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  • disgusted2010 Feb 20, 1:24 p.m.

    disgusted- "Don't confuse him with facts."

    What facts? You haven't backed up a single thing you posted. Plenty Coups

    I am expressing my opinion and as the news media will tell you that opinion needs no backup, just ask all those that have had their reputations ruined by an overzealous media and their opinions.

    I simply asked for citations for the studies you referenced. As to your point about the mayors using ATF data,you should realize that data is subject to interpretation and groups with an agenda will always interpret the data to their advantage. Perhaps you should cite studies that have been done by unbiased researchers.

  • fishon Feb 20, 1:15 p.m.

    I love these people that compare guns to cars. really? At least you have to take a test,driving lessons, inspections, registrations and there are police monitoring anyone abusing the laws on the roads, and also, cars were not invented for the purpose of killing things. Guns, just buy you one and shoot what you want bo.
    Jimmytwotimes

    All the more fascinating that after all the licensing, testing, and monitoring that more people are killed by cars in the USA every year than by guns. And there are a lot more guns than cars! And keeping and bearing arms is a right, even though the state of NC took my fingerprints AND I had to take a test, carry my license AND a photo ID, AND have to renew my right to concealed carry every 5 years.

    Driving a car is not a right, although if might fall under your's and my pursuit of happiness :>)

  • Dave Green Feb 20, 1:09 p.m.

    Their venue, their rules. I can accept that. NC Cruffler

  • Wirklich Feb 20, 11:38 a.m.

    Many individuals I know that are overly obsessed with their guns and "protecting themselves" against the state and the boogie man present a tough guy image on the outside but are true Barney Fife's on the inside. There is a much greater likelihood that they will injure themselves or someone they love before they actually protect themselves against a real criminal. In other words, they are trigger happy: shoot first, then decide if they are in real danger. I think one should have a right to possess firearms, but a psychological evaluation might be in order first. Just kidding..sort of. Not everyone can handle the responsibility of possessing that much power over someone else's life.

  • RadioDJ Feb 20, 11:33 a.m.

    What? Shoot first and then call it "stand your fairgrounds"? This gun nonsense is just so idiotic. Poor little minds who haven't a clue about our Constitution or how it works or can affect them are so scared "big ol gubmint" gonna come take summin away from dem! Yet you don't hear a PEEP out of them if any other of our "Rights" might be threatenend. They NEEDS dem big ol guns to look manly! And after all, that's what it's all about. ME ME MINE and MY.

  • castina Feb 20, 11:16 a.m.

    (continued...)
    * These changes make sense to me, however you should be able to re-case the firearm after the check point for carrying in the show.
    * Given the 100s of thousands (if not millions) of attendees that have attended one of the over 200 gunshows at the fairgrounds over the past 30 yrs, how many incidents have there been were someone was injured by a discharged weapon? Is this the only one?

  • Pirate01 Feb 20, 11:16 a.m.

    It was the security guard that fired the gun. Guns do not "accidentally" fire. It was stupid for the gun to be loaded but the guard is the one that pulled the trigger. What needs to happen is basic firearms training for the security people handling these weapons.

  • castina Feb 20, 11:15 a.m.

    A few points come to mind reading some of these comments:
    * Guns are not designed for the sole purpose of killing. I've shot thousands of rounds, mostly at targets for enjoyment, some at game while hunting (yes, intent to kill is there on these shots), and never once at another human being. Hopefully I'll never have to do the latter, but I will be prepared to should I ever need to defend myself or family.
    * If you don't see the point of marksmanship as a sport, well, I don't see the point of a lot of other sports or rec activities.
    * Driving is only a privilege, not a constitutional right.
    * Difficult to run down an intruder in my home with my vehicle... a gun is more practical and safer for those in the house other than the intruder (not sure of the point here, just an observation on the comparison)

  • JustAName Feb 20, 10:03 a.m.

    "How about no gun shows on state property?" - djofraleigh

    How about no ownership of property by the state.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 20, 9:25 a.m.

    "I am a gun owner and I do not condone "Parking lot sales" at all" - Legally Here


    I bought my Rem 870 in the parking lot of a gas station. Did everything legal.


    "What the heck do you need a gun show for in the first place?" - somebody (can't find original post)


    I use them to buy accessories, look at stuff, get ideas, try beef jerky, buy tools (not even gun related), buy gadgets (like a flint & steel fire starter), buy food (pepper jelly, etc.), etc. I've also heard that people buy guns there too (some that are antique and/or collectible and not normally at a gun shop). I've never bought a gun there though.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 20, 8:54 a.m.

    "Why can't the public accept this as an accident?" - friskymonkey2


    Because that's just common sense and not allowed. Given the extreme rarity of this accident, the status quo would be fine. But if they wanted to change something, they should just reiterate safety. Put up signs outside telling people "no loaded weapons" and state that the action has to be open BEFORE bringing in the gun and getting it checked/strapped.


    Regarding the case rule, can we put the guns in cases AFTER we're already checked in? I sometimes have 3 or 4 guns and I usually carry them in their cases, in a backpack.

  • wayneboyd Feb 20, 8:42 a.m.

    Jimmytwotimes..Drivers are heavily regulated, educated, and have to pass rigorous driving test, and every driver has at least one gun, some have dozens but, your chances of getting killed or injured by someone who was required to have all this training (even sober) with a car, are far greater than being killed or wounded by a firearm.

  • Jimmytwotimes Feb 20, 8:24 a.m.

    I love these people that compare guns to cars. really? At least you have to take a test,driving lessons, inspections, registrations and there are police monitoring anyone abusing the laws on the roads, and also, cars were not invented for the purpose of killing things. Guns, just buy you one and shoot what you want bo.

  • wayneboyd Feb 20, 8:15 a.m.

    Bad analogy. Both rides and cars are heavily regulated...and cars nave to be registered, have a licensed driver, and annual registeration, safety standards and insurance, You forgot to mention...
    That now thanks to Jim Black almost all of the drivers are required to wear glasses.

  • dieseldad60 Feb 20, 8:12 a.m.

    Of course, cars are not a right protected by the Constitution either.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 7:47 p.m.

    "just a couple of questions. if someone had an accident on a ride at the fair, would they ban all rides? if someone wreaks a car, would we ban cars?"

    Bad analogies. Both rides and cars are heavily regulated and they have very different purposes from guns. I mean, a car has to be registered, have a licensed driver, annual inspection, safety standards and insurance.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 7:45 p.m.

    "The "mayors" study is so biased that it is considered a sham by most legal experts. Thgier stastical data ia mostly made up or ignores findings which do not support thier view point. Even the ATF refused to use the data because it was so biased." davisgw

    Then I'm sure you can back this up with credible links? The Mayors report USES ATF data.

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/trace/analysis.shtml

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 7:43 p.m.

    disgusted-
    "Don't confuse him with facts."

    What facts? You haven't backed up a single thing you posted.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 7:42 p.m.

    "Your irrational fear of guns is clouding your argument."

    No study to contradict the findings?

    From the Institute of Justice and supported by ATF reports. (I guess you didn't read the PBS report):

    "Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts."

  • mep Feb 19, 7:40 p.m.

    I'll be there supporting and exercising my second amendment rights!

    How about no gun shows on state property?
    djofraleigh

    Because the State makes a fortune renting out the building.
    Its about the money.

  • heyrakes Feb 19, 7:35 p.m.

    just a couple of questions. if someone had an accident on a ride at the fair, would they ban all rides? if someone wreaks a car, would we ban cars? if a car dealer sells a car and the owners break the speed limit or drives drunk, is the car dealer responsible? BTW, if guns kill people, then mine are defective, they have never killed anyone

  • disgusted2010 Feb 19, 7:23 p.m.

    The "mayors" study is so biased that it is considered a sham by most legal experts. Thgier stastical data ia mostly made up or ignores findings which do not support thier view point. Even the ATF refused to use the data because it was so biased. davisgw

    Don't confuse him with facts.

  • davisgw Feb 19, 7:02 p.m.

    The "mayors" study is so biased that it is considered a sham by most legal experts. Thgier stastical data ia mostly made up or ignores findings which do not support thier view point. Even the ATF refused to use the data because it was so biased.

  • djofraleigh Feb 19, 6:43 p.m.

    How about no gun shows on state property?

  • disgusted2010 Feb 19, 6:40 p.m.

    Please show me any data that disputes this. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true. The study cited here "Mayors" is very careful to document their sources. Even the NRA doesn't dispute their findings. Plenty Coups

    Your irrational fear of guns is clouding your argument.

  • friskymonkey2 Feb 19, 6:30 p.m.

    Why can't the public accept this as an accident? Did the gun decide to hide a round and discharge injuring 3 people? I think the owner should have insured that the weapon was truly empty like he should have. This should be chalked up as an accident caused by an irresponsible gun owner. This shouldn't reflect on the rest of us that know how to dis-arm a weapon for safe use. The state and the US Government would like to think all of us are stupid enough to do this. That will be ammunition on why the American People shouldn't own firearms. That will be the first step in taking away the 2nd Ammendment..

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 6:23 p.m.

    disgusted-"Mayors against guns and the "Brady Bunch." Can't you find some sources that are not totally biased and suspect. Maybe I should have been more specific and asked for peer reviewed and credible sources."

    Please show me any data that disputes this. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true. The study cited here "Mayors" is very careful to document their sources. Even the NRA doesn't dispute their findings.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 6:09 p.m.

    Plenty-"If it wasn't for the lawbreakers out there, I wouldn't have to take my shoes off at airports."

    disgusted-" And you have a constitutional right to fly?"

    The constitution is a overarching framework never meant to list every right I do or don't have. But the Constitution does grant the Supreme Court the sole power to interpret the Constitution and it has consistently ruled that the 2nd amendment isn't absolute and that every citizen has a right to "freedom of movement". Read Corfield v. Coryell as well as many other court cases.

  • disgusted2010 Feb 19, 6:08 p.m.

    Plenty-Studies show that most of the weapons used in crimes originate from these dealers."

    disgusted-"Citations please."

    Guns orignate from dealers:

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/trace_the_guns_report.pdf

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/reports/inside-straw-purchasing.pdf

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

    Guns go missing from dealers:

    http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/Missing-Guns-report.pdf
    Plenty Coups

    Mayors against guns and the "Brady Bunch." Can't you find some sources that are not totally biased and suspect. Maybe I should have been more specific and asked for peer reviewed and credible sources.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 6:03 p.m.

    Plenty-Studies show that most of the weapons used in crimes originate from these dealers."

    disgusted-"Citations please."

    Guns orignate from dealers:

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/trace_the_guns_report.pdf

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/reports/inside-straw-purchasing.pdf

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

    Guns go missing from dealers:

    http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/Missing-Guns-report.pdf

  • SaltlifeLady Feb 19, 5:50 p.m.

    As far as sales and background checks, it is done no differently than walking into Gander mountain and buying a gun. The background check is done when doing the purchase.

  • SaltlifeLady Feb 19, 5:49 p.m.

    The owner of the gun set the case on the table, and while opening it the gun discharged. The "security officer" had not touched the gun. Also, that 'security officer' was a retired LEO. He had gun training. He was not just a hired security guard. Also, those who are not in the gun owner line do have to walk through a security gate and/or hand held metal detector scan. I had just walked through the check-in when this happened and have been to several gun shows at the fairgrounds before. This was just one of those weird accidental things, but still think the owner should have received some sort of charge for failing to check and secure his gun before entering the building. The poor woman who got hit was only inches away from being hit in the eye. It could have been much worse than it was.

  • disgusted2010 Feb 19, 5:42 p.m.

    "There are corrupt dealers out there who have no problem with selling to the criminal element." If you have proof, please report it to the authorities and not just make allegations on a blog.

    "Studies show that most of the weapons used in crimes originate from these dealers." Citations please.

    "If it wasn't for the lawbreakers out there, I wouldn't have to take my shoes off at airports." And you have a constitutional right to fly?

  • Quagmire Feb 19, 5:39 p.m.

    The security guard is the one who fired the weapon Pirate0

    Bzzzt wrong answer.

  • mistervegas Feb 19, 5:27 p.m.

    The background checks and gun permits should be done prior to buying a gun at the gun show. You produce your gun permit when purchasing a gun at the show.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Feb 19, 5:18 p.m.

    Well if they are doing something perfectly legal, they should not mind being finger printed Mr. Middle of the Road

    How profound...
    ripetomatoes

    Thank you. Your approval means a lot.

  • Ex-Republican Feb 19, 5:09 p.m.

    'if they are legal to vote, they shouldn't mind showing their papers.' MiddleoftheRoad

    That analogy is stretched so thin as to be meaningless.

  • ripetomatoes Feb 19, 5:07 p.m.

    If you don't solve the problem of nitwits walking round with loaded weapons in an unsafe manner..NeverSurrender

    Please explain which is the bigger problem:
    The nitwit, the loaded weapon or the unsafe manner.
    I believe the problem begins and ends with the nitwit.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 19, 5:07 p.m.

    Legally here-"I dont support background checks for private sales withing family or to good freinds that are known to be able to legally purchase a firearm."

    I know what you're saying but if you make exceptions, people take advantage of it. There are corrupt dealers out there who have no problem with selling to the criminal element. Studies show that most of the weapons used in crimes originate from these dealers. All they have to claim is that everybody they sell to is a "good friend". If it wasn't for the lawbreakers out there, I wouldn't have to take my shoes off at airports or get inconvenienced at police roadblocks.

  • Ex-Republican Feb 19, 5:05 p.m.

    "but the weapon went off when Wilson removed it from its case at a security checkpoint."

    I've never been to a gun/knife show (not that I wouldn't mind going sometime), but I would sure like to see that security checkpoint. Their not checking for guns and sharp instruments, so what's the point?

  • ripetomatoes Feb 19, 5:00 p.m.

    Well if they are doing something perfectly legal, they should not mind being finger printed Mr. Middle of the Road

    How profound...

  • ripetomatoes Feb 19, 4:54 p.m.

    One careless person does not mean everyone else is incompetent.
    You are the person that ruined the day for everyone who likes to attend gun shows, Mr. Wilson.
    A 36 year old man walking into a public event with a loaded shotgun.
    There is no excuse for what you did.
    Way to go, champ.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Feb 19, 4:51 p.m.

    "What the heck do you need a gun show for in the first place? Everyone that enters should be finger printed!!!"

    Finger printed for what? Doing something perfectly legal?
    rocket

    Well if they are doing something perfectly legal, they should not mind being finger printed. Whaic is kind of like the logic of, 'if they are legal to vote, they shouldn't mind showing their papers.'

  • WooHoo2You Feb 19, 4:50 p.m.

    So, no background checks are done at said shows...hmmm...then really what the heck difference does any of this make?! JDAmbrosio February 19, 2013 3:10 p.m. Report abuse

    The vendors do a back ground check on you once you fill out the paper work UNLESS you have a concealed weapons permit...-jamesstroud574

    Many of the vendors are actually ‘private’ sellers who just happen to have multiple tables setup at every gun show. Is a person not a panhandler if they don’t have an official panhandling permit but still beg for money?

  • Pirate01 Feb 19, 4:41 p.m.

    The security guard is the one who fired the weapon. Rule #1: Treat all guns like they are loaded Rule #2: Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot. Looks to me like the hired security guard is the one who needs remedial gun training. This is why there were no charges filed.

  • carlzomer Feb 19, 4:41 p.m.

    It wasn't an "accidental discharge", it was a negligent discharge. Because no criminal charges were filed doesn't mean the negligent individual won't be held responsible. I would certainly sue to recover damages if I were injured by this dope's negligence.

    A frightening number of posters here are woefully ignorant about firearms and NC firearms law. You are like my childless aunt who used to lecture her siblings who had children about child rearing.

    Remember, it's a civil right, like voting or free speech. You may not like it but which right are you willing to give up next?

    Carl

  • Legally Here Feb 19, 4:40 p.m.

    I am a gun owner and I do not condone "Parking lot sales" at all or sales by venders without background checks unless the purchaser has a valid Concealed Carry ( as me and my wife do )
    I dont support background checks for private sales withing family or to good freinds that are known to be able to legally purchase a firearm. Parking lot sales without background check IMHO are dumb there is no way to tell who you are selling to and it probrably isnt a good freind or family member.

  • jamesstroud574 Feb 19, 4:19 p.m.

    So, no background checks are done at said shows...hmmm...then really what the heck difference does any of this make?!
    JDAmbrosio
    February 19, 2013 3:10 p.m.
    Report abuse

    The vendors do a back ground check on you once you fill out the paper work UNLESS you have a concealed
    weapons permit...

  • superman Feb 19, 4:15 p.m.

    Just how well do you have to know the person who is buying your gun? Walk up introduce yourself, shake hands and you know the dude. If you really want to know him--exchange family pictures. Seal the deal with a cup of coffee together.

  • GravyPig Feb 19, 4:14 p.m.

    "This makes no sense. Also,not sure the Ag Commission and any LEO agency can enforce the "no gun sales in the parking lot". It is not against any state or federal law for individuals to sell a gun to another individual who is legally able to buy a gun."

    Sounds like you are cool with parking lot sales with no Background Check. I know that's not what you meant.....right??

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