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superman Feb 20, 2:41 p.m.
No doubt he is smart but I think he is one of those that is book smart but doesnt know how to get out of the rain. Lots of brain power but extremely lacking in common sense and good judgment. I dont understand that at his age he would leave and go halfway across the country. The Board must not have been as pleased with him as they want us to believe. UNC is certainly better off without him in any capacity.
heisenberg Feb 18, 5:16 p.m.
rio4walk Feb 18, 3:50 p.m.
Sad he is a quitter. No doubt an honorable man but he is showing less character to "return to his love of teaching" and walking away.
Ken D. Feb 18, 1:58 p.m.
Folks will want to classify what has occurred at UNC as either an athletic scandal or a purely academic one, depending on their own agendas. Despite the hand wringing and public posturing, university leaders understand all too well the outside pressures that demand that they accept some conditions that are inconsistent with their mission and their standards.
UNC was not vigilant is spotting and correcting abuses in its African Studies Department, which were brought to light because of its connection to athletics. Why would it have been, if that Department's existence is not significant with respect to UNC's academic mission?
Sadly, universities - especially public ones - need to have ways to provide a path to a degree for students who aren't prepared for a rigorous academic curriculum. That includes star athletes, dim-witted children of alumni and donors, underrepresented minorities, etc.
That's why prestigious schools like Washington don't view Thorp's tenure as scandalous.
tran Feb 18, 1:14 p.m.
""tran - "This is what is known as a golden parachute."
No it is not."
It's just called getting a new job."
I disagree. They could have thrown him under the bus as many have clamored for. Instead, he was allowed ample time to conduct a proper search for a position commensurate with his experience and ability while drawing his full salary.
JohnnyVoodoo Feb 18, 12:08 p.m.
This is probably just a simple case of, "I better get out while the getting is good." Maybe there were others doing things behind his back....and maybe they weren't. But the buck stopped at his table.
ifcdirector Feb 18, 11:18 a.m.
Why is it mediocrity or even sub-par performance is awarded in academia and politics in this country with more money and power? Where does the apologia come from?
superman Feb 18, 11:16 a.m.
If he is so highly respected and all those problems on his watch--they must have pretty low standards.
superman Feb 18, 11:15 a.m.
Should have left a long long time ago and been fired. He is so weak he cant even manage the univerity travel. Someone should always sign off on a persons travel. He gave them a blank check and didnt blink an eye. I wouldnt trust him with last weeks newspaper.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 18, 10:53 a.m.
caniac315, I think ya got it about right. when you said..I think he's a good man, who did his best, which obviously wasn't very good...
Only in Big Education can a person not be very good and get paid 420,000.00 a year.
caniac315 Feb 18, 10:31 a.m.
I think he's a good man, who did his best, which obviously wasn't very good. He appears to me to be a weak leader, who thought he could lead with his love for the university.
MadMaxx Feb 18, 10:30 a.m.
Please be sure to carry some corruption with you there, experience in covering up will help you greatly.
mhagwood Feb 18, 10:30 a.m.
He should have been fired last year. July 1, today should be
his last day. Wise up Chapel Hill
UpChuck Feb 18, 10:16 a.m.
"tran - "This is what is known as a golden parachute."
No it is not."
It's just called getting a new job.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 18, 9:50 a.m.
To mention Thorp in the same sentence as Friday is an outrage.
Thorpe was over UNC when it was found guilty of a MAJOR academic scandal. The majority of these wrong doings happened on his watch. Athletics had nothing to do with it according to the independent report.... PERIOD.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 18, 9:43 a.m.
Athiestwontrule said it was the 30th best, I corrected him, saying they are actually 41st, then it posts about several departments being lower than 41st, which does not makes my information incorrect. It just means that if some departments are better than 41st, then other must be worst, because the rank is number 41 overall.
lb27608 said...And this started under Holden Thorp? It did not start, but he took over 7-1-08. The evidence goes back to fall 07, so the majority of the issues on his watch. (I love me some facts) AND OMG, where are all the Libbies busting on his outrageous salary of 420,000.00 a year?????
Finally, This was an ACADEMIC Issue folks not athletic....From the independent report..."It was an academic scandal, which is worse." there is no evidence the Counselors, or the students, or the coaches had anything to do with perpetrating this abuse of the AFRI/AFAM curriculum, or any other."
Bottom line, a major academic scandal happened on his watch, as he got paid 420k.
Mike H Feb 18, 9:34 a.m.
The problems didn't start with Thorp, but they certainly didn't get any better. I'm happy to see him go ... time to get someone in who knows how to run a multibillion dollar organization. Maybe even someone with some business sense.
NCSU84 Feb 18, 9:22 a.m.
Holden was part of the problem, but that type of atmosphere was there long before Thorpe was made Chancellor.
tran Feb 18, 9:22 a.m.
This is what is known as a golden parachute. Can't say as I blame him though. The scandal has dogged him for the past 3 years and continues to.
lec02572 Feb 18, 9:20 a.m.
I guess, if you are getting out of town you as well leave the state. See ya!
The Oracle Feb 18, 9:18 a.m.
"... He tried his best to hold the university to academic standards and he was more or less bullied out of the university by the small minds of the Ram's Club and the rah-rah right wing folks who only care about their silly ballgames..."
The Chancellor is the HEAD of the University. The buck stops there. If he was not strong enough to resist being "bullied out the the university", then he should not have that job.
lb27608 Feb 18, 9:11 a.m.
"Good to see this guy get out of the UNC system. Chapel Hill will continue to suffer for many years because of the university giving out good grades."
And this started under Holden Thorp? Please. He's an academic, and he's going to a university where academics don't play second fiddle to big time sports. This is clearly Carolina's loss.
Chatham Rebel Feb 18, 9:08 a.m.
I will start out by saying I am not a Carolina fan or alumni. But this day is long overdue. Thorpe should have been "expelled" a long time ago. Maybe now UNC can get some credibility back.
It's about time you left Holden, you have been a lot of the problem.
atheistswillrule Feb 18, 9:06 a.m.
.they are ranked as the 30th best university..... Sorry Charlie, fact is In 2011/12, Washington University ranked 41 according to the Times Higher Education World University Rankings. raleighrocks
U.S. News & World Report's 2011 edition places 19 Washington University graduate and professional programs in their top-10 rankings. The School of Medicine is number four in the nation, and 12 of the departments and programs in medicine are ranked in the top 10.
carolinablueline Feb 18, 9:03 a.m.
Don't go away mad....
jfgzo2000 Feb 18, 8:56 a.m.
Freed from the burden of Div I football, Holden can now do the good things he would have preferred to do at UNC. Best wishes, Holden.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Feb 18, 8:51 a.m.
Yep, he is getting as far away from African American Study program as he can. Only 6.9% of Washington Universities students are Black or African American.(http://studentrecords.wustl.edu/GenderEthnicity)
Oh, Athiestwillrulehel said,...they are ranked as the 30th best university..... Sorry Charlie, fact is In 2011/12, Washington University ranked 41 according to the Times Higher Education World University Rankings. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-12/world-ranking
Just another BIG EDUCATION position thats overpaid. Yes its private but gets tons of federal money in "research". Glaxo does tons of research as well, but they are BIG Pharma and libs don't like that, but it seems Big education is ok to waste tax money on.
Good to see this guy get out of the UNC system. Chapel Hill will continue to suffer for many years because of the university giving out good grades.
atheistswillrule Feb 18, 8:47 a.m.
Not that I ever really cared much for the guy, but who can blame him now? Veto proof GOP government who never liked UNC system before are going to decimate it. I would leave too. balog
Exactly. Now we are stuck with an ignorant GOP Governor who had the lack of sense to state "
"I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education". No wonder people are leaving for more enlightened climes.
welfarequeen Feb 18, 8:40 a.m.
maybe now we'll get someone with a BACKBONE that will stand up for the students of UNC Chapelhill,...someone who will stand up for the athletic dept randrmommanddad
Huh? THAT's why he is leaving, He tried his best to hold the university to academic standards and he was more or less bullied out of the university by the small minds of the Ram's Club and the rah-rah right wing folks who only care about their silly ballgames. Mr. Thorp is heading on to a better university where he will be treated with the respect that he deserves, and I wish him and his family well!
DooksucksV3 Feb 18, 8:36 a.m.
goobnav Feb 18, 8:33 a.m.
Like rats leaving a sinking ship. This guy said in September that he had no desire to leave UNC and now he is going far enough away to be unaccountable for the absolute disaster that UNC has become.
The only loyalty at UNC is M-O-N-E-Y and how much of it goes to the Athletics Dept. The only higher learning going on there now, is how high of a paycheck you can get by getting into Pro Sports.
potterotherp Feb 18, 8:32 a.m.
"waited for this day along time...maybe now we'll get someone with a BACKBONE that will stand up for the students of UNC Chapelhill,...someone who will stand up for the athletic dept and protect its students who involved in sports...someone who will dicipline fairly and not let the Media unfairly trash them before they can get a fair chance to prove guilt or innocents."
Are you thinking who I'm thinking... Art Pope!
balog Feb 18, 8:31 a.m.
Not that I ever really cared much for the guy, but who can blame him now? Veto proof GOP government who never liked UNC system before are going to decimate it. I would leave too.
dick4sanchez Feb 18, 8:19 a.m.
Proving that you can allow academic scandal and get a promotion.
randrmomanddad Feb 18, 8:18 a.m.
FE_ORA Feb 18, 8:18 a.m.
North Carolina native. UNC grad. Former UNC department head. Current UNC chancellor. I wonder WHY he would choose to go so far away from his beloved UNC. Hmmm ........ I wonder.
You can run but you can't hide Holden!!!
randrmomanddad Feb 18, 8:15 a.m.
waited for this day along time...maybe now we'll get someone with a BACKBONE that will stand up for the students of UNC Chapelhill,...someone who will stand up for the athletic dept and protect its students who involved in sports...someone who will dicipline fairly and not let the Media unfairly trash them before they can get a fair chance to prove guilt or innocents.
atheistswillrule Feb 18, 8:09 a.m.
Congratulations to Chancellor Thorp on his new position as provost for Washington University. Over 22 Nobel laureates have been affiliated with the university and they are ranked as the 30th best university in the entire world. They receive several hundreds of millions of dollars each year in federal research funds, it's like Nirvana for scientists of Thorps stature and reputation. I have no doubt that e will not miss the petty bickering and politics of the UNC athletic department, Afro-American studies department or the backwards attitude of rural NC.
itlsss Feb 18, 8:07 a.m.
Is that the Carolina way, when things get tough, run!
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03