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  • MadMaxx Feb 18, 10:40 a.m.

    so lets get this straight, if it is a federal crime to cross the border illegally, and then they say that it is ok, then shouldn't bank robbery (federal crime) be ok as well. Exactly which laws are ok to break and which ones are not. Just seeking an answer.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 18, 8:23 a.m.

    Why are so many of you so riled about the voter ID. The opposition to such a simple problem tells me there is more too than people want to say.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 18, 8:21 a.m.

    maybe we should chuck ALL laws out the window because people are going to break the laws anyway. C'mon, come up with something better than THAT!
    Blueboxinggloves

    You need to pay attention, a lot of laws are going unenforced for one reason or another. The crumbling continues

  • Blueboxinggloves Feb 15, 7:38 p.m.

    I am SO sick of the LAME argument that we should give illegal immigrants drivers licenses because "they are going to drive anyway". Using that stupid logic, maybe we should chuck ALL laws out the window because people are going to break the laws anyway. C'mon, come up with something better than THAT!

  • tsquaring Feb 15, 6:13 p.m.

    Deport them.

  • DaddysAngel27 Feb 15, 5:45 p.m.

    This is just wrong! You should have to be a U.S. Citizen to obtain a driver's license!

  • Terkel Feb 15, 5:20 p.m.

    If voter ID is an evil plot to keep minorities from voting, then having the polls open only one day and a workday at that, was all along an evil plot to deny working people their vote.

  • Terkel Feb 15, 5:15 p.m.

    When it comes to voter fraud, there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Voting twice, for example, violates both tenets. Busing in a group of old people from church with prefilled ballots, or "showing" them which way to vote, may not violate the letter but violates the spirit. JMHO.

  • RadioDJ Feb 15, 5:11 p.m.

    Cons just LOVE to trot out "Their" version of the Constitution and wave it all over the place while threatening to bring whatever pain they think is necessary when it suits THEIR purposes. But when they think it BENEFITS them to either ignore the Constitution or abandon it altogether, then it's "toss her out the winder buddy!". Voter ID laws which disallow any legitimate citizen of the United States from practicing their RIGHT to vote is in effect REVOKING the Constitutional RIGHT to vote. Now, if you mention a GUN to any of them, baby, look out! You be messin with THEIR rights. But as long as it's not "messin with sasquatch" they are fine with it. We have right wing parrots like crumpy here all day long talking about her rights, but it's okay to stomp all over everyone elses when she thinks it's about minorities or someone else. I'm just TICKLED that it's Republicans doing this so they only have themselves to blame on this issue.

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 4:35 p.m.

    Voter ID: It's constitutional

    Not quite!

    So far the only voter ID that has stood up in higher courts is the one where you DO NOT NEED ID to vote.

    They can ASK for it.

    But if you don't have it you STILL get to vote, and just have to provide a signed form that you are who you say you are.

    Which is exactly as useful as the CURRENT system- but more expensive and cumbersome since the taxpayers have to do extra work to pay for those forms and pay to file them someplace...and pay to give free IDs to anyone who wants them (but still does not actually NEED them to vote).

    It's inferior to what we have now in every way.

    Nice job GOP!

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 4:32 p.m.

    like I said junkmail5, I was under no delusion that facts would change your mind.-=JohnDrescher

    You still seem to be under the delusion you presented any though.

    You didn't

    You lied about what the AG said, then to support it you posted a WSJ article quoting a guy so racist he was denied a government appointment by congress over it, and who hates the justice dept. as a result because they too were against him in the nomination.

    And even THAT guy didn't claim the quote you gave was something the AG ever said. He himself (the discredited racist) simply said folks over in justice felt that way, with nothing to prove that.

    That isn't a fact dude. That's total fabrication from a totally discredited person.

    Even better- you vauge-sourced just a little too much and I was able to catch you on all this deception.

    You're literally the only person who believe you have any credibility left in this discussion, sorry.

  • happymom Feb 15, 4:24 p.m.

    "Voter ID: It's constitutional,"

    That's not likely because it deprives people who are constitutionally entitled to vote of their rights.

  • beef Feb 15, 4:04 p.m.

    Voter ID: It's constitutional, it's popular, and it's coming to NC!!!

  • sunshine1040 Feb 15, 3:59 p.m.

    and what makes anyone believe they will follow driving rules any more then they did immigration rules? Sorry but illegal means against the rules When they apply for license send them back home to get proper documents at their own expense the same way they got here

  • working for deadbeats Feb 15, 3:59 p.m.

    Why not? They get everything else they whine for.

  • That Explains It Feb 15, 3:58 p.m.

    like I said junkmail5, I was under no delusion that facts would change your mind. Calling me names and derogatorily labeling others may be the Progressive Liberal way for dealing with contrary information, but it does nothing to substantiate you position. Fortunately, that is all too apparent.

  • Stringbean Feb 15, 3:35 p.m.

    its the beginning of the end. You can only turn a blind eye for so long. We need to vote out the people that let things like this happen.

  • happymom Feb 15, 3:12 p.m.

    "There were a couple people last year sometimes who got busted for voter fraud, and guess who they voted multiple times for? Barry Hussein Obama."

    Across the country and across elections, however, voter fraud tends to favor Republicans. And like was pointed out earlier, it is far more prevalent in absentee voting. (I tried to post a link to a WSJ article here but the posting police won't let it pass).

    Voter ID laws aren't likely to have much of an impact on voting fraud. They are, however, almost guaranteed to prevent certain segments of the population from exercising their Constitutional right to vote. And that's exactly what they are designed to do in the first place. If they weren't, Repubs would be all over the absentee ballot fraud- which is a real problem backed by lots of evidence.

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 3:04 p.m.

    so to you fraund isnt fraud unless... - Crumps Br0ther

    Unless there's actual evidence it happened.

    You know, just like pretty much every other fact in the world.

    That's kind of how facts work.

    Try them sometime!

    If showing ID can prevent a ONE vote from being cast fraudulently then its worth it.-Crumps Br0ther

    Actually, no, it's not.

    If it stops ONE case of in person fraud but also denies ANY real legit voter the right to vote it's not worth it.

    And FACTS suggest the ratio would be more like 1:10,000 or more fraud: real voter blocked from voting.

    Because denying someone rights is NEVER worth "catching" a guilty person.

    That's the entire basis of our system of government.

    It's why you're innocent till proven guilty, and our justice system is intended to occasionally fail to convict a guilty person because convicting an innocent one is SO much worse.

    There are people legal to vote without ID. Many thousands. They exist.

    In-person fraud? Not so much.

  • happymom Feb 15, 3:03 p.m.

    " The NC-DMV has been doing this for years! Need proof, Spanish drivers guide and exam."

    That is not proof that illegal immigrants are getting licenses. That *is* proof that Spanish-speaking people are. Just because someone's first language is Spanish does not mean that person is here illegally.

  • tran Feb 15, 3:03 p.m.

    Many of them drive now without licenses.

  • C6-YA Feb 15, 2:58 p.m.

    This is news. The NC-DMV has been doing this for years! Need proof, Spanish drivers guide and exam.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 2:47 p.m.

    racism -- alive and well
    bombayrunner

    Yep and all over the world. You should hear Germans talk about the illegal Turkish people in their country. Quit being so jingoistic in thinking America is the only place bad things happen.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 2:45 p.m.

    And the insane clown posse just keeps right on rolling. NC is getting all kinds of national attention these days. Just none of it good. Gotta love us some right wing legislators and everything that is so important to them (well, except what they were voted in to do, and that was to work on JOBS). Thus far, it's Jobs Bills = 0, every other backward social issue on the agenda = 99
    RadioDJ

    And I say this again if Bev was worth a spit she would have run again. But the DNC abandoned her because she was worthless. The party wrote off the state because Barry barely won it in 2008. So anyway, you can either move somwhere else or what is it you progs like to say? Oh yah "You lost so get over it!"

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 2:41 p.m.

    And I get what you are saying about voter fraud. When it does happen, it tends to be Republicans that actually commit it (like in the case of the Lightfoot woman who was just removed from DHHS), according to the sparse data in existence. But Dems are more likely to get blamed for it.

    happymom

    There were a couple people last year sometimes who got busted for voter fraud, and guess who they voted multiple times for? Barry Hussein Obama.

    So yes dems do get blamed more because they do it more

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 2:40 p.m.

    So just a little bit of fraud is OK?- Crumps Br0ther

    Can you show me your examples of even this "little bit"?

    I mean actual examples, not "You heard from a guy at a voting place once" stories.

    And not "Here's a story about fraud!" and it turns out to be a story about something that is NOT in-person voter fraud (like absentee fraud, or registration mistakes)
    junkmail5

    so to you fraund isnt fraud unless...

    Its all about the nuance right? Kind of like when Whoopi Goldberg said it "wasn't rape, rape" in the Roman Polanski case? Can you imagine if a conservative had said that?

    Just because it isnt happening at a level you see as exceptional doesnt mean it doesnt happen and shouldnt be looked into. I thought all you progs were about fairness and level playing fields.

    If new guns laws can save the life of ONE child then its worth it

    If showing ID can prevent a ONE vote from being cast fraudulently then its worth it.

    It's all about the nuance

  • RustyDawg Feb 15, 2:37 p.m.

    I think this is a great idea. Create some revenue and at least have a photo and some record of their existance. The goverment will do anything to track everyone!

  • miketroll3572 Feb 15, 2:36 p.m.

    No, but once you let your insurance lapse, the company will contact the DMV. You will be fined and the next time you try to get insurance, it will cost more. And if you don't pay that fine, a bench warrant will eventually be issued so while the police may not be notified immediately, they will be able to act on a bench warrant (if it comes to that).

    Thats one foolish statement and not true. I know quite a few illegals and they could careless. You think the liberal establishment is going to waste manpower tracking who actually has insurance? Your ignorace is truly amazing.

  • miketroll3572 Feb 15, 2:34 p.m.

    They should be deporting the criminal illegal immigrants who are here illegally instead of giving them drivers licenses.

    Well said, its typical of liberals to break the laws to forward their objective, which is more illegal voting which has been proven to be in the liberal playbook.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 2:33 p.m.

    Liberal give Liberals wavers. All you need do is check out Cosco and REI, political donations and political appointments going hand-in-hand with political wavers.
    JohnDrescher

    I agree. Rich people are evil unless they are democrats. Im well aware of their hypocrisy and double standards

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 2:31 p.m.

    Here's the actual link to the WSJ that John, knowing his quote had no basis in fact, refused to actually give-

    http://goo.gl/JXLs8

    It was in the Feb _9_ edition of the WSJ, not the 8th as JohnDresher claimed.

    And it contains no such quote as he originally provided from the AG.

    It contains no quote from the AG -at all-

    Instead it repeatedly quotes a Mr Hans von Spakovsky... (who provides the second quote when John tried to give us a 'source' though he left off who the quote was ACTUALLY from).

    Mr Spakovsky is this guy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_von_Spakovsky

    "von Spakovsky's nomination was opposed by Senate Democrats, who argued that his oversight of voter laws was unacceptably partisan and that he had consistently acted to disenfranchise poor and minority voters Opposition to the nomination was bolstered by objections from career Justice Department staff

    So a racist with a grudge against the justice dept.

    That's your "source" for something you have no proof of.

  • more cowbell Feb 15, 2:30 p.m.

    Where else in the free world can someone enter any host nation and demand they be treated equally as legal citizens? If I went to Mexico and demanded to be treated the same as legal residents, the first thing they would do (after stealing all my money and possession for personal use) is lock me up for about 10 years. If I didn't die in prison, they would simply put me back in and wait until I did so.

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 2:23 p.m.

    junkmail5, against my better judgement I am going to go against my standing rule, and provide you with the source, rather than expect you do the work yourself. As an obvious Progressive Liberal, I am under no delusions that you 1) would do the work yourself if you could instead have someone else do the work for you, and 2) will change your mind irregardless of any facts that may come your way.

    "The Justice Department dismissed the case because they did not believe, and did not want, the Voting Rights Act used to protect white voters or to prosecute black defendants. We know that's the case because political appointees within the Justice Department said that in front of witnesses, and those witnesses eventually testified under oath."
    JohnDresche

    and since I realize you are a regressive conservative who doesn't know what a fact or a source is...

    The source you provided does NOT contain the quote you claimed the AG uttered. It's from a critic of the AG

    So your source...isn't one.

  • bill0 Feb 15, 2:19 p.m.

    " Second, if she dropped the kid here, isn't she (unfortunately) here legally because of being her little citizen's immediate family? - Morrigan"

    No. This is just a lie put forth by some anti-immigration folks. Even if the child is a citizen, the parent is still illegal. There are provisions for "family reunification", but the parent would still have to be applying for legal entry to the US and they (currently) can't do that while living here.

  • ssicctv Feb 15, 2:17 p.m.

    Yeah, and these illegal immigrants better have car insurances if they ever get in an accident with me.

  • happymom Feb 15, 2:11 p.m.

    "hey don't need to pay insurance for several months, only one. That gets them a piece of paper that says they have insurance, just in case they get pulled over. Once a year they simply need to pay one premium, then cancel the insurance. The police can not check this from their patrol cars. "

    No, but once you let your insurance lapse, the company will contact the DMV. You will be fined and the next time you try to get insurance, it will cost more. And if you don't pay that fine, a bench warrant will eventually be issued so while the police may not be notified immediately, they will be able to act on a bench warrant (if it comes to that).

  • That Explains It Feb 15, 1:59 p.m.

    junkmail5, against my better judgement I am going to go against my standing rule, and provide you with the source, rather than expect you do the work yourself. As an obvious Progressive Liberal, I am under no delusions that you 1) would do the work yourself if you could instead have someone else do the work for you, and 2) will change your mind irregardless of any facts that may come your way.

    The information is abundant throughout the internet because it comes directly from testimony presented to congress. A recent citation can be found in the Wall Street Journal, Feb. 8, 2013. The relevant paragraph reads:

    "The Justice Department dismissed the case because they did not believe, and did not want, the Voting Rights Act used to protect white voters or to prosecute black defendants. We know that's the case because political appointees within the Justice Department said that in front of witnesses, and those witnesses eventually testified under oath."

  • Pepe Silvia Feb 15, 1:55 p.m.

    "Mayra Aguilar, a student, said...she will now be eligible for a license.
    "I hope to give my daughter a better future, and with this driver's license, I am able to do that," she said.

    .... First, a student with a child and no husband mentioned. They learn the game quick. Second, if she dropped the kid here, isn't she (unfortunately) here legally because of being her little citizen's immediate family? - Morrigan

    Morrigan, it was a ONE SENTENCE quote not a life story... I see no where in that ONE SENTENCE that the mention of a husband would be expected.

  • happymom Feb 15, 1:49 p.m.

    junkmail,

    Give up. People have to be willing to hear what you are saying before it will have any impact. Right now it seems that most folks don't want facts to influence their opinions.

    And I get what you are saying about voter fraud. When it does happen, it tends to be Republicans that actually commit it (like in the case of the Lightfoot woman who was just removed from DHHS), according to the sparse data in existence. But Dems are more likely to get blamed for it.

    And as for the DMV issue: from a practical standpoint, not giving these folks a license is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Regardless of one's stance on immigration, these folks are here; they do drive- with or without a license; and they will continue to be here and drive. Not licensing them so that they can be regulated like the rest of us just makes sense.

  • ConservativeVoter Feb 15, 1:41 p.m.

    They should be deporting the criminal illegal immigrants who are here illegally instead of giving them drivers licenses.

  • junkmail5 Feb 15, 1:37 p.m.

    So just a little bit of fraud is OK?- Crumps Br0ther

    Can you show me your examples of even this "little bit"?

    I mean actual examples, not "You heard from a guy at a voting place once" stories.

    And not "Here's a story about fraud!" and it turns out to be a story about something that is NOT in-person voter fraud (like absentee fraud, or registration mistakes)

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 15, 1:28 p.m.

    can't believe a GOP legislature is doing this. They won't get many votes next election.
    BubbaDukeforPresident

    not from their base, but all those new drivers might remember the favor, and thats the whole point. You have to sell out to minorities to will elections. Liberals have known this for awhile, thats why they take from you to give to them

  • RadioDJ Feb 15, 1:27 p.m.

    And the insane clown posse just keeps right on rolling. NC is getting all kinds of national attention these days. Just none of it good. Gotta love us some right wing legislators and everything that is so important to them (well, except what they were voted in to do, and that was to work on JOBS). Thus far, it's Jobs Bills = 0, every other backward social issue on the agenda = 99

  • North Carolina Cutie Feb 15, 1:26 p.m.

    The republicans is doing this they want the latino votes now they know that's how President Obama beat them. They have to eat thier words the way they talked about the latino.

  • That Explains It Feb 15, 1:17 p.m.

    raleighlynn, you are silly. They don't need to pay insurance for several months, only one. That gets them a piece of paper that says they have insurance, just in case they get pulled over. Once a year they simply need to pay one premium, then cancel the insurance. The police can not check this from their patrol cars. They won't even bother to check it later because, 1) they would be accused of profiling, 2) the police refuse to do what they feel is a Federal effort. But what you suggest is simply one more example of my earlier point: To wit, if you remain in this country illegally you MUST commit a wide range of crimes in order to simply survive. It is impossible to do otherwise.

  • bombayrunner Feb 15, 1:16 p.m.

    racism -- alive and well

  • bombayrunner Feb 15, 1:15 p.m.

    bombayrunner, I suggest you go to Mexico and try living there as a "Mexican without papers"! Let us know how that works out.
    Yankee1

    Actually its not a problem. Have pleanty of friends that lived down there and some still do. They appreciate work given around the home and are a welcoming sort of folks.

  • maybelle Feb 15, 1:14 p.m.

    How many realise you can stay in most foreign countries 6 months then you are deported. No questions, or anything. I think the US should do this.

  • That Explains It Feb 15, 1:12 p.m.

    birkie74693, its not about me, so calling me names won't further your argument. It's also not about "Hispanics", it's about people who enter this country and commit crimes. Quite frankly, your attempt to lump all Hispanics into the category of Illegal immigrants is the epitome of racist thought. Not all (or even most) Hispanics are illegal aliens and not all Illegal aliens are Hispanic.

  • bill0 Feb 15, 1:10 p.m.

    Killian: "My question is this: who is going to pay for their insurance?"

    They are. You have to show proof of insurance to get a drivers license in NC. It is WAY better to have licensed, insured drivers on the road vs the way we are handling it now.

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