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  • me2you Feb 25, 12:08 p.m.

    Neither one are experts. What qualifies them? As Raleigh Rocks commented...I can see how they would only get in the way instead of helping. There's too many chiefs and unnecessary process when it comes to gov't.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 20, 4:47 p.m.

    Caryregressive, you would lose the bet.

    I made a comment in regards to the article, that is Sutton saying dont take building of schools away from us because they know what we are doing.
    My initial comment was no they do not, and gave solid examples of why. Not to mention following up with reasons why this school board is nothing special when it comes to building schools. I can say based on personal experience this board and its bureaucratic ways actually make it cost more.

    You then have made up a claim..IE I bet you'd be singing a different tune if this was the ONLY conservative county in the state getting board of education powers taken away from them...AND THEN YOU COMMENT ON YOUR MADE UP CLAIM...Its as if you were talking to yourself and answering too!

    None of your comments are relative to the article. Please go and redistribute somewhere else, or comment on the article.

    Conservatives want an efficient education system is all. If you call that destroying, then so be it!

  • Cary Progressive Feb 20, 3:56 p.m.

    "John is part of the problem and the solution would be for him to resign. He thought he was smart enough to win a state office." superman, that's blasphemy to say that about the savior Tedesco! wasn't he trying to destroy the school system and government in general like you conservatives want? ronny reagan would be ashamed that you guys can't or won't outright admit you want to destroy public education like in the good ole days....

  • Cary Progressive Feb 20, 3:50 p.m.

    Hey RaleighRocks, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if this was the ONLY conservative county in the state getting board of education powers taken away from them. That's what's so depraved about conservatives: when they don't get their way, they try to take power like fascists. Much like the national GOP blackmailing democrats into the sequester or else they'd blow up the world economy. Pathetic.

  • cjw6105 Feb 20, 3:50 p.m.

    Sutton: "We know what we are doing."

    He sure does. The county commissioners are voted on by all Wake voters, while Sutton and his ilk are voted on by only a small percentage of Wake voters. In fact, District 1 had NO vote on Benton, who was sworn in today as their rep; likewise, District 9 will have no vote on Goldman's replacement next month.

    It's really simple, folks- it's all about power. The school board doesn't want to be held accountable by Wake voters, yet they want to run the Wake public school system lock, stock and barrel.

    Wake citizens are getting just what they deserve, especially when the forced busing for diversity goes back into full swing in another year or two.

  • superman Feb 20, 2:35 p.m.

    John is part of the problem and the solution would be for him to resign. He thought he was smart enough to win a state office.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 20, 1:55 p.m.

    Golden said....Schools ARE special buildings subject to rules that don't apply to other buildings. Boo hoo if this inconveniences a contractor.

    What..no inconvenience, just part of the cost to build. Id like to know what specific ones you think they are as well.

    What I am trying to communicate to all who will open their eyes... it makes no difference if it is a special needs building, a hospital, a bank, a charter school, a movie theater, a motel, an outpatient center, a university or anything else (All of which I have been involved in the construction process) The regulations (either from the state or federal or anyone) are incorporated into the bid documents (Specs) which is the architects responsibility to provide. It does not take a School Boards involvement whatsoever to get it done. I or anyone else could hire an architect or a design/build company right now to build a school.

  • injameswetrust2003 Feb 20, 11:14 a.m.

    "The last thing we needed was a career educator on the school board" - whatelse

    I think what you really meant to say was, we don't need another liberal head-nodder that will do whatever Mr. Sutton and the deposed chair Mr. Hill and the liberals want to do.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 20, 10:04 a.m.

    Thanks 4strikes and Whatelseis new. Could not have defended the comment better.

    Seankelly15, I AM just another conservative that wants efficient Government. Why is efficient government a conservative ideal? Why do not liberals want efficient government too?

    Here is information that may help you.....There are 16 divisions based on the Construction Specifications Institute. These 16 divisions have many subdivisions. I can assure you there are not state and federal requirements in all of these.

    It is the architects responsibility to build any requirements that the State or federal government would mandate into each divisions specs, which in turn assures the bid provided from contractors will meet the specific building standards.....

    To coin your phase..If you truly were involved then you would know this.

  • themacs Feb 20, 9:58 a.m.

    "The last thing we needed was a career educator on the school board."

    Riiiiight. The last thing we need is a combination of education and experience related to the objective of the group.

    In fact, why would experts in anything be needed or desired? Shut down the military academies and ROTC programs and fire the generals and admirals. Let's avoid "more of the same failed ideas" and VOTE YES ON MILITARY CUTS!

    (Equality in nonsense?)

  • whatelseisnew Feb 20, 9:26 a.m.

    "Involved? How? The architect? The General Contractor? Schools are NOT like other buildings; there are state and federal requirements in the design. If you truly were involved then you would know this. Nah, you are just another conservative."

    There is nothing unique about school buildings lefty. Please try to learn something beyond your slavish attitude towards all things government. Regulations APPLY to all buildings, whether it be residential or commercial. Requirements are primarily driven by the intended USAGE of a building. Unfortunately, you have rank amateurs making decisions on school construction and land purchase. More unfortunate is we have a very foolish population that continues to support building and operating traditional public schools. Apparently they like flushing money down the sewer.

  • whatelseisnew Feb 20, 9:22 a.m.

    The last thing we needed was a career educator on the school board. If you want more of the same failed ideas, then by all means keep putting people that were part of the failed public system into positions of control. VOTE NO ON BONDS, especially any that would provide money to this antiquated, unresponsive and unaccountable public system.

  • sunshine1040 Feb 20, 9:01 a.m.

    It is time for the children of Wake County on both boards to grow up and start doing the jobs you were elected to or else go back to your own corners and not draw a paycheck from the taxpayers since you are not able enough to do the jobs you were elected to

  • ICTrue Feb 20, 8:56 a.m.

    "Involved? How? The architect? The General Contractor? Schools are NOT like other buildings; there are state and federal requirements in the design. If you truly were involved then you would know this. Nah, you are just another conservative."
    seankelly15

    So you pull some random, irrelevant fact out of thin air and that is your reason for calling someone who has experience doing exactly what the aticle is about a liar? Typical liberal blowing smoke.

  • cwmllc1952 Feb 20, 8:45 a.m.

    There is a big argument over a push for Bonds and schools while multiple schools are being changed from Multi Track to Single Track because of not enough students to fill Multi Track. Wake School Board is certainly not qualified to manage any schools and is very hazardous with the truth and Tax Payers money." Don't believe everything you are told. Show ME the math."

  • ICTrue Feb 20, 8:43 a.m.

    The school board's involvement should be only to determine the need for and desired location of resources. These yahoos know nothing about land aquisition, real estate deveopment, or pretty much anything at all, based on their bizarre actions and past performance. If they were acting the way they do at any non-public company, they would have all been fired long ago.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 20, 8:29 a.m.

    Sutton said school boards have experience buying, building and maintaining schools, while commissioners do not. "We know what we are doing," he said.

    I love to start my day off with a laugh. A school is a building. Architects and General Contractors can build them without one second of school board consultation.

    I have been involved with building many wake county schools, as well as many other new buildings. I can assure you the schools were the most problematic to build BECAUSE of the board and the school building and design departments involvement.

    Not to mention the additional cost involved in the layers of unneeded project management. Additionally, the money spent is much greater than a traditional building in the public sector due to extravagant designs. Tons of wasted money when board is involved.

    A catch 22 for me of course, as my tax money is wasted, but my contracts were always more than they should have been, which increased my personal income.

  • RAA0013 Feb 20, 8:17 a.m.

    These adults are all acting like unruly children. It's sad that they don't really care about the kids - just power, control and their own personal views of social equality. Forget them and get involved in your child's school to make it better. Show the kids you care.

  • 22twain Feb 20, 8:17 a.m.

    The county comissioners should take over the school buildings. They cannot do a worse job than the school board has done. The WCSB members have not built a single building. They have hired professionals to do that. So the county commisioners can do just as good as the WCSB. That way the WCSB would have more time to focus on school assignments they change every year.

  • injameswetrust2003 Feb 20, 8:06 a.m.

    "the North Carolina School Boards Association came to the Wake County school board's defense " - Doesn't the WCPSS have to pay dues to the NCSBA? They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

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