    "How is this voluntary manslaughter ? Why not 1st degree murder ?"

    Because maybe there's information that can only be released in court that can't be released now about the circumstances? I would assume the DA's office reviewed the investigation and found that the crime did not fit the law's requirements for a higher charge.

  • ICTrue Feb 22, 9:20 a.m.

    "Why are these young men carrying guns?

    Why are they shooting one another?

    Why do some feel a need to carry a weapon to defend themselves?

    President Obama touched on the topic when he spoke of the effects of his missing father. Let's look at the more difficult to legislate problem of social issues." djofraleigh

    Young men have carried guns since America was founded. The problem is that the welfare state breeds criminals. Liberals have created this underclass that they continue to foster and expand. The more people dependant on government, the better, because that means more power for the liberal elites. Meanwhile, society continues to degenerate.

  • Lady Marksman Feb 22, 8:52 a.m.

    It is spreading like wildfire! All of you who are saying things like "I'm glad I don't live there" are in for quite a shock when it does come to your neighborhoods - and it will!

    The economy is bad and getting worse. There is no real "punishment" for these horrendous crimes (jail is not a punishment!). There are more babies being born in homes with no daddy/role model to teach them the proper way to behave in a civilized manner. And finally, God is not relevant in homes or schools anymore. He has been "kicked out"!

    Arm yourselves and prepare to ride out a very bad storm that is coming criminals and gangs who want to steal, rape and murder.

  • TB Feb 22, 8:45 a.m.

    dukefan245 said: You folks crack me up about the National Guard coming in. There is a lot more/worse crimes going on in other cities and the NG will never help.

    DukeFan245, you need to do some research, and never use never. In my lifetime, the National Guard has already been to Henderson/Vance County many times to aid in situations like this. My first recollection was back in the early 1950's when the Harriet-Henderson Cotton Mill went on strike. During the late 1960's when Henderson City Schools were integrating, the National Guard were posted in the hallways. I know because I was in school and saw them at the time. The National Guard has been called to Vance County/Henderson during several murder trials as well as during Civil Rights marches. Along with the NG being here, the city has been under curfew many times, and people were not allowed to leave their homes after a certain time

    Yes, Vance County/Henderson needs the National Guard to come in and help defuse this situation

  • nckidd29 Feb 22, 8:33 a.m.

    How is this voluntary manslaughter ? Why not 1st degree murder ? If you are dumb enough to shoot someone standing on the street,It should be 1st degree no questions ask ! And have the sentencing hearing within a day or so and get it over with and out of the system..

  • Minarchist Feb 22, 8:16 a.m.

    I say let the NG come in and start at one end of the county and go door to door with unimpeded searches of all residences and see just how many illegal guns, drugs and fugitives they do get off the streets.
    fed up in vance
    February 21, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    Try more coffee. This is America.

  • WageSlave Feb 22, 8:10 a.m.

    President Obama touched on the topic when he spoke of the effects of his missing father. Let's look at the more difficult to legislate problem of social issues.
    djofraleigh

    I agree with you to a degree. I lost my father when I was 10. Luckily for me I had remaining family heavily rooted in farming, which gave me plenty of honest, solid hard working male role models.

    I generally do not agree with government intervention, especially in social matters. However, something has to be done at the family and community level to give these lost young males a solid influence.

    The lack of humanity in soceity today really leaves a lot of youth in a rough place to start.

  • djofraleigh Feb 21, 7:47 p.m.

    The problem is guns. right?

    Focus too, on other things:

    Why are these young men carrying guns?

    Why are they shooting one another?

    Why do some feel a need to carry a weapon to defend themselves?

    President Obama touched on the topic when he spoke of the effects of his missing father. Let's look at the more difficult to legislate problem of social issues.

  • dukefan245 Feb 21, 7:14 p.m.

    You folks crack me up about the National Guard coming in. There is a lot more/worse crimes going on in other cities and the NG will never help. It's up to the city leaders to do their jobs. Following your family around is a little extreme, stay out of the bad parts, do most your errands during the day, go straight from work to home if traveling at night, and ALWAYS carry your gun with a permit or not. Pretty simple.

  • dukefan245 Feb 21, 6:58 p.m.

    Henderson NC = the NEW Newark NJ. Murders, Rapes, and Robbery on the daily. SMH... Good thing I live no where near there!

  • fed up in vance Feb 21, 6:57 p.m.

    3 murders in less than a week. 4 kidnappings/assaults/rapes in less than a month. deanfirtick you are absolutely right. The National Guard does need to be called in to Vance Co. and a state of martial law needs to be declared. It has gotten so bad around here that I escort my wife and my oldest daughter to and from work and wont let either one go anywhere without me and when we do go out both my wife and I are carrying. She carries her concealed and I carry mine strapped low and visible. Was talking to a friend of mine that works closely with the sheriff's department and this week there has been an extremely high number of females going to the sheriff's office for gun permits. I say let the NG come in and start at one end of the county and go door to door with unimpeded searches of all residences and see just how many illegal guns, drugs and fugitives they do get off the streets.

  • theendoftheroad Feb 21, 6:14 p.m.

    Low tax base in Henderson means 2 things... not alot of police officers, and rookies who are putting in their 3 years so they can go somewhere else... not a good combo.. Henderson is really bad...

  • Outlaw Josey Wales Feb 21, 6:13 p.m.

    It's going to get worse for us residents of Henderson.

  • deanfirtick Feb 21, 5:41 p.m.

    Yes, Henderson does need help bad! I was just saying to my mother today that we need the National Guard here. (That was before we heard of this latest murder). I think the Police are too scared of all the gangs themselves. That is why it is like it is, and will continue to get worse day by day.

  • WV-NC Feb 21, 5:33 p.m.

    I want to move so bad, but you just can't sell your home living here.

  • Southern Girl Feb 21, 5:15 p.m.

    Seems like something happens in Henderson every single day. Only 17 years old. So sad.

  • oftenbad2 Feb 21, 5:10 p.m.

    WOW....Henderson needs help...BAD!!!

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