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  • frosty Feb 12, 6:51 p.m.

    170,000, that depends on if you believe the Obama administration or the AP both very iffy propositions.

  • junkmail5 Feb 12, 5:12 p.m.

    Not a single employEE has ever paid unemployment insurance in North Carolina. EVER. -beachboater

    Well, yes and no.

    There's a pretty solid argument that that is money that could go into your paycheck if it didn't cover the unemployment insurance instead.

    Just like the $x the employer pays toward your healthcare could go into your check if he wasn't spending it for healthcare.

    Did anyone realize that the FEDERAL unemployment tax, again paid only by the employER, DOUBLED this year because of the debt from the state to the feds? And it will stay at that rate until the loan is paid back- beachboater.

    That's the POINT. That's the CORRECT way to fix the problem. Because it was those employers who benefitted for unreasonably state tax rates that CAUSED THE PROBLEM.

    So they should have to pay it back.

    Instead the state is shoving much of that debt on the backs of the unemployed.

  • beachboater Feb 12, 4:55 p.m.

    "What some people don't get is every employee and employer pays into these benefits and most never have to use them"

    Not a single employEE has ever paid unemployment insurance in North Carolina. EVER.

    Did anyone realize that the FEDERAL unemployment tax, again paid only by the employER, DOUBLED this year because of the debt from the state to the feds? And it will stay at that rate until the loan is paid back.

    North Carolina has cut the benefit period in the past. And can you guess what happened each time? Unemployment went DOWN.

    Obama wants to again extend unemployment benefits beyond 99 weeks in his budget wants.

    Thie state and this country do not have the money to continue endlessly paying these UT benefits. We're paying people to stay home and not work for 2 years!!! If someone hasn't found a job in 6 months, chances they are not looking, don't want to work, or they are unemployable.

    I don't think there are many that are unemployable.

  • beachboater Feb 12, 3:59 p.m.

    "and the state's economy will lose $780 million in federal funds that are vital to reducing North Carolina's high unemployment rate."

    Now tell me again, just how does cutting off unemployment benefits help reduce the unemployment rate? I guess we must be encouraging people to go back to work while we pay them to stay home.

  • remer54 Feb 12, 3:12 p.m.

    55+ and lost my job. UI didnt come close to paying bills for a while soaked up saving Guess Ill work for nothing and go to the er if somethings happens to me.When I went to a meeting at the esc they put about 12 of us in a room. I was the youngest one of the group. A couple of ladies in there had worked at the same place forever. I could see the pain in one of them face. Don't worry one day it may be you.

  • dryjr Feb 12, 3:05 p.m.

    He just said that the feds are cutting it off,but we should continue,what a hypocrite,

  • SouthernPackerFan Feb 12, 2:48 p.m.

    Really? LOL. It's unemployment insurance, not a way of life. Dumbocrats extended the benefits to buy votes, i.e. pander to a specific voting block.

    Unemployment insurance is only supposed to last so long and the Feds had no right to extend it in the first place.

    Get a job.

    immaannoid
    Maybe you should "Get the Facts" the House voted for the Extention in Benefits, and who pray tell controls the house?

  • junkmail5 Feb 12, 2:31 p.m.

    . Don't you realize that the current benefit pays as much or more than a lot of these unemployed were making.- wheelman

    No, I don't because that's not true.

    The UE payment is always a _percentage_ of what you earned when employed.

    It's mathematically impossible for it to be MORE than you made.

    In most cases it's tremendously less.

    The only people making more than $290/week are folks who were making a LOT more than min-wage when employed.

    You might wanna learn how the program actually works before trying to speak intelligently about changing it, huh?

  • goldenosprey Feb 12, 2:14 p.m.

    Looks like readme has never been 50+ and laid off by her employer, with a mortgage, bills, insurance, etc. in a state with 9% unemployment. See how fast you lose your savings and your health, then see how long it takes to find suitable employment.

    Try sticking to things you have a clue about.

    Wheelman, if you made minimum wage you will not be getting $350/ week. You will receive much less. The employer that dumped you will scarcely pay more but you will get muuuuuch less.

  • Mon Account Feb 12, 2:01 p.m.

    "It might sound cruel but we need to stop giving all the freebies to illegal immigrants." - Disabled Veteran

    Naw, it just sounds ignorant. This is a conversation about US citizens getting unemployment benefits. These illegals of which you speak don't get unemployment benefits.

  • Wheelman Feb 12, 1:37 p.m.

    Hey, junkmail, we didn't underpay the tax. Your Democrat controlled government decided what we would pay. It was based upon the normal unemployment rate and the reserves that existed. It's tens of thousands of dollars a year for lot's of businesses with increases annually. Keep borrowing to maintain the current situation and then businesses will go broke trying to pay all the taxes to pay it off. How's that going to help? At the current minimum wage a 40 hr wk job pays $290.00. The current benefit is almost twice that and the new one will still be higher. I think it is absurd that the benenfit pays more than minimum wage for doing nothing. Don't you realize that the current benefit pays as much or more than a lot of these unemployed were making. I know this isn't true for many, but this was never designed to be a substitute for a job. Just something to help out while you find a new one. If there aren't any jobs, then blame Bev and Obama. McCrory hasn't been in office but a month.

  • readme Feb 12, 1:32 p.m.

    I can't imagine anyone saying with a straight face a person needs more than six months of unemployment. Why don't we just print money and pay the whole country to sit on the couch? It's time to work, and there is plenty to be done. There are hamburgers that need flipping, corn that needs picking, and trash cans that need emptying. This country needs a giant dose of humble pie. None of you are too good for any work. Do you think people 70 years ago thought they were too good for anything? I don't think so. Time for a gut check.

  • readme Feb 12, 1:19 p.m.

    I see plenty of help wanted signs outside fast food restaurants. If you don't want to lower yourself to do this kind of work, then fine - for a while. But after a certain amount of weeks, it's time to humble yourself and suck it up. The real problem is we are paying Americans to sit on the couch while we import thousands of illegal aliens to do the kind of work we think we are too good to do.

  • jwkrock Feb 12, 1:16 p.m.

    As much as I think that UI has gotten out of hand with the length lately, the fact is that many of the people on this forum would be singing a different tune if they were about to lose their benefits. It would be one thing if jobs in NC were abundant, but they aren't. Not by a long shot.

  • bubbles719 Feb 12, 1:04 p.m.

    All of you who support the cuts in UI should leave your job, and live on $350/wk and try getting another job in 6 months.

    You talk 'big' but you'd be whining if it was you and your family trying to get by on UI and find a job. It's not as easy as you think....

  • Nancy Feb 12, 12:49 p.m.

    Getting federal money for extended (10th consecutive extension) unemployment just means we owe it back WITH interest.

    We don't have it. We already owe them a chunk of change with interest for Bev signing on after our fund went dry due to ineptitude of Easley and Bev reducing UI taxes on business for a decade during the good economy and then ineptitude of the state agency who gave out money they should not have.

  • junkmail5 Feb 12, 12:06 p.m.

    A lot of criticism but no one is coming up with a better way to pay the bill
    pappybigtuna1

    I mentioned it several times.

    Do nothing. It fixes itself.

    By raising the unemployment tax on businesses.

    Which were the ones that underpaid for years to _cause_ the problem in the first place.

    junkmail5..... question, If you must be a legal citizen to get welfare and food stamps, how does a 6 month old child, born to illegals, request and get food stamps and welfare- lessismore

    By their legal guardian filing for them.

    At which point they will get the benefits they are entitled to as an american citizen. They will NOT get benefits that include their illegal family members though.

  • tom73b Feb 12, 11:55 a.m.

    Time to cut the cord, 26 weeks is a fair amount of time to find a job Even if the job pays less then the benefits coming in. Trouble is people are not willing to make sacrifices, and their-in lies the problem. Like my dear Mother said "When the going gets tough, The tough get going". And this from a career military spouse of 22 years. Who never saw more than 1200 a month in all those 22 years. So if she could do it with 4 kids, we all can do it. Time to get up off the couch folks

  • pappybigtuna1 Feb 12, 11:51 a.m.

    looks like ol' bev left a very large bill that has to be paid back

    A lot of criticism but no one is coming up with a better way to pay the bill

  • lessismore Feb 12, 11:50 a.m.

    junkmail5..... question, If you must be a legal citizen to get welfare and food stamps, how does a 6 month old child, born to illegals, request and get food stamps and welfare? Is that 6 month old requesting it???? Get real, get some common sense. Illegals do have access to our welfare system and they use it every day....millions of them.

  • tayled Feb 12, 11:50 a.m.

    And then Bev didn't keep track of the ineptitude of the SEC here in NC and they gave millions away to people who should not have received benefits.

    And the gross ineptitude of the ESC. That organization, under the Dept. of Commerce, is to blame for a lot of this. Lax enforcment of the existing rules, a badly designed and run computer system to "match" candidates with jobs, and an outdated customer no service department that is unresponsive.

  • junkmail5 Feb 12, 11:47 a.m.

    Interesting that Unemployment is only for two years but Welfare is for life.- superman

    Except it's not of course.

    Welfare is limited to 5 years total in your entire lifetime.

  • Terkel Feb 12, 11:42 a.m.

    " so how is losing $780,000 in federal money going help nc's economy?"

    So "not getting anticipated money" is not "losing" anything. So secondly, so they would have taken the $780k out of your pocket in the first place, which takes it out of the economy, leaves a lot of it with govt hacks, and gives what's left to people. So see?

  • superman Feb 12, 11:41 a.m.

    Interesting that Unemployment is only for two years but Welfare is for life. Thnk they could use come changes on both programs.

  • Nancy Feb 12, 11:40 a.m.

    It's a shame that during the good economic times, Easley and Bev and their democratic majority GA reduced the unemployment taxes businesses paid 6 different times. And then Bev didn't keep track of the ineptitude of the SEC here in NC and they gave millions away to people who should not have received benefits.

    Then she signs on to get 'help' from the feds to pay for the never ending unemployment extensions, racking up a $2.8 billion dollar bill we owe the feds, with interest in fact.

    Now we have to clean up the mess they made for too long.

    Instead of holding those accountable who created this mess, people want to blame those responsible for cleaning it up.

    I guess that differentiates the ones who support responsibility and those that do not.

  • tran Feb 12, 11:30 a.m.

    This thing is going to play out right before us and we'll all get to see what happens. I've little doubt there will much "debate" over the results and their cause.

  • computer trainer Feb 12, 10:30 a.m.

    maggiesp7- before you start making statements, maybe you should learn the facts. YOU have never paid a PENNY into unemployment. Employers have paid VERY little in, per employee. When you lay off many, many employees, you wind up using ALL of the $$ that you have paid in, and MORE. Especially when those employees are drawing for almost 2 years.

    Get the facts!

  • immaannoid Feb 12, 10:28 a.m.

    "Cutting the unemployment insurance is one of the more pigheaded bits of stupidity I have seen from the NC legislature."
    unc70

    Really? LOL. It's unemployment insurance, not a way of life. Dumbocrats extended the benefits to buy votes, i.e. pander to a specific voting block.

    Unemployment insurance is only supposed to last so long and the Feds had no right to extend it in the first place.

    Get a job.

  • junkmail5 Feb 12, 9:57 a.m.

    junkmail5..... the children of illegals receive welfare and food stamps- lessismore

    As they should, since they are legal citizens of the US.

    The illegals do not receive such benefits however.

    Now, if an illegal parent is stealing from their kid that's another story. But it'd cost more to police that than the tiny amount in food stamps the kid is getting (the average food stamp benefit is barely over $30 a week)

    But it's simply untrue to claim the government is giving all these benefits _to_ the illegals.

    they're only giving them to US citizens. Who might or might not have illegal relatives, but that doesn't really make a difference.

  • RadioDJ Feb 12, 9:31 a.m.

    So glad to see so many experts on here with all of the answers. "This isn't the answer" and "The real answer is" and so on. But if all of these "expert opinions" are valid, then WHY don't we live in some kind of utopian country where everything is just hunky dory? Maybe it could be that the answers aren't nearly as simplistic as the people writing them are?

  • lessismore Feb 12, 9:24 a.m.

    junkmail5..... the children of illegals receive welfare and food stamps....and that welfare and food is shared by all the illegals. So, you are wrong.

  • Timetogo Feb 12, 9:04 a.m.

    Must have more jobs if cutting unemployment option. Otherwise, people will just have to go to DSS and get money from another pot.

  • ghermie1 Feb 12, 8:50 a.m.

    NC owes the Feds $2,500,000,000 because we paid out more UE bene's than we had budgeted. McCrory's doing what HAS to be done, what Perdue refused to do. He's simply making the system balanced so that what we pay out is equal to or less than what we take in for UE bene's. That's how individuals MUST operate (spend equal to or less than what we earn). It's about time the government acted the same way!

  • ghermie1 Feb 12, 8:47 a.m.

    Minimum wage increases aren't the answer. Minimum wage depresses all other wages, and does nothing but make the poor even poorer. Judge for yourself how much hiking the minimum wage over 20% in the last few years has helped the economic livelihood of those making minimum wage. Think for yourself: if McD has to pay individual workers more, they will hire less workers AND raise prices of goods. This is true everywhere! Business pass costs onto the consumer. It's not that minimum wage isn't enough money, it's just that raising the minimum wage has caused higher inflation and devaluation. It just doesn't make sense: the high schooler that flipped burgers prior to 2007 @ $5.15/hour is now making $7.25 an hour. Did you get a 20% raise over that same period?

  • busyb97 Feb 12, 8:46 a.m.

    If you continue doing the same thing you have always done, you cant get upset that you keep getting the same results you have always gotten.

    In other words, the current system is broken! McCrory is trying to make changes, no solution will be painless, and someone will always get upset.

  • busyb97 Feb 12, 8:41 a.m.

    If businesses are hit harder and harder, then they cut more and more jobs.
    It is a delicate balance of doing what is beneficial for businesses, but still good for the citizens.

    If they dont do something, the money runs out....be it at the state level or federal. More legislators need to stand up to Washington and say "you can't afford it!!!"

    Maybe instead of continued UE benefits, they should reduce the benefits and incorporate some sort of college class credits so those who cant find the work in their field of experience (assuming they have some), so they can learn a new job or trade.

  • BigSteamnTurd Feb 12, 8:34 a.m.

    We didn't ask for the US Labor Secretary's opinion.

  • wayneboyd Feb 12, 8:30 a.m.

    Is this the way it is????
    A man , say opens a small clothing store. Brand names like Old Navy, Gap, Nike Shoes, Reeboks these kinds of items.
    According to the government 47% of the people who will patronize his business are receiving government assistance. He is selling these 47% merchandis with money he has technically loaned them to patronize his business, and it's him and his employees who are going to have to repay the government for their patronage? Someone tell me how this is going to create jobs or revenue for our state?
    I believe this results in the fact that the 47% I'm paying to shop my establishment for brand names is the reason my wife and kids are shopping for their wadrobes at Goodwill.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 12, 8:29 a.m.

    Typical, democrats don't want to pay the bills

  • GK N.Ral Feb 12, 8:22 a.m.

    I really enjoy people who criticize you for your failures and want you to spend (borrow) money to solve what they perceive as a problem.

  • Mr Davis Feb 12, 8:22 a.m.

    "As a result, families struggling to secure their place in the middle class will suffer a grievous blow"

    We finally have this administrations definition of middle class, those receiving UE benefits.

  • kodywoof Feb 12, 8:21 a.m.

    Wow- "We know that for every dollar spent on Unemployment Insurance benefits, nearly $2 are generated in the local economy." Maybe everyone in the US should be on unemployment? What a great strategy for growth. Except if no one is working, then who's going to print the money??? Ok, one guy has to work.

  • Disabled Veteran Feb 12, 8:02 a.m.

    It might sound cruel but we need to stop giving all the freebies to illegal immigrants. If there is no free ride here then they will eventually stop coming here. All the hand outs that we give to illegal immigrants is no different than giving to foreign aid.

  • maggiesp7 Feb 12, 8:01 a.m.

    I really wish you had a like button for some of these people posting are right on target.

  • maggiesp7 Feb 12, 7:57 a.m.

    What some people don't get is every employee and employer pays into these benefits and most never have to use them So where has the money gone? I have worked 35 plus years and never used mine. In this economy and no jobs your going to cut people off? Shame on you for not caring about people.

  • Mom120 Feb 12, 7:50 a.m.

    boot the FEDS... and the state legislators

  • TVs_Deceit Feb 12, 6:26 a.m.

    They're trying to create a climate where business will want to come to NC and create jobs.

  • oleguy Feb 12, 6:23 a.m.

    Extended UE Bennies need to stop, Where is the money coming from, The Govt is broke and borrowing the money they are giving away... I know 3 people that have been drawing close to 497.00 per week and never looked a job for over a year. 1 is getting disability,, Why work let the Govt keep you up,,

  • unc70 Feb 12, 2:07 a.m.

    Cutting the unemployment insurance is one of the more pigheaded bits of stupidity I have seen from the NC legislature. The benefits they are cutting are the emergency ones that are paid by the Federal taxes that were specifically in response to the recession. Part of the reason we had to borrow so much from the Feds on UI was because we had reduced collections from companies as a business incentive and thus lacked reserves.

    Then the GA let the emergency sales tax expire and gutted State and local spending on teachers, cops, etc. Tanked the NC economy and got McCrory elected. But unemployment rate remained high.

  • jeffdewitt Feb 11, 11:30 p.m.

    An Obama toadie criticizing the actions of a Republican legislature. Why am I not surprised... or impressed.

    Of course if his bosses economic policies weren't such a dismal failure there wouldn't be so many people on unemployment.

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