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  • junkmail5 Feb 22, 1:45 p.m.

    If they're 31 years old they have had plenty of time to apply for legal status- aspenstreet1717

    No they didn't actually.

    If you are here illegally you can NOT apply to be here legally until you have left the country for 10 years.

    So they'd have to have packed up at 18, moved back to a nation they know nothing about, don't know anyone in, and possibly don't even speak the language of.

    Then spend 10 years there.

    And first THEN be able to apply to go back to the only home they had ever known, with no guarantee they'd get back in.

    That's insane to suggest that's a reasonable option for anybody.

  • dontstopnow Feb 22, 12:40 p.m.

    ILLEGAL!!!!! What the heck about that is misunderstood here??? everything obviously.

  • aspenstreet1717 Feb 22, 12:35 p.m.

    If they're 31 years old they have had plenty of time to apply for legal status. They chose not to. Waiting for an amnesty. adios.

  • junkmail5 Feb 22, 10:32 a.m.

    Some of these "children" are 31 years old. Yes, I do think they've had a choice at this point.- Morrigan

    What choice, exactly?

    You wanted them, when they turned 18, to self-deport themselves to a country they have no memory of, know nobody in, and might not even speak the language of?

    that's not really choice. Not a sane one anyway.

  • wa4mjf Feb 22, 8:01 a.m.

    The N&O web site and below the fold on the print paper has a pix of the vertical license for those who think that they will look like citizens' DLs. There were some folks yesterday that did not believe Tata apparently.

  • Terkel Feb 21, 8:37 p.m.

    "But, do you think these children had a choice in the matter of becoming illegal immigrants?"

    Some of these "children" are 31 years old. Yes, I do think they've had a choice at this point.

    Which reminds me. What does 0bama have planned for the infant-to-14 age range that he's not telling us till he's ready to force it? Surely he doesn't plan to split families? That's what I thought, everybody gets to stay after all.

  • rosannedisney Feb 21, 6:08 p.m.

    Well stated, kbrianf.

    For myself, I have no issue with thoughtful arguments but the tone of hatred spewed by so many is disheartening.

  • wa4mjf Feb 21, 5:39 p.m.

    admyank,they have work permits and docs that their deportation has been suspended for 2 years from INS or a successor agency.

  • admyank Feb 21, 5:31 p.m.

    "These licenses will be vertical, not horizontal, and clearly state that the holder is an illegal alien and that they convey nothing but driving privileges."

    You seem to miss one very important thing. A drivers license, when conveyed to another state that does not have that restriction - will be convered to a regular drivers license.

    What does a drivers license convey? It conveys that they have shown evidence that they are a Citizen. Here is the list of documents required:

    1. Proof of Age and Identity.
    2. Proof of Social Security.
    3. Proof of Residency.
    4. Proof of Liability Insurance.

    #1-4 are often forged instruments, that being said on #3:

    If you are a U.S. citizen and a first-time customer in North Carolina, you must show proof of your residence address in this state.

    If you are not a U.S. citizen, you must provide documentation issued by the U.S. government indicating legal presence.

    Now, I don't know about you, but the law would give them the same rights as a legal.

  • wa4mjf Feb 21, 5:27 p.m.

    not under current law set to go into effect on march 25. illegals would get a license that looked just like anybody else's. the proposed law discussed in this article delays the enactment of that law by two months so that time would be allowed to consider various alternatives, including the vertical license alternative that you mentioned.
    Click to view my profile golorealist

    Tata said that is what they would be like and that is why not issued right away, so that the changes could be made. Also, why he revoked the 13 already out. Are u saying he isn't telling the truth?

  • golorealist Feb 21, 5:16 p.m.

    "These licenses will be vertical, not horizontal, and clearly state that the holder is an illegal alien and that they convey nothing but driving privileges." - wa4mjf

    not under current law set to go into effect on march 25. illegals would get a license that looked just like anybody else's. the proposed law discussed in this article delays the enactment of that law by two months so that time would be allowed to consider various alternatives, including the vertical license alternative that you mentioned.

  • wa4mjf Feb 21, 5:10 p.m.

    "Some posters here seem to think that a DL gives some great citizenship privileges, it only allows them to drive. I would make LEOs' job easier, just cite for citeable violations instead of hauling to a magistrate." - wa4mjf

    -----------------------

    A Driver's License/State Issued ID is a great deal more than just permission to drive!!!
    affirmativediversity

    These licenses will be vertical, not horizontal, and clearly state that the holder is an illegal alien and that they convey nothing but driving privileges.

  • shaun2xlife Feb 21, 4:25 p.m.

    This penney ante social isssue because he has no idead how to create jobs just dependency.Crumps Br0ther

    Oh you mean like gay marriage, possums & breast huh those are great job creators there. And kill the estate tax as well, and decline medicaid expansion even though the cost will prove to save in the long term. Ever heard of the phrase sleeping giant, be careful trying to run over the people cause sooner or later they will wake up.

  • zeb Feb 21, 4:16 p.m.

    Amen kbrianf I agree wholeheartedly with that and I am a white male too.

    Let them drive legally and contribute positively to our society!

  • kbrianf Feb 21, 4:06 p.m.

    If anyone thinks that those opposed to illegal immigration are far more welcoming to legal Hispanic immigrants, I suspect that you are terribly mistaken. Though they argue vehemently that this is about legal vs. illegal, citizens vs. non-citizen, and rights vs. the lack thereof, the sad truth is that there is a dislike for Hispanics, or for anyone, really, that isn't majority. I've seen that dislike too many times and have heard waaaay too many derogatory comments about Hispanics that were, in fact, legal citizens. What is truly going on here is a deep, deep fear among majority populations - to which I belong - of one day losing that majority status. As a white male who has spent his life among the majority, I will admit that that is a sobering realization. But I cannot in my heart of hearts let my selfishness trump my humanity. We need immigration reform, yes, but we need to maintain our compassion and humanity above all else as we go about it.

    Give them a driver's license.

  • zeb Feb 21, 4:04 p.m.

    Licenses create trackability, accountability, law-abidingness (as opposed to drivign illegally) and they improve the economy in that cars will be bought and insurance and tires and oil changes. I mean they are working. How should they get to work? Would you rather leave them unemployed and idle? Really people, think about it.

  • workerbee Feb 21, 4:01 p.m.

    This is a hate issue for me....but not against a race at all. It's hate against people who have absolutely no right to take advantage of a system and it's people that are trying to take care of their own.

  • zeb Feb 21, 3:59 p.m.

    What a bunch of bigots.

    In 10 years it won't be an issue any way since the immigrant populations will sway any votes that come up.

    Remember were all immigrants here a couple hundred years ago so we are not more special than others trying to simply better themselves.

  • Chemist18 Feb 21, 3:57 p.m.

    Are there not venues these illegals can take to correct their status legally?
    djhartm

    That depends on which country you are from. People from some countries just plain aren't allowed to "legally" enter the US.

  • PanthersFan45 Feb 21, 3:56 p.m.

    "It's currently a valid government program. States don't get to ignore that in hopes some day it'll change." - junkmail5

    let's go ahead and clear the air about a critical component of the daca program. under this program, state's can legally continue to establish laws regarding eligibility for certain state benefits. one of those benefits are drivers licenses. north carolina is operating perfectly within the law if we decide to deny drivers licenses. - golorealist

    Thank you for clarifying that, Obama's Executive order has NOTHING to do with states granting drivers licenses.

  • ncouterbanks69 Feb 21, 3:55 p.m.

    Hate, Hate, and more Hate! I certainly hope people are getting what they paid for.

    We are not that is the problem.

  • ncouterbanks69 Feb 21, 3:53 p.m.

    So by your standards a German student in the US on a education Visa should not be able to get a license to drive? Odd they let me get one in Europe.

    Or how about co-workers who live here from Europe on an work Visa for a company such as Caterpillar? Now how about India? Or China?

    Go ahead and admit your problem is with Hispanics. That is not an immigration issue. It's a racism and bigotry issue.

    I assume you were there legally then huh? Shocker....you didn't get the point. Anyone here illegally should not get one. But you can keep making exucses of why people think the correct way, maybe one day you will as well. There's hope yet.

  • Chemist18 Feb 21, 3:53 p.m.

    Mitch, they are talking about people that were brought here illegally as "children".

    Hate, Hate, and more Hate! I certainly hope people are getting what they paid for.

  • junkmail5 Feb 21, 3:52 p.m.

    If they were "aspiring citizens" they would not be here illegally
    Mitch

    Again- did you miss that these are people brought here as children?

    they didn't wake up at age 2 and go "I'm a gonna break me some laws today!" and sneak into the country of their own initiative.

    these are kids who grew up here. Deporting them would be sending them to a country they've never known and don't know anyone in, and in some cases don't even speak the language.

    il·le·gal/ɪˈligəl/ Show Spelled [ih-lee-guhl] Show IPA adjective 1. forbidden by law or statute. 2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
    4Strike

    Not really, since the DACA program is _legal_ and nobody is challenging that in court.

    and it allows these people to _legally_ work here.

    Why don't you look up the definition of "legal" now?

  • ncouterbanks69 Feb 21, 3:50 p.m.

    May... I was hit a couple of months ago by a lady with no insurance... but am 120% for these people geting license, jobs, rights, taxed, amnesty and anything else we as citizens are entitled to

    Some people never learn.

  • junkmail5 Feb 21, 3:49 p.m.

    Yes there is...they are citizens of another sovereign nation who have displayed NO inclination to respect some very basic laws of ours- affirmativediversity

    You mean besides having spent almost their entire life here, and applied to work here legally, and not violated any other law of any kind?

    North Carolina should be under no obligation to issue ID to the citizens (legal residents) of any other country- affirmativediversity

    they ALREADY DO THAT- all legal alien residents are "citizens of another country" and they get DLs from NC.

    This is NOT a "program"- AD

    Except, yes, it IS a program.

    http://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals

  • djhartm Feb 21, 3:47 p.m.

    @Taffy Really, 'penalizing' the illegal children. Seriously?

    Are there not venues these illegals can take to correct their status legally?

    Oh, too much work I suppose.

    Boo. :(

    The overt lack of logic libs/dems/progressives display here is utterly astounding!

  • djhartm Feb 21, 3:45 p.m.

    @Save IT Equating this situation to someone taking a child into a crime scene is not only an irrelevent, illogical comparison, it is downright absurd.

    Seriously, is this how the left really thinks? If so, it is downright distrubing.

    Kudos to Rep. Brody for enforcing the laws of this land!

  • workerbee Feb 21, 3:44 p.m.

    As far as I'm concerned, if you are not an American citizen, you shouldn't be enjoying the benefits of being an American. To all the kids who are here illegally with your parents, all I can say is its a sad situation...one in which you should be complaining to your parents about and not expecting the government to make it an American problem. The more America makes these type citizen benefits available to people here illegally, the more people will want to come here illegally. This is true for public education, free medical care, and now colleges allowing entrance. I say no too.

  • aetius476 Feb 21, 3:43 p.m.

    Fine. Issue them a 2 year provisional license for the duration of their delayed prosecution period. Make them pass a driver's test, written and road, in english.

    Indicate on the provisional license its limited duration and that it does not constitute any legality or rights beyond driving privilege.

    Even O'bama's amnesty by royal decree only defers prosecution, it does not change their status.

  • stymieindurham Feb 21, 3:43 p.m.

    Good ol' ACLU!! No wonder no one likes them.

  • Mitch Feb 21, 3:41 p.m.

    If they were "aspiring citizens" they would not be here illegally

  • Blueboxinggloves Feb 21, 3:41 p.m.

    Finally, a politician has the intestinal fortitude to push back!

  • ICTrue Feb 21, 3:39 p.m.

    "LOL you are so totally wrong about that! Courts have ruled over and over that illegal aliens have the same basic constitutional rights that all Americans have, including due process, right public education and so on." Kaitlyn

    Logic and common sense not withstanding.

  • ICTrue Feb 21, 3:33 p.m.

    "as I know there's nothing pending before the courts about the program not being legal" junkmail5

    Maybe this will help:

    il·le·gal/ɪˈligəl/ Show Spelled [ih-lee-guhl] Show IPA
    adjective
    1. forbidden by law or statute.
    2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.

  • Taffy Feb 21, 3:29 p.m.

    You go North Carolina Republicans! Way to penalize the children for the decisions of their parents. The vast majority of these children have been education here in NC and/or are still going to school.Why penalize those who are trying to better themselves. This new batch of government hasn't done one single thing with a positive uplifting message. It's been beat down the people of this state time & time again.It's simply disgraceful!

  • xylem01 Feb 21, 3:22 p.m.

    I don't get what the big hoop laa is about a driver's license. There are all kinds of folks (citizen/non-citizens/perm-residents) that have no driver's license and drive any where they want, any time of day. It's just a plastic card that *IF* you get pulled over or in a check-point you have to show. Driving with no driver's license is only a misdemeanor unless your license has been revoked, which means you have to have a driver's license for it to be revoked.

    On top of this, you either have to appear in court, pay the fine and cost of court, *OR* you can just ignore it and keep on driving until *IF AND WHEN* you get caught again.

    No biggie! People are doing it all day in all states in all counties. What's all the hoop laa about again?

  • disgusted2010 Feb 21, 3:20 p.m.

    Looks like the republicans can't decide what to do. King Tata is giving and the general assembly is taking away.

    Can't expect any better of Tata, he is filling DOT/DMV with his cronies from out of state, some with criminal records and no regard for NC's laws. I hope McCrory is happy with Tata and his constant bad press.

  • Terkel Feb 21, 3:17 p.m.

    "Yes, they are illegal immigrants, but they didn't know that when their parents were bringing them."

    Now they do. And instead of finding out what our laws require, some latina gets in front of a camera and demands a drivers license so she can go to her job at a law firm while Americans are unemployed. Emotional blackmail won't work.

  • Vincent Vega Feb 21, 3:17 p.m.

    Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County.(2011)In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance, with illegal immigrants generally receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Texas showed 61 percent of households headed by an immigrant utilizing at least one program.This is partly due to the large share of immigrants with low levels of education and their resulting low incomes, just what we need more stupid "Americans"

    At some point the day the EBT stops working will happen, and when it does, run for cover.

  • maybelle Feb 21, 3:16 p.m.

    Hello these kids/people are driving already.
    Some have bouight cars from Americans who charge them a fee and pay their car payment.This way americans or legals make huge money from elligals. I see it every day.
    Maybe I should start selling cars like that.LOL
    WAKE UP AMERICA

  • pchuck88 Feb 21, 3:15 p.m.

    i have a friend brought here at age 11

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Feb 21, 3:14 p.m.

    And this bill brings jobs to our state and strengthens our economy how? Seems like some people have forgotten why they were sent to Raleigh.

  • rlee1117 Feb 21, 3:14 p.m.

    According to state Highway Patrol troopers, Jesus Ortiz, an eighth grader at Red Oak Middle School, was crossing the road to get on a bus about 615 a.m. when he was hit by Nicolas Benitez, of Lancaster Store Road.

    Ortiz has lacerations on his face and a broken leg but is expected to be OK.

    The school bus was stopped and had its crossing stick down at the time Ortiz was hit, troopers said.

    Bentiez was charged with driving with a revoked license, passing a stopped school bus and having unsafe tires.

    Wonder if he was illegal too? Ask the ACLU if this is ok with them when things like this happens !!!

  • golorealist Feb 21, 3:12 p.m.

    "It's currently a valid government program. States don't get to ignore that in hopes some day it'll change." - junkmail5

    let's go ahead and clear the air about a critical component of the daca program. under this program, state's can legally continue to establish laws regarding eligibility for certain state benefits. one of those benefits are drivers licenses. north carolina is operating perfectly within the law if we decide to deny drivers licenses.

  • Save It Feb 21, 3:07 p.m.

    "But if someone breaks the law and comes into this country illegally, they'll be more than happy to issue you a license. Unbelievable... You can spin it anyway you want to, but that is the essence of this topic".

    So if your parents took you into a bank they were robbing when you were 4 years old you should still be in prison and responsible for your actions at that age?

    Now you know the "essence of this topic".

  • Terkel Feb 21, 3:06 p.m.

    "Native americans take back their land..."

    You mean the invaders from Siberia? Sure, if you can tell me which immigration laws were broken.

  • gwnunn Feb 21, 3:02 p.m.

    GLAD SOMEONE HAS SOME BRAINS, FINALLY.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 21, 3:01 p.m.

    You have to either show a passport or a birth certificate to get into Canada, all you need to show to get into America is a willingness to vote democrat

  • I know some stuff Feb 21, 3:01 p.m.

    to aspenstreet who wrote "The reason you don't give licenses to illegals is because it's enabling. States that have toughened their laws have seen illegals leave. If an illegal cannot get a job, license, welfare,free medical care etc they leave."

    No they don't Leave....they carjack you, they steal your a/c unit & sell it to the scrap dealer, they break into your home, they rob stores, and on and on....anything to survive.
    OR...we could facilitate them earning an honest living, and not having to resort to criminal activity.
    We have crime because people are poor....for whatever reason, but it's shortsighted to add to the reason list.
    Allow the kids to grow up, drive to school or a job, get an education, get an income they can live on.

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