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  • superman Feb 12, 2013

    The hospital benefited and as a result your bill was lower. Now they just going to increase their charges to your bill and you going to pay the fine. The fine that you support is now going to be paid out of your pocket.

  • superman Feb 12, 2013

    Closing Wake Med would be devasting to Wake County. Thousands of people would be without care, thousands would be out of work, business would no longer be able to sell to them. I am glad some of you like the fine and maybe even think it should have been higher. Use your brain--just who do you think will be paying the fine. The patients will have it added to their bill. It is going to increase the hospital expenses. The money collected went into the bank for the hospital. My wife and I have both been patients at Wake Med several times. We always found the staff and the patient care excellent. Can you imagin closing every Wake Med facility? Where do you think the people will go. The emergency room is always packed with people.

  • vincentwilliam794 Feb 11, 2013

    It never mentioned if any doctors were involved. just saying

  • marciamal1 Feb 11, 2013

    I never liked this hospital and still don't - the staff was just so rude and inconsiderate - i couldn't believe how I walked into an emergency room and was greeted unfairly by the receptionist - that was 3-4 years ago and i haven't stepped one foot into that hospital again. Never will - I'd rather get treated at Rex Hospital - much better experience.!~

  • jacksun48 Feb 11, 2013

    Did anybody get fired? Probably not...business as usual. They'll find another way to steal money. Lack of character doesn't matter.

  • itlsss Feb 11, 2013

    Boyle, lot of noise, no action!

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 11, 2013

    While it's certain that someone got off from possible jail time, I do understand the judge's ruling and glad it was added into the article so people would understand.

  • lwe1967 Feb 8, 2013

    What made him change his mind? Is there a pay off here? Just wondering?

  • junkmail5 Feb 8, 2013

    People do not understand that if you are prosecuted for Medicare/Medicaid Fraud, NOT convicted. You cannot take care of ANY Medicare/Medicaid patients at all. Who gets hurt if WakeMed doesn't accept Medicare or Medicaid? EVERYONE in Wake County-Dazd N Confused

    You know what? There's other hospitals.

    By letting them just pay a fine, almost certainly a smaller amount than they stole, what reason do they, or any other hospital, have to simply not continue defrauding people?

    "Man! if we get caught we only get to keep HALF the money we stole!"

  • Uhavenoclu Feb 8, 2013

    I've been and lived in many states and NC has to be the most criminal state there is,not from the people but from the "Respected",corporations and politicians.........

  • meldenis Feb 8, 2013

    Banks, Hospitals can all do as they want regardless of the laws. Too big to let fail. Banks get new leadership. What about Hospitals?

  • Dazd N Confused Feb 8, 2013

    How is it possible that this didn't get posted... must be a Duke Fan :-)

    People do not understand that if you are prosecuted for Medicare/Medicaid Fraud, NOT convicted. You cannot take care of ANY Medicare/Medicaid patients at all. Who gets hurt if WakeMed doesn't accept Medicare or Medicaid? EVERYONE in Wake County. You may not like what they did, but you sure like them when you need them. If they don't get any Medicare or Medicaid funding... they wouldn't be.

    At least they accepted the blame and a punishment.

    Maybe they can go after Duke Health next? They don't like to say you paid even when you do. So I'm thinking they are probably in the same boat as WakeMed is. Just sayin'

  • imtiredofit Feb 8, 2013

    The big question her is - who got to the Judge?? After all the concerns Judge Boyle had issues with, all of a sudden he caves in and approves the settlement he so greatly disliked? Something really smells bad here. The story of WakeMed having to shut down is bogus because even if that could possibly happen, Rex or Duke would jump at the chance to take over WakeMed's locations and clientèle. Hospitals complain about having to take Medicare and Medicaid patients but without all of these patients these hospitals would be a lot smaller and less profitable.

  • Dazd N Confused Feb 8, 2013

    People do not understand that if you are prosecuted for Medicare/Medicaid Fraud, NOT convicted. You cannot take care of ANY Medicare/Medicaid patients at all. Who gets hurt if WakeMed doesn't accept Medicare or Medicaid? EVERYONE in Wake County. You may not like what they did, but you sure like them when you need them. If they don't get any Medicare or Medicaid funding... they wouldn't be.

    At least they accepted the blame and a punishment. Maybe they can go after Duke Health next? They don't like to say you paid even when you do. So I'm thinking they are probably in the same boat as WakeMed is. Just sayin'

  • john26 Feb 8, 2013

    Well, Roy and Colin, here's your first case! See if you extend state regs to fed rules. That oughta be fun.

  • Hill55 Feb 8, 2013

    Wake Med wouldn't look good in a jump suit.

  • Gork Feb 8, 2013

    But, whatelseisnew, by that logic,if they stole because reimbursements are inadequate, then why shouldn't I take a little from someone, since I'm not paid enough? If the reimbursements are inadequate, that's a business problem, not an excuse for lying, stealing and forging documents - those are crimes.

  • soyousay Feb 8, 2013

    Don't be so shocked, this is theater. In a couple of months, Bill will be retired.

  • Terkel Feb 8, 2013

    I just flip-flopped on Boyle.

    Give it up. The poor and their "programs" will always trump everything.

  • whatelseisnew Feb 8, 2013

    What a shame. SOMEONE probably more than just one should be prosecuted and SENT TO JAIL. The pitiful fine probably represents a small portion of the fraud that was committed. So hey, for two years, they have to be careful to appear they are not still committing fraud, and then they can go right back to it. Nice message being sent to all other providers, be not worried, just set aside a portion of your thefts in case you get caught so you can pay a fine.

    "They put policies in place to prevent this in the future - they needed policies to prevent lying and stealing, forging records? This is absurd."

    I agree and it is a big FAT lie. Part of the problem is that Medicare despite being very expensive, does not pay adequate reimbursement rates. SOOOOOO even people that might NORMALLY be honest, cook their billings. Medicare should have to pay EQUAL reimbursement to the private insurers and in fact it ought to be doing better than that. Medicare is just another ripoff of the middle class.

  • more cowbell Feb 8, 2013

    As a member of the blue collar, working middle-class, I demand to be recognized as a minority! This way I get government and medical services for free and am accountable to no one.

  • heelsgirl05 Feb 8, 2013

    so what was the point of "being upset" with the prosecution if he was just going to sign off on this anyway??

  • ggallagher5 Feb 8, 2013

    Seems that he was just blowing smoke ! Very disappointing that no one is penalized except the patients that will pay the $8 million!!

  • more cowbell Feb 8, 2013

    guaranteed, judge talliwacker boyle stands to gain . why else would a public servant do the wrong thing by rewarding felanous behavior?

  • kbird Feb 8, 2013

    Well I thought judge Boyle had my respect but in the end he was just another one of the good ol boys

  • werrewolfwoman Feb 8, 2013

    Don't forget as part of this "settlement" WakeMed is not required to repay any patients that might have overpaid their bills. The prosecutor said that would have been "too complicated" to pursue.

  • Gork Feb 8, 2013

    They put policies in place to prevent this in the future - they needed policies to prevent lying and stealing, forging records? This is absurd. Human beings knew what they were doing was wrong; managers at least condoned it as it contributed to the holy bottom line. Reminds me of banks and rating organizations and the mortgage disaster. The profits far exceed the fines and - trust me, they're laughing over drinks about the policies to prevent such things in the future, as they decide how to spend their bonuses. They'll step around the vagrant who can't get mental health treatment as they make their way to their Mercedes and motor away to a nicer neighborhood. Nice people.

  • msha Feb 8, 2013

    GUess they paid the Judge off.

  • rocket Feb 8, 2013

    I wonder how much Boyle gets?

  • gnboliver2 Feb 8, 2013

    This fraud is child's play compared to what's coming in the future. As Obamacare progresses, Wake Med will eventually become just another agency of the Federal Government. Then the people responsible for the fraud will just be called "lobbyists"...funneling campaign contributions to feed the beast.

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 8, 2013

    And who was fired and who went to jail?

  • katgotyertongue Feb 8, 2013

    So Big Money wins again. No jail time? a pittance of a fine....Oh Judge Boyle...the shame!

  • tdouble232323 Feb 8, 2013

    So WakeMed is too big to fail? Crazy times we live in where the size of your operation determines your punishment or lack thereof in this case.

  • The Contractor Feb 8, 2013

    so glad to see another corporation walk away scot free with a slap on the wrist and all in the name of public good..

  • more cowbell Feb 8, 2013

    Paid 8M in fines and got to keep 21M it stole. If this had been perpitrated by the ordinary citized, there would be no "deal" by any court or judge in any land.

    The criminal goes free. Thanks judge!

  • joeBob Feb 8, 2013

    Someone should have gone to jail.

  • kbmems Feb 8, 2013

    Why am I not suprised? Sounds like someone was not doing their job correctly when assessing correct patient status.

  • alwayslovingu30 Feb 8, 2013

    oh let the hospital off becasue it would hurt them financialy.but screw the average man all they can you can pay all of the screw you fee's at any courthouse.all about the money

  • mayhem Feb 8, 2013

    Big show by Boyle, but in the end no bite.

  • BigUNCFan Feb 8, 2013

    Classic case of "to big to fail" in this settlement. I agree that it would be a hardship on the community if one of the biggest hospitals did not take Medicare or Medicaid. Still though, there is something not quite right about being able to take a deal because of that.

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