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  • Lightfoot3 Feb 15, 10:09 a.m.

    “I am say that this situation is a PERFECT example of why gun rights should be protected at all costs!!” – Its the who what


    I wouldn’t say it’s a “perfect” example, but the reason why it’s not on the gun rights debate is that no one challenged it. No one made issue of gun ownership in this incident. This is a self-defense issue. He could have used a bat, a knife, etc. and we’d still have the same situation (minus the hollow points).


    “you would rather throw jabs at the NAACP for supporting this man's cause” – Its the who what


    I didn’t throw jabs. I’m glad the NAACP helped him.


    “You just want a select few people to carry” – Its the who what


    Anyone that meets the LEGAL requirements can carry.

  • Its the who what Feb 14, 3:06 p.m.

    This wasn't a gun rights issue. But the defense should have definitely countered the claim that hollow point bullets are only used by murderers. Lightfoot3

    Yeah automatic weapons are only used by murderers too!!! Not saying that this a gun rights issue I am say that this situation is a PERFECT example of why gun rights should be protected at all costs!! Yet NO gun rights owners are speaking up!!! I wonder why??? The NRA should have supported this man and fought for his release based on the right to bear arms and protect his family. Yet you would rather throw jabs at the NAACP for supporting this man's cause. Where was the NRA? This tells me that you do not care about the rights for ALL to bear arms. You just want a select few people to carry. I can't wait for the NRA to extend an invitation to McNeil to be an honored guest at their next rally. Yeah that WON'T happen.

  • free2bme Feb 14, 2:18 p.m.

    NC Joe, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Step into reality. There is no way someone coming on your property with a weapon threatening your family is right. Even if he is a contractor, there is a way he should conduct himself professionally. It sounds like you feel it would have been better if his 19 year old son would've shot the man instead of the father. If someone comes to your home to threaten your family and actually approaches you, you evidently feel that you should do nothing & hope you live. I myself choose to protect my family til the end.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 1:54 p.m.

    "Don't know the story, but were the police called ?" - evenflow2005


    Yes. 911 told McNeil to wait. But McNeil was mad that Epp was there & had threatened his son, so he got out of his car & argued. Epp took something from his truck, put it in his pocket & advanced on McNeil. McNeil warned him to stop, fired a warning shot, & another shot (at 3 feet) as Epp charged him. Witnesses confirmed this. Because McNeil told 911 he was going to whup Epp's tail, & because his used hollowpoints, jury said it was murder. If the jury was all or mostly white, I'd wonder about race. Yes, McNeil was mad, there was history, etc., but with Epp's prior history of threatening and being a hothead, Epp on McNeil's property, the witness testimony that backed up McNeil, his son testifying he was threatened, and the knife in the pocket, I'm surprised McNeil was convicted. Jurors are notoriously stupid. Guilty or innocent, a jury is a scary thing to face.

  • wakemom Feb 14, 12:10 p.m.

    This guy did what every gun rights support SAYS they would do. When the lady in Georgia shot the guy that broke in her house, gun rights supporters came out from every rock and said she was a hero? This guy does the same thing and gets LIFE in prison!!! Where are my gun rights people at??? Everybody has a problem with the NAACP showing up but the NRA should have been the ones leading the fight!! Where were they at? I guess gun rights pertinent depending on who you are shooting.
    Its the who what

    BINGO!

  • evenflow2005 Feb 14, 11:44 a.m.

    Don't know the story, but were the police called ? Or did they show up after the fact, as usual.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 11:18 a.m.

    "Everybody has a problem with the NAACP showing up" - Its the who what


    I didn't have a problem, but I do wonder about the racial makeup of the jury. Anyone know? I was surprised at Epp's picture because I had assumed he was a middle-aged bumpkin, not some young clean cut 30 something. I'm sure the DA played it up. But anyone can be a bully and threat. I'm sure people were surprised at the 16 year old white robber that just got shot in Hoke County.


    "NRA should have been the ones leading the fight!!" - Its the who what


    This wasn't a gun rights issue. But the defense should have definitely countered the claim that hollow point bullets are only used by murderers.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 11:13 a.m.

    McNeill definitely wanted to kick Epp's tail for the threats and such, but this wasn't premediated murder. Epp was a known bully and hothead. Another couple that used him said they bought a gun to protect themselves from him and boarded up their windows because he would spy on them. On scene witnesses said that Epps charged McNeill, apparently after putting something in his pocket from his truck. He had already threatend the son with a "blade", so McNeill rightfully assumed he was armed. McNeill's anger on the 911 call doesn't mean he intended to kill Epp. And hollow point bullets are a COMMON defensive round, despite what the jury thinks of them.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 10:59 a.m.

    "Epp was on the property because he was the contractor." - NCJoe


    Apparently removing items to use eslewhere. Even if he was the builder, it wasn't his property and he was told to leave but didn't.


    ""threatened child" was 19 years old and big enough to take care of himself" - NCJoe


    Against a weapon?


    ""deadly weapon" was a contractor's utility knife" -NCJoe


    What did the 911 highjackers use?


    "still in his pocket when he died" -NCJoe

    Cause he was shot before he had a chance to use it?

    "McNeil said "I'm going to whip his a##"." - NCJoe

    Yep, he was angry about his son being threatend on his own property.

    "That's premeditation" - NCJoe

    Of assault, not murder 1. And it was in the heat of the moment of rushing home to confront a man threatening his son.

    "The jurors still stand behind their decision" - NCJoe

    One of the reasons they cited was the hollow point bullets. Clearly they're ignorant.

  • Its the who what Feb 14, 10:44 a.m.

    This guy did what every gun rights support SAYS they would do. When the lady in Georgia shot the guy that broke in her house, gun rights supporters came out from every rock and said she was a hero? This guy does the same thing and gets LIFE in prison!!! Where are my gun rights people at??? Everybody has a problem with the NAACP showing up but the NRA should have been the ones leading the fight!! Where were they at? I guess gun rights pertinent depending on who you are shooting.

  • wakemom Feb 14, 10:43 a.m.

    cantbtaught,
    Are you just mad because you dont like Barber?? Plus youre stating the 911 call. What is the difference between those defending the guy that killed Trayvon Martin's 911 call when he was told to not follow the kid anymore. Stay in your truck?

  • wakemom Feb 14, 10:42 a.m.

    So now we are parading this man, WHO SHOT AND KILLED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, as some kind of martyr???? Just wait until the fire storm settles down and Barber and his propoganda machine move on to the next cause and he is right back in the headlines. Once a killer it never leaves the soul! The story around the story is headline news for now but "The dogs spots can't change" as they say.
    cantbtaught

    Question how did you feel about Trayvon Martin's killing? The kid had no weapon but was followed and shot to death?

  • Country Girlz Have MORE fun Feb 14, 9:42 a.m.

    I feel sorry for this man...all of this was just WRONG !

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 8:54 a.m.

    Here's what sunk McNeil:


    First, seemingly a poor lawyer. Then, the 911 call in which he says he's going to beat Epp up (understandable given the threat against his son, and the dude's on his property). And amazingly, the fact that he had hollow-point bullets instead of ball ammunition in his gun. The jurors said in interviews that they focused on the 911 call, and the bullets. Sounds like they paid less attention to the actual shooting. I might switch back to ball ammunition myself. You never know when you might get a stupid jury.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 14, 8:52 a.m.

    "he fired a "warning shot" which is what you never do" - DooksucksV3

    Agreed. But people often do that, in an attempt to NOT have to shoot the person. Real murderers don't fire warning shoots.

    "according to witnesses he was never approached by the guy he shot" - DooksucksV3

    I've read that witnesses coroborated his version of events. Plus Epp was on McNeil's property. Plus Epp's son testified he was threatened by Epp. Plus another couple said they got a gun because they feared Epp's threats. Plus police thought it self defense.

  • wakemom Feb 14, 8:44 a.m.

    I have read about this case at previous times, first he fired a "warning shot" which is what you never do. Second, according to witnesses he was never approached by the guy he shot so there was no immediate danger. Messed up situation all around, you have to be very careful.
    DooksucksV3

    Why cant you shot a warning shot? And two youre saying according to witnesses he was never approached. Obviously there must be something you know that I didnt just read because it says otherwise. Plus the initial report said self-defense.

  • aegunc Feb 14, 8:43 a.m.

    Ummm a guy is on YOUR property with a weapon threatening YOUR child and won't leave?! What is there to be careful about,this is a no-brainer?! It is sad that the perpetrator is dead however that's the risk you take when you're committing a criminal act...

  • workerbee Feb 14, 8:42 a.m.

    I guess this is another example of the hazards of owning a gun for protection. It's not only about knowing how to use a gun but also completely understanding the consequences of firing it at a person. This isn't the first guy that thought he had the law on his side when he used his gun on his property only to find out he was wrong. Don't forget the guy in Durham that shot and killed a kid that he found in his garage and then in the back as the kid was running away. He almost ended up in jail too. Maybe should have.

  • itlsss Feb 14, 8:37 a.m.

    Are Barber and he cojoined?

  • Defiant Feb 14, 8:35 a.m.

    I think the NAACP needs to leave this poor guy alone. Let his family and friends help him. I am tired of seeing the NAACP vying for photo ops with this guy.

  • DooksucksV3 Feb 14, 8:09 a.m.

    I have read about this case at previous times, first he fired a "warning shot" which is what you never do. Second, according to witnesses he was never approached by the guy he shot so there was no immediate danger.
    Messed up situation all around, you have to be very careful.

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