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  • Come On_Seriously Feb 14, 2:47 p.m.

    "they'll find a way to waste it on something. And we all know Barrycare is going to be a cluster, but we are boned with it now" CrumpsBr0ther

    Hmmm... I didn't know that "we all know it will be a cluster" was such a precise forecasting method. Regardless, there is just no substitute for the simple elegance of language in the conservative mantras.

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 2:37 p.m.

    Here's an idea: For every dollar of increased employee compensaton required to be paid by employers, reduce the amount of welfare paid out by a dollar. I mean, now that people can make more money they should be taking advantage and start working, therefore no longer needing welfare.
    fatchanceimwrong

    that doesn't make any sense at all...

    For one thing, there's only ~4.3 million people on welfare total.

    More than half of those are children, who wouldn't be working anyway.

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 2:12 p.m.

    He should instead be talking with (note I using 'with' not 'to') congress about what he wants to do. - Z Man

    every time he has done that he was just told no.

    So now he's trying a different strategy- where he tries to convince regular people to pressure their congressmen into action on his agenda.

    I don't know that it'll work any better, but it's unlikely to work any worse.

  • fatchanceimwrong Feb 14, 2:01 p.m.

    Here's an idea: For every dollar of increased employee compensaton required to be paid by employers, reduce the amount of welfare paid out by a dollar. I mean, now that people can make more money they should be taking advantage and start working, therefore no longer needing welfare.

  • Z Man Feb 14, 1:35 p.m.

    No he doesn't. It doesn't matter whether he visited or not (on the taxpayers dime none the less). His campaign format speeches do not sway anyone one way or the other. You either support him or (like me) you do not. He should instead be talking with (note I using 'with' not 'to') congress about what he wants to do. It's the congress that obutthead has to impress, not the citizens. And stop hemorrhaging our tax money on campaign-like trips.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 14, 1:00 p.m.

    First, most provisions don't start till 2014, second, CBO says it will SAVE money (small amt).
    junkmail5

    they'll find a way to waste it on something. And we all know Barrycare is going to be a cluster, but we are boned with it now

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 11:10 a.m.

    The overall weakening of the economy really built up steam during the Clinton administration. That's when certain Dem folk pushed the banks to extend mortgage credit on the faith that the market will never implode. That and the NAFTA agreement signed into life that allowed companies to move their operations to other countries. Here's some more insight into that topic: http://tjhancock.wordpress.com/housing-bubble-financial-crisis-detailed-comprehensive-assessment/
    Offshore

    Subprime loans were less than 10% of all loans under Clinton.

    Under bush they were more than 1/3rd of all loans.

    For a bit...broader...perspective on this and the CRA under each president, try this-

    http://prospect.org/article/dont-blame-community-reinvestment-act

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 10:42 a.m.

    If you did Blame them , I never read from what you Write- bmac813

    then you're not reading much.

    I've mentioned Obama being an awful president in a bunch of threads. This one included.

    It is always we are wrong- bmac813

    Because you are among the group I was talking about. People being upset with Obama for imaginary things that never happened.

    Those people ARE always wrong. At least, they're wrong on the things I correct them on. For example-

    Obama and Bush both had a Democratic Controlled House and Senate Who control 80% of the Spending- bmac813

    Congress controls 100% of the spending. Not a single dime is spent from the US Treasury without congress approving it. That's a basic tenet in the US Constitution, which the always wrong folks seem never to have read.

    BUT Obama and his Health Care- bmac813

    Yet again- Virtually 0 current debt is the "fault" of Obamacare. First, most provisions don't start till 2014, second, CBO says it will SAVE money (small amt).

  • Offshore Feb 14, 10:40 a.m.

    The overall weakening economy
    junkmail5

    The overall weakening of the economy really built up steam during the Clinton administration. That's when certain Dem folk pushed the banks to extend mortgage credit on the faith that the market will never implode. That and the NAFTA agreement signed into life that allowed companies to move their operations to other countries. Here's some more insight into that topic:
    http://tjhancock.wordpress.com/housing-bubble-financial-crisis-detailed-comprehensive-assessment/

  • bmac813 Feb 14, 10:27 a.m.

    If you did Blame them , I never read from what you Write. It is always we are wrong No matter what and your Lib Friends are always right.
    All the things that Obama Promised in 2008 he never came across on, SO What makes you think he is Telling you the Truth Now.
    By the Way we never said Obama alone cause the Debt, Obama and Bush both had a Democratic Controlled House and Senate Who control 80% of the Spending. BUT Obama and his Health Care, and all The Money he gave to his Bankrupt Friends helped, Plus no Hiring and Job Creation. When you create Jobs you Create Tax Money, Call Obama and tell him That. Bush for SIX and OBAMA for TWO, NOW you People want to Controll Both Houses? WOW

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 9:39 a.m.

    Junkmail, Do you sleep good at night? - bmac813

    Great actually, thanks for asking!

    Did you ever Blame Obama or the Democrats for ANYTHING?- bmac813

    yes, for the things they ACTUALLY DID that are blameworthy.

    There's lots of them.

    Which is why I don't get people like yourself just making up stuff to be mad at them about.

    There's plenty of REAL things they ACTUALLY DID to be mad about.

    Be mad they kill american citizens without due process. Be mad they have delivered none of the transparency they promised. Be mad they've offered no real plan to reduce spending. Be mad Obamacare is a terrible compromise that extends coverage without fixing cost problems. Be mad he's pushing useless gun control measures. And on and on.

    But no, instead the right is mad he's a sekrit muslim born in Kenya who gives away free phones, personally killed people in Benghazi, and has caused every penny of our debt including the many trillions that came before he was elected and other insanity.

  • bmac813 Feb 14, 9:00 a.m.

    Junkmail, Do you sleep good at night? Do you Toss and Turn thinking these thing up?
    Did you ever Blame Obama or the Democrats for ANYTHING?
    You sound like Alan Combs, Nothing the Lib's do is bad, he Just Blames the GOP. Don't you people ever take Responsibility for things that are Bad?

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 8:55 a.m.

    All the things Clinton took Credit for were done by Others, Like Newt.- bmac813

    If Clinton doesn't get to take credit for a good economy and surpluses then Obama doesn't get to take the blame for a bad economy and deficits.

    You can't have it both ways.

  • bmac813 Feb 14, 8:55 a.m.

    Yes he did Nancy, Your drinking it now, And It is Sour.

  • junkmail5 Feb 14, 8:54 a.m.

    Here's the actual math on the turnaround including who is to blame for how much- junkmail5

    WHAT A LOAD!- Mep

    I'm sorry you don't like math, but it doesn't make it any less true.

    The Clinton "surplus" was at best in the hundred billion dollar range, and was on paper only. It came about through careful bipartisan cooperation with Newt. It did not even last... by the time Clinton left office, the govt was once again in the red- Mep

    No, they weren't.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

    Real surpluses. Really.

    The CBO projected a 5.9 trillion surplus over the next 10 years when Bush came into office.

    Bush turned that into trillions in debt instead.

    Obama certainly hasn't improved the situation, but he wasn't the cause of it.

    The 3 biggest factors were:

    The Bush tax cuts
    The Bush wars
    The overall weakening economy

    Seriously, watch the video, the math is right there.

  • bmac813 Feb 14, 8:51 a.m.

    If Clinton's Economy was so Great WHY did the Stock Market Fall 47% in the Last nine months of his Time in Office. All the things Clinton took Credit for were done by Others, Like Newt.
    Three months into Office Clinton didn't even have a cabinet picket and on the radio one of his Out front people said that They created 2 Million Jobs, That afternoon another Spokes peoson was on the News saying that they created 5 Million Jobs, That night on CROSS FIRE Carville Was on saying that they Created 7 Million Jobs, I remember saying to my Wife , How in the H E L L did they craete so many Jobs when he diesn't even have a cabinet picked yet.
    Clinton's numbers were always Phoney, JUST like him.

  • tgentry1005 Feb 13, 7:54 p.m.

    How many million did this photo op cost the taxpayers???

  • mep Feb 13, 7:47 p.m.

    That's because Bush inherited a projected 6 trillion dollar SURPLUS from Clinton.

    That he turned into a 6 trillion dollar addition to the debt instead.

    Obama certainly continued that but it's dishonest to suggest he started it.

    Here's the actual math on the turnaround including who is to blame for how much-
    junkmail5

    WHAT A LOAD!

    The Clinton "surplus" was at best in the hundred billion dollar range, and was on paper only. It came about through careful bipartisan cooperation with Newt. It did not even last... by the time Clinton left office, the govt was once again in the red.

    It is true that Bush "hid" the debt.... but he did it with the help of Congress.

    As for Obama... the recession did add to the deficit. However, Obama passed up plenty of opportunities to cut spending AND wasted nearly a trillion borrowed dollars on the so-called stimulus. Which BTW was suppose to provide the public with quarterly reports on when the money went. 18 months, no reports.

  • hardycitrus Feb 13, 7:38 p.m.

    >>>Obama gives millions to states that sign up the most people on food stamps. Imagine that, a contest for the most welfare....

    And the red states are the clear "winners."

  • highvolt1 Feb 13, 7:32 p.m.

    What a farst.People need to talk to the locals in Asheville & get the real story about this successful business that is helping the economy. The local county taxpayers are footing the bill for this employee. You see none of this in the media

  • Nancy Feb 13, 7:17 p.m.

    He never ran a successful lemonade stand.

  • retroconsultant Feb 13, 6:44 p.m.

    "Yes, that explains why the deficit this year will be lower than anytime in the last 5," - junkmail5

    Better explained by the FACT that there is a Republican Congress to slow him down.

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 6:43 p.m.

    You conveniently leave out the FACT that 0bama added the trillion-dollar stimulus and other spending to that budget. Nicx distortion.-retroconsultant

    No, I didn't.

    Bush was a lousy President, but at least in his second term he wasn't blaming Clinton for the mess he inherited,-retro

    That's because Bush inherited a projected 6 trillion dollar SURPLUS from Clinton.

    That he turned into a 6 trillion dollar addition to the debt instead.

    Obama certainly continued that but it's dishonest to suggest he started it.

    Here's the actual math on the turnaround including who is to blame for how much-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LcvLHHMC4iI

  • retroconsultant Feb 13, 6:43 p.m.

    "No attempt to decrease the rate of debt accrual.- retroconsultant

    "I thought we were gonna stick to things that are actually true?
    Federal spending grew SLOWER under Obama than any president since Eisenhower" - junkmail5

    Debt accrues when you spend more than you take in, it doesn't necessarily occur strictly by increased spending. When income doesn't match spending, most of us would look for a way to cut spending. 0bama has made noises about that, but - like his noises about working with the other party - that is it.

    Please note the comment was about debt accrual, not spending.

  • retroconsultant Feb 13, 6:33 p.m.

    "Most of the new debt in the last 4 years was because the 2009 fiscal year, which was the last BUSH budget, had the largest deficit in the history of the US in it." - junkmail5

    You conveniently leave out the FACT that 0bama added the trillion-dollar stimulus and other spending to that budget. Nicx distortion.

    And I agree with you that Bush was a lousy President, but at least in his second term he wasn't blaming Clinton for the mess he inherited, it was now on his watch.

  • UNC006 Feb 13, 6:26 p.m.

    Bo needs another pseudo jobs plan after the latest CBO projections of looming jobs losses due to Obamacare...

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 6:23 p.m.

    He has done everything in his power to bankrupt America- lessismore

    Yes, that explains why the deficit this year will be lower than anytime in the last 5, and why federal spending has had the SLOWEST growth under Obama than any president since Eisenhower.

    All of which would be the opposite of trying to bankrupt the country.

    Obama has had the longest highest unemployment rate in our countries history -lessimore

    Further confirming that literally EVERYTHING you post is untrue.

    Nicely done!

    You might wanna look into a decade called the 1930s sometime

  • lwe1967 Feb 13, 6:22 p.m.

    He's still campaniging. Why isn't he trying to get a buget passed and doing his job in DC instead of flying around the Country still?

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 6:21 p.m.

    Whatever happened to journalism being about truth? Not exactly an unbiased source.
    timexliving

    Is your google broken to where you couldn't find the 500 other sites that all corroborate that number?

    You know, the number you originally suggested I simply made up.

    The one that's true.

    I await the apology you owe that I'm sure won't be coming :)

  • stonespigot Feb 13, 6:13 p.m.

    Creating jobs. He's put on a clinic in that area. By the way, did you know the Benghazi attack was about a movie?

  • lessismore Feb 13, 6:08 p.m.

    I would rather a president spend more time on vacation, and less of our tax monies. So, in theory, the more vacation a president takes the better off our country is.

  • workingforthosethatwont Feb 13, 6:03 p.m.

    Obama pushed for a higher minimum wage at a re-opened manufacturing plant in Asheville Wednesday because he says Americans who work full-time should not be in poverty....

    but we are! all because of the socialist, taxed to the hilt programs for the freeloading segments of our society.

  • jackflash123 Feb 13, 5:59 p.m.

    "Regardless of what his intentions might be-"

    No, stop right there, whatelseisnew. I was responding to someone who said President Obama didn't even have good intentions. Not that he had ideas she found disagreeable; according to this poster, he actually wants to hurt America, like some kind of comic book villain -- THAT one-dimensional and simple. We can't even begin to talk about ideas when someone is so paranoid and filled w/ hate that she believes something THAT ridiculous.

    Read on. Further down page 6, someone else is actually SUPPORTING that same idea b/c of a single soundbite from the pastor of the church Obama attended in Chicago. There's no chance of reasonable dialogue when people can't put aside unreasonable fears and hatreds long enough to listen, give anything different a chance, or show the slightest amount of human decency and respect for the President of the USA.

  • timexliving Feb 13, 5:53 p.m.

    http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

    "President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation"

    junkmail, This is silly to debate, but since you posted a link, you should read on under "About Politics 365":
    "Politic365 is the premier digital destination for politics and policy related to communities of color."

    Whatever happened to journalism being about truth? Not exactly an unbiased source.

  • lessismore Feb 13, 5:50 p.m.

    Junkmail.... Obama has had the longest highest unemployment rate in our countries history, and by design. He has done everything in his power to bankrupt America, expand welfare, most people on food stamps, and he continues to lie about it. He is telling us the private sector is just fine.....what does that even mean. We have over 200,000 additional government employes under Obama...who do you think pays them? Obama is intentionally doing everything he can to prevent a recovery.

  • timexliving Feb 13, 5:48 p.m.

    timexliving-"I think you broke a record when it comes to making things up."

    "Then prove it."

    PlentyCoups, Are you in 3rd grade or what? Besides, of all the things to argue about, which president took the most vacation is pretty silly.

    The topic to debate is the strategy that government leaders can take to create an atmosphere of job growth. With trillions of dollars spent in stimulus money and other incentives, Obama has been an abysmal failure.

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 5:43 p.m.

    http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

    "President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation"

    there's specific numbers of how long he was where in the story if you want em.

    He broke the 8 year vacation record set by another republican- Ronald Reagan.

    Obamas numbers aren't even close to either.

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 5:40 p.m.

    Whoohoo....there you go again, can't leave GWB out of any conversation. Obama is a lousy president, but it's ok, because GWB was also.-lessismore

    They were both lously, and in pretty similar ways.

    But Bush spent far more time outside of Washington on vacation, which was the point, since you seemed to be singling out Obama for doing that, and it's one of the few areas he's BETTER than the last guy.

    Obama put the majority of voters on unemployment, welfare, food stamps, entitlement- lessismore

    and yet another lie you have no ability to back up, and for which the math doesn't even make sense.

    Seriously, have you ever posted a single thing that was true? I certainly can't think of any.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 13, 5:37 p.m.

    timexliving-"I think you broke a record when it comes to making things up."

    Then prove it.

  • junkmail5 Feb 13, 5:34 p.m.

    I think you broke a record when it comes to making things up.
    timexliving

    No, it's correct.

    Bush took significantly more vacation than any other president.

    Spending a full 1/3rd of his entire 8 year term on vacation.

    They're called facts, try em sometime!

  • timexliving Feb 13, 5:28 p.m.

    "But hey, let’s throw stones at the only one standing up and has an actual idea."

    WooHoo, flowery speeches aren't ideas. That's the only thing that has ever come from Obama's mouth - - - and absolutely no results to go with it.

  • timexliving Feb 13, 5:26 p.m.

    "he'd finally approach how often George W was on vacation.... which was fully 1/3rd of his entire 8 year presidency. By far a record." junkmail

    I think you broke a record when it comes to making things up.

  • timexliving Feb 13, 5:24 p.m.

    In 6 months the plant will be closed. Obama visiting a company seems to be a curse.

  • lessismore Feb 13, 5:23 p.m.

    Obama put the majority of voters on unemployment, welfare, food stamps, entitlements....that's why he won. Voters were forced to vote for Obama or lose all their freebies.

  • atheistswillrule Feb 13, 5:17 p.m.

    While Barry did win the popular vote by about 5 million.... it is estimated that over 3 million Republicans did not vote at all. Mep

    See, even your own side had millions that couldn't stomach the thought of Romney and his ilk in the White House. Thanks for playing.

  • atozca Feb 13, 5:17 p.m.

    "Okaaaaaay, and your theory is that he doesn't even have good intentions, that he is actually maliciously against America, like some Manchurian Candidate spy? Wow."

    Don't know who said this or why, but when I read this quoted comment, the first thing that came to my mind was... well, he sat under the preaching of and claimed a mentor of Reverend GD America. That probably has a little something to do with one thinking that maybe Obama feels that way to.

  • lessismore Feb 13, 5:16 p.m.

    Whoohoo....there you go again, can't leave GWB out of any conversation. Obama is a lousy president, but it's ok, because GWB was also. Most don't agree with you however. Obama will eventually have to take some responsibility for his failures.

  • Barely Feb 13, 5:15 p.m.

    "Guess what haters -President Obama won a second term by a sizeable margin."

    51 to 47% is not a huge margin, especially when only about a third of the nation voted. That's like when the President says "the majority of Americans agree with me". Really? I don't see any logical way he could prove that without taking a vote from the entire population, rather than a stacked poll.

  • BeHappy Feb 13, 5:11 p.m.

    It won't be long now before this company has forced layoffs or completely shuts down. It is never a good sign when he visits. I would not feel very good about this visit if I were an employee of this company.

  • Nancy Feb 13, 5:09 p.m.

    For the truth about the ramp up in food stamps, up to 2012, November:

    http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/#2nov

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