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GravyPig Feb 15, 6:03 p.m.
"If Mama isn't. Happy, nobodies happy."
Yep, that's why I make sure my wifes car is in tip-top shape.
warbirdlover Feb 15, 5:11 p.m.
Gravy, I know what yo mean. The low pressure on my 2004 Expidition would come on every time it when below 40 degrees. It scared my wife. I needed new tires, so I bought some new Bridgestones and had them Nitrogen filled. End of problem. I also hard the sensors replaced. If Mama isn't. Happy, nobodies happy.
angiebass35 Feb 15, 5:07 p.m.
Before too many more judgments are thrown out there, please be aware that the parents of these kids were not the ones driving. The parents are actually in fact one of the most loving parents that I know and are most certainly not neglectful. Please know the facts before you post judgments.
GravyPig Feb 15, 4:51 p.m.
"Actually many of the truck treads on the highway are from new not recapped tires. I think a mid-western university did a study of tire debris and found that most were not recaps."
Spot on there Frosty. I read about that too. They are actually putting super wide drive radials into use that take up the width of two tandem tires. I was afraid that this would be an issue since there would not be a tire right next to it to take up the load when one went flat but the studies show that the super wide drive radials are just as safe as using tandem tires.
GravyPig Feb 15, 4:47 p.m.
"Tire pressure monitors are one of the best safety inventions of late. All vehicles sold in the US since 2008 must be equipped with low tire pressure warning system. We don't yet know the cause of this accident, but if low tire pressure caused a blowout, then sidewall damage will be visible on inside of the tires sidewall."
Indeed, inspection of the tire will show if low pressure caused the tire failure.
Tire sensors are a great addition, but the government failed to implement standardized requirements like the OBDII diagnostics. Each manufacturer uses a different brand/style/data collection method. Some use an actual sensor, some use ABS algorithms to determine rolling circumference of the tire to say one is low. It really should have been standardized to help the consumer and the repair facilities.
The only problem with the sensors is they tend to go off when the first cold snap happens and the air in your tires contracts. They are very senstive to even a little loss.
D4unc Feb 15, 3:23 p.m.
Don't know if speed was a fact or not in this but this world has gotten in one big dang hurry. My almost 30 years of experience of driving a lot of people just don't understand speed kills. it lessens the reaction time by so many every MPH you go. If you drive the speed limt or I try to go about 5 miles over and these not so smart drivers are riding on you bumper or swerving in front of you ike you did something to them. Most driver's speed is not slowng down it seems but getting faster. The speed limit is set for saftey reasons not to hinder you as a driver.
GravyPig Feb 15, 2:35 p.m.
"Thanks for explaining that, GravyPig. Most people have *no* idea how much is riding on their tires, and how a little bit of care and attention can go a long way towards making us all safer. I'm in the habit of checking all of my tires weekly. Probably seems excessive to most people, but after over a million miles of driving my my 23+ year driving career, I've yet to have any sort of blowout."
My friends once asked me about tires and I started going into the details. After talking for 5 to 10 minutes I noticed that they were all sort of slack jawed and looking at me funny. They were shocked at how much there was to know about tires.
You can never really go overboard on safety. Well, you can but it's better than not taking it seriously.
diveyrround Feb 15, 2:25 p.m.
@ kimisufu - I couldn't agree more. The child restraint clearly works better, when attached to the latch system. Less chance of ejection, in my opinion. Maybe not 100% foolproof, but better choice, in my opinion again, than a booster. I don't frown on boosters, it's all a preference. All seats are tested by the NHTSA and rated accordingly. And any child restraint is better than none. I have a 6 yr old who weighs 48 lbs. I STILL keep her in a 5-pt harness because it is the safest way for kiddos to travel. Her carseat goes to 80lbs in the 5pt and she knows it's for safety. "mommy wants to keep her as safe as she can, within her control, so 5pt it is". And she's perfectly ok with it.
Praying for that family and what they have, and will continue to endure.
tabj88 Feb 15, 2:23 p.m.
Instead of making assumptions why dont we say a prayer for this family who just lost a child. Either way this woman will have to live with this for the rest of her life. People are so cynical and assumption filled instead of being sympathetic.
frosty Feb 15, 2:09 p.m.
Actually many of the truck treads on the highway are from new not recapped tires. I think a mid-western university did a study of tire debris and found that most were not recaps.
If a truck tire is run flat it will often have the tread detach from the sidewalls when they finally come apart. And if it is a dual wheel tire set up the good tire can be overloaded and it is the sidewalls that blow. I have had a new front tire come apart for no apparent reason and I keep a close check on the tire pressures on the truck. And there was no puncture of the tread.
School bus tires may be recaps, but they are very good recaps and are not loaded near to their weight or speed limits on the buses.
kimisufu Feb 15, 1:38 p.m.
I *think* carseats can still be ejected even if properly installed depending on the force of the impact. I remember the accident a few years ago where the couple in the Pine Level/Smithfield area got hit by a train and their newborn was ejected along with the carseat. They were either on their way to the doctor or on their way home from hospital...and those nurses make sure those carseats are in there correctly before you leave the hospital.
Booster seats aren't much in the way of restraint as they are not latched to the vehicle. So, I think in this particular accident even if the kids were in boosters they could have been ejected depending on the accident itself. Sad and certainly not something that keeps me from restraining my children--I'd much rather them be in a booster than note--and it kills me the people who don't think it's important, helpful, or lifesaving and let their kids bounce around "because they did and never got hurt."
bombayrunner Feb 15, 1:10 p.m.
sad ... sounds terrifying too, hope everyone will be ok.
Nancy Feb 15, 12:49 p.m.
" kids ejected from the car. we know exactly what that means. "
I read that too. Also thought that with kids not secured, perhaps she was turning and dealing with one of them and pulled the wheel and off the road she went at a good clip.
Nancy Feb 15, 12:40 p.m.
Had a rear tire blow out at 65 mph on I-85 a couple years ago. Tire had plenty of tread, defective however. New tire, not a retread and have the tread tore away and the metal belts wrapped around the bumper. When the state trooper stopped by as I was waiting for AAA, he looked at it and said "retread" and I said, nope. He couldn't believe it.
I would never buy retreads - ever. See too much separation remnants on the roads from 18 wheelers.
Did you know (don't know if it's still true) that school buses in WCPSS were allowed to use retreads on the tandem rear tire sets?
living the dream Feb 15, 12:37 p.m.
Tire pressure monitors are one of the best safety inventions of late. All vehicles sold in the US since 2008 must be equipped with low tire pressure warning system. We don't yet know the cause of this accident, but if low tire pressure caused a blowout, then sidewall damage will be visible on inside of the tires sidewall.
smegma Feb 15, 12:32 p.m.
unbelievable. kids ejected from the car. we know exactly what that means.
you see it all the time on the highway. these pathetic parents letting their kids jump all over the car with no seatbelt. totally. inexcusable. free a non-violent drug offender and replace the cell with a neglectful parent
Sweet summertime Feb 15, 12:11 p.m.
Sad. praying for the family.
kimisufu Feb 15, 12:01 p.m.
I had a tire blow several years ago and thankfully I was in my cul-de-sac going less than 10mph. Even going very slowly I lost control of my vehicle and ran up on the curb and into my neighbor's front yard. Then I had one of the infamous Explorers blow a tire and come into my lane and almost hit me head on. What a terrifying experience. I do not mess around with tires. Check them. Go into debt for them if you have to.
Scubagirl Feb 15, 11:58 a.m.
I will NEVER buy used tires, EVER. And to Mike H--checking something that could save your life is far from excessive. Sadly many just figure if the car is running, has gas then all is good.....not true.
Spock Feb 15, 11:43 a.m.
GravyPig has some very good points... I say check the cell phone first then look at the mechanical aspects.
The Anti Hans Feb 15, 11:17 a.m.
Thanks for explaining that, GravyPig. Most people have *no* idea how much is riding on their tires, and how a little bit of care and attention can go a long way towards making us all safer. I'm in the habit of checking all of my tires weekly. Probably seems excessive to most people, but after over a million miles of driving my my 23+ year driving career, I've yet to have any sort of blowout.
GravyPig Feb 15, 10:39 a.m.
Also, tires don't "blow out" like they used to. Not saying it can't happen, but an actual blowout is a rare thing these days. Most times what happens is a tire goes flat from a leak and it is ignored. When the tire gets to roughly 20psi or lower the sidewalls start to flex excessively as the tire rolls around. This causes excessive heat, the sidewalls wear out from the heat and friciton and you go from low pressure to no pressure in seconds.
This is the same reason there were problems with Ford Explorers and Firestone tires. Load that SUV down with a bunch of people and luggage, leave the tires at the factory 26psi and you get the same result. The sidewall gets hot, rubs against it's self and *pop* goes the tire.
GravyPig Feb 15, 10:31 a.m.
"Tires are *so* neglected. Have seen some *baldies* on cars/whatever that scare me to death. It's like, they're still rolling so we'll just ignore them. So sad for this family. What a terrible price to pay! Also two children ejected - maybe not buckled in?? Buckle your precious cargo in, people!!!"
Yep, tires are THE most important part of a car besides brakes. They are also the most neglected. People try to save money my putting on "used" tires, only problem is that you have no idea of that tires service history and there is usually a reason that tire is no longer on the car it came off of.
I had a guy come into the shop to have a vehicle checked out for a prospective buyer. I told them that the tires are worn out. The owner calls BS and says he just put tires on recently. He put on used tires that were already at replacement levels and wanted to argue that the tires were ok. I see this type of stuff all the time in this industry. Pure neglect.
angelienna Feb 15, 10:21 a.m.
I blew a tire on higway 40 in a Grand Cherokee... luckily my tire pressure light has just come on so I had slowed down and got in the far right lane so I could exit.. so when it blew, I was already slowing down and had better control of the car. Prayers for those involved.. tires are expensive, but good, well maintained tires can help save lives!
luvstoQ Feb 15, 10:19 a.m.
Tires are *so* neglected. Have seen some *baldies* on cars/whatever that scare me to death. It's like, they're still rolling so we'll just ignore them. So sad for this family. What a terrible price to pay! Also two children ejected - maybe not buckled in?? Buckle your precious cargo in, people!!!
tar97heel Feb 15, 10:02 a.m.
Cause still under investigation, but here's a good opportunity to tell SUV drivers, please keep your tire pressure up and checked every 2 weeks. I can't tell you how many SUVs I've passed on 40, running 75-80mph with what looks like 10PSI on one tire here and there. YOu shoudl have to have a special operator's license to drive something with a center of gravity over a certain amount. Until then, underinflation accidents will continue to occur. Not saying this was one, but many are.
yubel40 Feb 15, 9:43 a.m.
it is sad and more that this is what a blew tire can do i cant imagine my tire blowing on me on the highway...
AFLOWERS Feb 15, 9:40 a.m.
There is a thing in the bottom of picture two that looks like it may be a booster seat but I can't tell for sure... So sad :-(
Prayers for the family. I can't imagine losing my child.
Country Girlz Have MORE fun Feb 15, 9:39 a.m.
I saw a accident happen on I40 as a tire blew out on a SUV. It was horrible. The Suv flipped. I know money is tight and tires are the last thing anyone worries about unless it goes flat, BUT it is dangerious & should be a priority.
Scubagirl Feb 15, 9:35 a.m.
mike honcho Feb 15, 9:28 a.m.
I dont see any child seats in the picture, properly restrained occupants do not get ejected. Thoughts and prayers for the victims and thier families.
aetius476 Feb 15, 9:27 a.m.
Were the children restrained, properly secured in child seats?
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03