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CERaleigh Feb 20, 12:20 p.m.
To make matters worse... Tryon Road is about to go under construction from Lake Wheeler to South Wilmington Street at the end of this year, in order to realign the road and completely replace the bridge going over the train tracks.
That'll be fun... Feel free to go ahead and cross that "alternative route" out of the equation.
oleguy Feb 20, 8:20 a.m.
IDEA,,, Go ahead and close two lanes for a week,,, Might be a good test,,,When the traffic backs up from I85 in orange county to I95 in Johnston county, they just might put this thing off till they finish the other 540 loops,, Just saying
oleguy Feb 20, 8:15 a.m.
Its not the top thats the problem,, Its the poor constructed Bottom,, Low bids, and inspectors from the first layer,,The road installed properly would still be OK, Stop the overloaded trucks, and reduce the speed to 50 MPH. This would really help or solve the bad traffic, wrecks and help conjestion,, Other cities with interstate roads set up safety Zones, reduce the speed to 50/55 and inforce it,,,Problem solved MILLIONS Saved,, I need to run for office,,Nah then I would become stupid
protestthis Feb 19, 7:42 p.m.
you can all thank "LOW BID" for all this mess
Bendal1 Feb 19, 7:18 p.m.
You don't wait until your roof leaks to fix the shingles. We don't want to wait until the pavement completely fails to replace it either. The overlay on top was put on a few years ago, but the concrete and base under it are in very bad shape. Rather than wait a few more years when there will be even more traffic to deal with, the state would rather fix it now. Plus the Southern Expressway won't be finished for at least 10 more years; the pavement won't last that much longer.
Bendal1 Feb 19, 7:16 p.m.
Road-wearier, you are absolutely right and I was in error. I spoke with someone today who had pulled the project data and said it was built back in the early 80's. However, he also said the pavement was designed for a 20 year lifespan, so it has outlived its service life by over 10 years now. Plus, the volume of heavy trucks is much, much higher than it was designed for, and that's the problem. The big trucks have pounded it to the point there's very little left under that thin asphalt overlay put on it a few years ago.
Road-wearier Feb 19, 5:48 p.m.
Bendal1, this part of I-40 is NOT 40 years old. It opened between 1983 and 1985 so it's 30 years old, tops. I can date it by the times I was working in bars on Hillsborough St and having to drive home thru the construction zones at night :)
mike275132 Feb 19, 3:40 p.m.
Obviously the Correct solution is to do the work overnight between 9pm and 5am .
But that would require common sense , Not in the NC DOT capabilities
alabama Feb 19, 3:34 p.m.
This project makes absolutely no sense to me. I drive the middle stretch of I-40 daily and the pavement is smooth and even, no sign of deterioration. OK, so maybe it's out of sight, but it's not making itself felt yet.
Why not complete the Southern Wake expressway from Holly Springs to I-40 first? Then all the I-40 thru traffic would have a simple way around the mess.
Bendal1 Feb 19, 2:44 p.m.
As I said earlier, I-40 wasn't designed for these truck weights combined with the overall traffic volume. I work in this industry and when you increase both truck weights and the overall # of trucks on a road, no pavement won't handle the pounding. That it lasted as long as it did says the pavement was better designed than expected, considering it lasted 25% longer and carries trucks that are 30% heavier, in addition to carrying more of these heavier trucks as well.
There's no one to "blame", nothing to get outraged about. The pavement is shot and must be replaced, it's that simple. It lasted over 40 years; you go find me untouched concrete pavement carrying the kinds of loads I-40 has carried that lasted this long. I can't think of any road in this state that has, and I've worked all over this state on these roads the past 29 years.
baldchip Feb 19, 2:16 p.m.
I smell a mess in the making!! Thank goodness Raleigh is an option for us-not a requirement.
deansjam2 Feb 19, 1:52 p.m.
No designated detour route? Poor Mr. and Mrs. California on their way to Wrightsville Beach are just going to have to figure it out on the fly. Frankly, I hope they take Wade Avenue exit and go right thru downtown Raleigh. Then they'll have to stop to get directions because there never have been signs in downtown pointing the way to I40.
fredk Feb 19, 11:29 a.m.
Bendal1....concrete should last way longer than this has, otherwise we'd see 1000's of miles of roads, and bridges, being ripped up, but we're not.
This is a premature failure. It's an error that should not have happened in this timeframe.
There SHOULD be alternatives, even without this rebuild.
Add a lane to 440 Cary to Fairgrounds.
Make Tryon Rd. 4 lanes all the way to downtown Raleigh, and 'time' the stoplights.
Those 2 things alone, would go long way to providing alternative routes, AND they are needed now.
mattcli Feb 19, 10:36 a.m.
I think what they're really saying is all the roads are a mess and there is no good alternative.
Bendal1 Feb 19, 10:27 a.m.
Whitley is saying what the traffic engineers already know; there's no other route around Raleigh that can handle 110,000 additional vehicles every day. I-440 around the north side of Raleigh is already full at rush hour; widening any road to carry that additional amount would need 2-3 more lanes, each way, and cost billions and take years to finish.
Meanwhile the pavement on I-40 keeps falling apart. This isn't mismanagement, it's not incompetence, it is a simple fact; nothing lasts forever and that concrete pavement is long, long past its estimated service life. If we wait too much longer we won't have pavement, we'll have giant potholes and gravel out there.
Bendal1 Feb 19, 10:22 a.m.
Do you wait until your roof is leaking before you replace the shingles? Or do you replace the engine in your car when it stops working? The pavement on I-40 is over 40 years old, and carrying truck weights it was never designed for. The resurfacing job done on it a few years ago was a bandaid to get the road to this point without falling apart, but now it's time to replace the pavement. No detour is recommended because let's be honest here, there's not another route around Raleigh that can handle the traffic. Hopefully people will change their driving times, and take the alternate route that works best for them, but yes it's going to be a mess.
Or did you think that concrete pavement lasts forever?
mountain_luver Feb 19, 10:19 a.m.
There's always staggered work hours, carpools and the like-oh wait, that makes too much sense.
happy2.0 Feb 19, 9:47 a.m.
We lived in Garner till December. We work in N. Raleigh and RTP. We saw this coming and moved. Not sure that we will be in much better shape where we are now, but sure won't be any worse.
SaveEnergyMan Feb 19, 9:09 a.m.
In other words... they don't have a clue what motorists should do. Great
fredk Feb 19, 8:53 a.m.
Whitley should be fired. The project hasn't even started, and already it's being mismanaged.
First, the road isn't in bad shape, so why such an expense, Now.
Second...he's not signing alternatives, because there are none. Those should be put in place first.
To tell the area residents....find a way...is failing to take responsibility.
Pat McCrory needs to get involved, and knock some sense into the DOT.
exposure102 Feb 19, 8:51 a.m.
They should have fixed the I-440 and Wade interchange first...it's already over-capacity in the mornings and cannot handle the amount of traffic coming around the beltline.
me2you Feb 19, 8:43 a.m.
What a nightmare to come. If they would widen and create more roads around here. Never lived in a city where you take back roads and they are just as congested.
Road-wearier Feb 19, 8:40 a.m.
This is going to be a massive disaster for Raleigh. Two lanes will NOT work. There are NOT sufficient alternate routes...they do not exist. What routes that do exist are overtaxed now - Tryon Road from Lake Wheeler to 70-401 is a TWO LANE road. South Saunders/Wilmington is plugged now at rush hour. If the toll road southern freeway existed it would be different. But it's not there.
What the state SHOULD do is patch/cobble I-40 until 440 is widened from Wade to Walnut and/or the Southern Freeway is built. South and west Raleigh are going to be a gridlocked nightmare - think the ice gridlock of several years ago. It's going to be that bad in that area. NCDOT is delusional if they think otherwise.
offconstantly Feb 19, 8:16 a.m.
mark my words, this WILL be the biggest traffic nightmare and congestion mess NC roads will ever see.....
IceCreamMan Feb 18, 7:30 p.m.
2 suggestions -avoid rush hour and use Waze.
JoeF Feb 18, 6:50 p.m.
Whitley Battle is paid by taxpayers to come up with solutions. How dare he foist detour decisions onto drivers, visitors and tourists using I-40. I vote for holding up his paycheck until he does his job--making it easier for folks to get around.
ConservativeVoter Feb 18, 6:38 p.m.
"I plan on utilizing 440 (the northern arc) more during the construction...
Good luck, it's already over utilized.
mmtlash Feb 18, 6:20 p.m.
I plan on utilizing 440 (the northern arc) more during the construction...
timexliving Feb 18, 5:51 p.m.
"There won't be official detours because the infrastructure doesn't have the capacity to handle all of the traffic detouring off of I-40/I-440." ConservativeVoter
100% true. Tryon Rd. is already bumper to bumper during rush hour.
ckblackm Feb 18, 5:50 p.m.
Yet another way DOT is screwing those who live in Garner.
7birdman Feb 18, 5:49 p.m.
Hope they don't pick a company with union workers, or it will be 5 years building, and 270 million.
ConservativeVoter Feb 18, 5:45 p.m.
There won't be official detours because the infrastructure doesn't have the capacity to handle all of the traffic detouring off of I-40/I-440.
cmckenzie Feb 18, 5:18 p.m.
I don't understand why, knowing for years this was coming, that they didn't complete 540 all the way around? The section missing is the parallel section of the beltline they are now closing off. Many people in southwest Raleigh will have no other alternate route to go than how they are already going into Raleigh.
ConservativeVoter Feb 18, 5:17 p.m.
Why does NCDOT always have problems with defective pavement.
I-795 had to be completely repaved because NCDOT chose to put too thin of a layer of asphalt on the road.
I-40 in Durham County had it's new concrete dug up and replaced with asphalt because NCDOT didn't make sure that the contractor properly cut the expansion joints in the concrete.
A friend familiar with the I-40/I-440 work that's starting said that NCDOT had the contractor who did the original work use an asphalt mix that didn't have enough petroleum products in the mix to keep the asphalt from falling apart.
As they say, never enough time and money to do it right the first time but plenty of money to fix the problem later when it falls apart.
tired2 Feb 18, 5:05 p.m.
and don't expect McCroy to make situations like this any better...his campaign is funded by many of the same companies. Politicians are in it for those who fund them,,,,not the taxpayers.
tired2 Feb 18, 5:02 p.m.
Defective pavement...did whoever is responsible to ensure vendors perform properly get fired and why is the original pavement vendor not paying for this???? Welcome to NC....no common sense...and the taxpayers pay again
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03