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  • afrocine2 Feb 13, 2:26 p.m.

    82nd

    I am a real American in every way. Please don't lump everyone in a pile to appease the peanut gallery. Our Freedom as a nation is secure, we can stop making that word an amorphous code word. Since 1812 our shores have never really been attacked. Notwithstanding some Nazi and Japanese potshots during WWII. Any and everything within reason you can do in this nation. The word we need to focus on is Responsibility, not Freedom,not values. As an American we are responsible for ouselves, our neigbors our community and our nation.

  • 82d Airborne Feb 13, 12:33 p.m.

    violent crime is down! what world are you living in?

    Obamas States of America!

    Where your Laawwd n savior has led you to imaginary water and will soon leave you to die of thirst as the entitlements recede..., who ever thought ignorance and lazyness would be the most useful and divisive tools for the democrat party...

    One of the most divisive things that this president has done was when he set flags at half mast for the death of a crack head singer, but not for a Navy Seal that gave his life to protect just that freedom that is so taken advantage of.... What do you expect real hard working Americans to read out of that? I read it as, if you love America you are no good, if you want to protect American values you are no good, smoke crack, be famous and support the lies and you will have a day set asside for you!

    As Hillary screams "What does it matter?" ... Dems.

  • birkie74693 Feb 13, 12:25 p.m.

    Afrocine says: "Now, should you Batcave, fear going to Chicago? I think not."

    I agree, Afrocine! I tell people all the time, Chicago is a GREAT city for a vacation. There are some fantastic restaurants, museums, some of the best live theatre outside of NYC, the aquarium, and VERY friendly locals. Chicago is a great place to visit!

  • doggypoos Feb 13, 8:38 a.m.

    This is the problem with these young guys. As you have seen the mothers allow and support these guys and behavior. That is the biggest problem in these communities. Let's hope the Judge will not slap them on the wrist this time and all three go to jail for at least 10 years each. If not they will do it again and again with support from their mommas.

  • emerald7575 Feb 12, 5:14 p.m.

    violent crime is down! what world are you living in?

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 4:18 p.m.

    Chicago is a violent city. I wish it wasn't. The gang and just plain foolishness culture is very powerful in Chicago. Now, should you Batcave, fear going to Chicago? I think not. Your journey would be paved with gold, mine however, would be a different story. I would need to watch every step because the majority of the people you cite in your demographic look like me. I resemble both the perpertrator and the victim, you don't. I appreciate your concern for me though.

  • beaulahjackson4 Feb 12, 3:55 p.m.

    Thank goodness we have you to condescend upon us so that we rightly know our place, and the value of our opinionated, if limited, understanding.JohnDrescher""

    I certainly am capable of being able to mentally place myself in other's shoes to comprehend their actions. My comment was only directed at those that are incapable of such......do you feel guilty about something or perhaps you don't have the ability for empathy? My comment was just that.....a comment or my opinion if you will. It is not in my nature to be condescending.....it's amazing to me that you would read into my posting as that.

  • beaulahjackson4 Feb 12, 3:48 p.m.

    A disproportionate amount of violent crime commited by certain Demographics. Chicago for example.

    batcave""

    Hmmm...then how is it that we have a disproportionate amount of public mass shootings commited by a specific demographic ....and they aren't black. So, do you blame the specific race in most public mass shootings? Or do you simply blame the person(s)? You can't have it both ways.

  • That Explains It Feb 12, 3:21 p.m.

    Beaulah Jackson opines "I doubt very many people can step outside themselves for even a moment to place one's self in another’s shoes in an attempt to know the why."

    But you clearly believe you can, right Beaulah? Thank goodness we have you to condescend upon us so that we rightly know our place, and the value of our opinionated, if limited, understanding.

  • batcave Feb 12, 3:03 p.m.

    WHY not one's race.

    Simply not true on the grand scale. A disproportionate amount of violent crime commited by certain Demographics. Chicago for example.

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 2:51 p.m.

    For all the aspersions being cast on Durham and the black community on this board, please keep in mind that many people, black and White live in Durham and have no problem with safety. If you are really honest about it 99% of the crimes that you fear so much in Durham and black youth, are crimes where the assailant knows the victim. This is not to excuse their actions at all. I only say this to ensure you that you have little to fear from Durham as a city or blacks as a community. Now knowing that if you still harbor an unease when dealing with the abovementioned, step back and realistically see that you are in little to no danger from either. We have to stop creating bogeymen in America.

  • That Explains It Feb 12, 2:27 p.m.

    I wonder if anyone was able to identify at which mile marker the shooting occurred.

  • dougbogard Feb 12, 2:22 p.m.

    The solution is simple. Put them on trial this week. If they are found guilty kill them next week.

    In my world Eve Carsons killers would be dead now. The state and the nation needs to stop this senseless violence. No other way to get through to these misguided men that emanate death awaits any and all murderers. You can blame the family, the hip hop music, gangs, anything you want. Blame will not solve anything.

    This murder is cut and dry, they did it. Try them and execute them immediately.

  • beaulahjackson4 Feb 12, 2:10 p.m.

    If you have control over your life and and value your position in society and that value is reinforced whether your deserve it or not then cheers to you. If you get upset and fearful at the thought of these youth roaming the streets without ever wondering just why they are out there, or why you fear them so much, maybe you should look deeper.

    afrocine2""

    Hear hear!! Well stated. I doubt very many people can step outside themselves for even a moment to place one's self in another’s shoes in an attempt to know the why. I get so tired of the race being blamed. People of ALL races kill. People of ALL religions kill. People of ALL socioeconomic backgrounds kill. There are some not taught any moral value system or some that just have no conscience. None of these things excuse the actions of murderers or other violent criminals but it can sometimes explain the WHY. People kill people...it the WHY not one's race.

  • Scubagirl Feb 12, 1:53 p.m.

    "I remember the good old days when the mall shootings in Durham used to just be at Northgate. Durham is being taken over by gangsters and more and more bad areas of town. Something needs to be done by the African American community to keep young black men away from guns, gangs, and violence.

    Real Deal Tar Heel

    I blame the parents! It all starts at the house. Morals, discipline, character. Parents you FAILED these kids! So don't moan & groan now. You KNOW you FAILED them. Shame on you!!!!

    luv2funrun

    February 12, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Thank you NAACP, liberal entitlement programs, and political correctness for giving us a generation of young hoodlums who think it's OK to take what they want

    All 3 of these posts are right on the money. Where is the NAACP when all this crime is committed BY blacks??? THAT is where they should be putting their efforts.

  • tonycheeek Feb 12, 1:36 p.m.

    What`s so hard about driving away from the scene of a crime? We see it over and over, a criminal is driving away and crashes! Driving and 'criming' is as dangerous as driving and texting.

    Just don`t do it or you may crash.

  • discowhale Feb 12, 12:49 p.m.

    NotUrTypicalAmerican,

    there are too few voices like yours, and the few who speak out usually get ostracized.

    afrocine2,

    I'm glad your comment got through. I tried twice last night to say, admiring 'guht efil' leads to this out come. But pointing out the obvious must make the Editors angry.

  • NotUrTypicalAmerican Feb 12, 12:37 p.m.

    afrocine2,

    Your misdirected excuse making contributes highly to the problem

    Dan Cooper

    Misdirected? For whom? You? afrocine gave a well thought-out response backed with what many know to be factual. Just because it doesn't jibe with what you believe should be done, doesn't make what they said out as an excuse.

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 11:45 a.m.

    Johnny Voodoo

    I'll tell you what, the black community is made up of individuals, but it is more communal than you realize. I grew up in the 1960's in Durham, I lived in a vibrant, well respected black community. We policed our own. When a child was headed in the wrong direction, the community counseled, and tried to redirect him. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. The key thing is that the effort was there. When black people began to embrace the concept of the "individual" over the concept of one being a part of many, then you started to see the behavior you see today. The single mothers who get most of the blame for raising these kids have always been there. It's just in the past they had extended family, community to help raise the child. He or she knew they belonged and it made a difference. I'm trying to tell you how one and I'm positive, more blacks, especially of my generation feel. By all means disagree but please don't try to define our reality for us.

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 11:37 a.m.

    Dan Cooper,

    It was not an excuse, nor was it misdirected. Poverty, lack of self-worth, and neglect are all proven indicators of future criminal activity. Only in this nation do we add to that boiling pot of pathos worship of violence. I already said we needed to get our house in order, that says enough. There is a reason for everything, humans behave in certain ways because of external stimili as well as individual traits. If you have control over your life and and value your position in society and that value is reinforced whether your deserve it or not then cheers to you. If you get upset and fearful at the thought of these youth roaming the streets without ever wondering just why they are out there, or why you fear them so much, maybe you should look deeper.

  • Dan Cooper Feb 12, 11:14 a.m.

    afrocine2,

    Your misdirected excuse making contributes highly to the problem

  • JohnnyVoodoo Feb 12, 11:14 a.m.

    The black community is made up of individuals first. Not some nomadic family where an entire neighborhood is a collective living under the same roof who plays follow the leader. Only when the individual learns to take responsibility of their own actions will the fruits of their efforts reflect on the community they live in...and be reconized on a local, state, and national level of our society.

  • Uhavenoclu Feb 12, 11:10 a.m.

    Just goes to show how lives can change in seconds one way or another.

    Think before you do and don't just do it.

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 11:03 a.m.

    We must open our eyes. The majority of gang bangers are black or latino. They learn early on that they mean little or nothing in this society. If you had no legacy, that America respected, if you had no familial or cultural standards in place to give you a sense of belonging, you would act in this manner too. Look at the UK, young White youths on the dole, living in estates, have the same nihilistic outlook as America's minority youth. The differnce is that their culture does not promote violent solutions. That does mean that the occasional murder does not happen, but with much less frequency.

  • batcave Feb 12, 10:47 a.m.

    creating a pressure cooker environment.

    jackflash123

    More to it than that, lots of poverty , drug addiction, meth labs, weed growers, and white liquor in Appalachia, but only a small fraction of the violence. Biggest lacking component is respect for life.

  • afrocine2 Feb 12, 10:45 a.m.

    @JohnnyVoodoo, I can't excuse any of the behavior exhibited by these young men. What I can say is that America is a violent society. Too many people seek to solve any disagreement that they have via the gun. We celebrate violence and lawlessness. These black children you ask about don't live in a vacum, they understand that their lives are already devalued. So they act accordingly. Music, Film, media all encourage and celebrate violence. Images in some Rap music is part of the problem, America's history is another. These guys are no different from any other youth. I admit that black America has to get its house in order, but so does America as a whole. These kids kill someone over a personal beef, a crime of passion, however, corportions and governments kill thousands over oil and other resources. Who is worse?

  • jackflash123 Feb 12, 10:25 a.m.

    "That's the problem in Durham, its NOT concentrated to one area."

    Huh? That's actually the exact OPPOSITE of the problem. Yes, violence spills over sometimes into the allegedly "good" areas (though even in this incident it was among people who knew each other and presumably were all involved in a similar, criminal subculture), but the real problem is that all the low-income housing and social services are concentrated, creating a pressure cooker environment.

  • computer trainer Feb 12, 9:57 a.m.

    One of them was just smiling at his family. I bet they are so proud of him.

  • JohnnyVoodoo Feb 12, 9:42 a.m.

    Don't know if this will be censored or not, but i'll give it a try anyway....Why are so many black males committing so many violent crimes these days? I am simply going by the number of stories posted by WRAL that seem to document or validate the very subject matter that i'm referring to. Is it racist for a white man, such as myself, to reach out to the black community and ask a question such as that? I challenge any and all blacks to respond to my question as an invitation to open a dialogue concerning this type of senseless violence that threatens all of us and our families.

  • NotUrTypicalAmerican Feb 12, 9:32 a.m.

    The gangs give them a family structure and a sense of belonging that they aren't getting anywhere else, which is sad. The gang is filling a need.....as long as that need is there, it will be difficult to end the cycle.-btneast

    I agree. Male mentors in the home are in short-supply and that is indeed sad.

  • floseh2 Feb 12, 9:24 a.m.

    Where is "Pork Chop" Barber when these kids need someone or something to relate to? It don't seem like the N.A.A.C.P. is doing anything to help these kids get on the right road or get the parents straightened out. Thats whee it all starts.

    The Floseh

  • lessismore Feb 12, 9:00 a.m.

    luv2funrun.... says, I blame the parents!

    Partially right...but 10 to 1 they have only one parent and no communication with their father. Raised on welfare and entitlements with single parent and none finished high school. Welfare creates poverty and poverty creates crime.

  • btneast Feb 12, 8:59 a.m.

    instead of choosing to be led by their parents

    Too many aren't raised by their parents....often a grandmother or aunt....there is rarely a male in the home. The gangs give them a family structure and a sense of belonging that they aren't getting anywhere else, which is sad. The gang is filling a need.....as long as that need is there, it will be difficult to end the cycle.

  • NotUrTypicalAmerican Feb 12, 8:48 a.m.

    As a Black male, I'm way past the point of "sick and tired" of seeing blatant violent crime committed by young Black males. I continue to be baffled as to the disconnect with some of these young folks between knowing right from wrong coupled the absense of common sense and the lack of respect for life.

    Way too many of these guys have the fault of not thinking things through and are seemingly content in walking through the life with severe short-sightedness towards their future and the letter of the law. Worse, instead of choosing to be led by their parents, they are being influenced more by their peers who are just as clueless about life as they are.

    That's a vicious circle. The blind leading the blind.

  • btneast Feb 12, 8:46 a.m.

    i'd be a lot more uncomfortable if this had been a random shooting. but it wasn't. just like the last one over near adam and eve. that wasn't a stranger murder either

    The overwhelming majority of murders in the U.S. are committed by folks that know the victim well. Random shootings are very rare statistically.

  • That Explains It Feb 12, 8:45 a.m.

    More fodder for the lawyers at the NC Racial Justice Commission, where the commission of the crime has no bearing, only the color of your skin ... unless, of course, you are white, in which case there is no racial justice and you are on your own. Just ask Eric Holder.

  • Karmageddon Feb 12, 8:40 a.m.

    Thank you NAACP, liberal entitlement programs, and political correctness for giving us a generation of young hoodlums who think it's OK to take what they want

  • luv2funrun Feb 12, 8:37 a.m.

    I blame the parents! It all starts at the house. Morals, discipline, character. Parents you FAILED these kids! So don't moan & groan now. You KNOW you FAILED them. Shame on you!!!!

  • TarHeel4Real Feb 12, 8:35 a.m.

    I remember the good old days when the mall shootings in Durham used to just be at Northgate. Durham is being taken over by gangsters and more and more bad areas of town. Something needs to be done by the African American community to keep young black men away from guns, gangs, and violence.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 12, 8:27 a.m.

    "so where did they get their guns from? anyone want to bet that they were not all legally bought at one time?" - Grand Union

    Wonder if it was a former police gun, like the one I carry?

    "So why not just put them in prison for the rest of their lives?" - stanleystevens

    I'd rather send them to the gallows.

  • btneast Feb 12, 8:25 a.m.

    I will agree that there is crime in every town or city but it is usually consentrated in certain areas.

    That's the problem in Durham, its NOT concentrated to one area. There are some good areas, but even some of those get sketchy when the sun goes down.

  • stanleystevens Feb 12, 8:17 a.m.

    First of all they are Not Men, they are Gangstas. A title I am sure they would be proud of.Second, they made a decision to KILL a human being. They knew what they were going to do was wrong, yet they did it anyway.So why not just put them in prison for the rest of their lives? Why do some people feel it necessary to try and rehabilitate people like this? Descent society WILL NEVER MISS THEM !

  • Mr Davis Feb 11, 7:55 p.m.

    Tracking the gun or guns used in this crime would probably tell you they were stolen. To suggest they were obtained lawfully in some way by these three would at the least be foolish thinking.

  • Mountaineer Fan Feb 11, 7:48 p.m.

    what do these kids think about!! They just ruined there lives for at least a few months because that is all our judical system will give them then they will be roaming the streets again.

  • Grand Union Feb 11, 7:46 p.m.

    so where did they get their guns from? anyone want to bet that they were not all legally bought at one time?

  • Plenty Coups Feb 11, 7:42 p.m.

    "But you're the one that wants to not be able to track gun sales, and conservatives have tried to weaken the very agency that enforces gun laws, the ATF."

    paultaylor-"Try to do better than baseless finger pointing."

    Baseless? You yourself claim that you don't want the government to "track you". As far as the ATF, its public record what conservatives and those who support the NRA have done to weaken them. They don't even have a full time director as its been held up for years.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2013-02-08-ATF-and-NRA_ST_U.htm

  • Plenty Coups Feb 11, 7:40 p.m.

    "Tell me how you propose to "track" the person doing the illegal sale? I've never seen a "crook" arrested for doing an illegal sale of a weapon."

    You track the sale itself using a computer registry. It's very simple. If a gun used in a crime was sold illegally and if the seller has sold many such guns illegally as evidence currently shows is what happening now in the majority of cases, you have a record and can go after those corrupt sellers.

  • yankee1 Feb 11, 7:38 p.m.

    Hey jackflash, Southpoint had nothing to do with it. Where did these killers come from?

  • paultaylorsr100 Feb 11, 7:34 p.m.

    plenty - "It's not, its tracking the sale. You either want to track who is illegally selling the weapons to criminals or you don't."

    This has to be the craziest response you have made. Tell me how you propose to "track" the person doing the illegal sale? I've never seen a "crook" arrested for doing an illegal sale of a weapon.

  • Uhavenoclu Feb 11, 7:34 p.m.

    Just goes to show how your life can change in seconds,both for the good,or for the bad...Oh well we see which way they wanted to turn.

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