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  • williammjohnston Feb 14, 9:03 a.m.

    Say it is not so!

  • Sherlock Feb 8, 2:40 p.m.

    "It is embarrassing. It's inexcusable," but they allowed it to happen and still allow it. What about chanting from students about a students dead Grandmother at a ball game. This is they type of leaders that come from this school.This school is an embarrassment to the state.

  • superman Feb 8, 12:51 p.m.

    Terrible but they do nothing.

  • superman Feb 8, 12:50 p.m.

    If in fact things were and are so bad at UNC why did the board express confidence in Thorp and even ask him to reconsider his resignation? Why is he still on the sinking ship.

  • Not_Time_Yet Feb 8, 12:50 p.m.

    And in back room over martinis, "Oops, we got caught, time for some damage control and blame others"

  • newtonatlaw1 Feb 8, 12:06 p.m.

    So, let me get this right: It is ok to steer students who should not have been admitted bc of inadequate qualifications in the first place to these "fake" classes so a select group can maintain sufficient GPA to stay in school (for which I presume federal funding relies), but it is NOT ok to steer the subset of those students who are athletes to the "fake" classes to maintain also athletic eligibility? You guys are asking the wrong question: What demographic of students DID benefit by having these "fake" classes, and did the University accept federal money for admitting and keeping them in school, admitted - let us be clear - over interested AND qualified students? THAT is the scandal, albeit one no-one wants to report on, IMHO. Deb Newton, Attorney

  • SMAPAEA Feb 8, 11:03 a.m.

    Athletics at all higher educational institutions always get favors. Nobody walked me to class everyday...but when I was teaching I sure had football players and basketball players that got walked to my class, and then escorted to the next. The first priority should be to education, then athletics. And our governor is worried about Liberal Arts.

  • sweetsea2 Feb 8, 9:47 a.m.

    I bet that State and ECU are sweating a bit right now. Don't think for a moment that "jock accomodation" does not go on at universities everywhere.

  • aetius476 Feb 8, 8:42 a.m.

    Completely eliminate the fraudulent AFAM department and its "faculty", and shift the resources to real education.

    You did not hear this in the report....

  • Hill55 Feb 8, 8:03 a.m.

    I would like to know what fixes were made to the report to run cover for ole Royvso he didn't have to return those NCAA trophies.

  • msncdso Feb 7, 7:40 p.m.

    Is there anyone anywhere buying this lame story?

  • one Feb 7, 6:32 p.m.

    For autumn- the scandal is not athletic?

    Yet a majority of recommendations deal with athletics?

    What an ironic joke

    Stand for something autumn, or you'll fall for everything.....including uncch drivel

    The group wants schools to:

    Establish clear requirements for student-athletes to meet with their academic advisors once a year to review programs of study.

    Review exceptional admissions policies to ensure any student admitted has demonstrated the ability to be academically successful.

    Create an annual review by a chancellor or other designee of all faculty teaching assignments.

    Develop a strategic plan to improve faculty engagement in athletics.

    Develop an electronic system to track suspicious clusters of classes.

  • luridham Feb 7, 6:10 p.m.

    If there is no exoneration Dpanther12, you need to go back and re-evaluate the Poole Commission as to NC State. You can't have it both ways. Not surprising an Aggie spends more time worrying about UNC than paying attention to the stench in his own yard.

  • bonnnie Feb 7, 5:53 p.m.

    THIS DOES NOT SUPRISE ME!

  • Dpanther12 Feb 7, 5:52 p.m.

    Lol at another "exoneration". SCOREBOARD....or in this case HEADLINE. "TERRIBLE" and "EMBARRASSING". I'll try writing this on a fourth grade level for you. You were caught cheating for at least 14 years. The only debate now is whether or not you get away with it.

  • gmarcum Feb 7, 5:47 p.m.

    The recommendations that the board is suggesting should be a part of any athletic program. Face-saving masure for sure.

  • luridham Feb 7, 5:37 p.m.

    Another report, another exoneration. You've been FLAGSHIPPED, Aggies.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 7, 5:29 p.m.

    No investigations, no evidence.

  • Dpanther12 Feb 7, 5:23 p.m.

    The Poole Commission didn't have to deal with coaches being paid millions in hush money (not interviewed), complicit members lawyering up (not interviewed) and the one person blamed for it all fleeing the Country (not interviewed). And of course an administration overly eager to get everything out in the open and self-punish.

    Yeah, other than that it's the same thing.

  • luridham Feb 7, 5:14 p.m.

    LOL at Pack Pride. That's the website for losers who spend all their time dreaming about what it would have been like to go to UNC instead of a safety school. The current obsession is just continued evidence of that chip on the shoulder.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 5:14 p.m.

    "That place is an embarrassment to the State. A true leader would've disclosed this years ago and self disciplined...instead we get actions that would make a Chicago mobster blush."

    LOL..poor thing.

    Another hurt one.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 5:14 p.m.

    " Just wait until the Wear twin info comes out. Bye bye Roy."

    LOL...more of the silly talk from the State fans.

    Poor guys...really hurts still, doesn't it?

  • Dpanther12 Feb 7, 5:11 p.m.

    @HappyGoAshley - Did you actually go to class? Did you actually do course work (easy as it may be)? If so, no problem...every institution has easy classes. I am upset if my tax dollars were used to give you a grade for a class that did not exists. And to answer your question....yes you were steered. But at least you were open to it. Many athletes at the ewe are steered to these courses even though they neither want them, nor are qualified to take them (I.e. 400 level Swahili when you aren't even good at English).

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 5:09 p.m.

    Burley Mitchell, the "independent" BOG member, was referred to in the N&O as

    "Mitchell holds degrees from both NCSU and UNC’s law school, and he is a well-known N.C. State supporter. "

    Sounds like Judge Mitchell is still upset.

    Poor guy.

  • one Feb 7, 5:06 p.m.

    "I graduated UNC in 2001. I needed an elective my senior year...one that wouldn't be too difficult and didn't start too early in the morning (b/c I had to bartend at night to pay for school). And guess what...my advisor recommended AFAM40.

    I can assure you I am far from being an athlete. I told my advisor what I needed and that's what she recommended. Did she "steer" me? What a crime...she gave me advice that I was SEEKING."

    HappyGoAshley February 7, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    1st - you took AFAM 40 your senior year. You did not take AFAM 400 your 1st semester freshman year before remedial english

    2nd - you're right, steered is the wrong term. Forced is the correct term. As in basketball & football players that wanted to take other classes were FORCED to take AFAM courses to stay eligible. Just wait until the Wear twin info comes out. Bye bye Roy.

  • Dpanther12 Feb 7, 5:06 p.m.

    Lol at "two investigations, no evidence". What do you think all of this embarrassment talk is about? Of course there is evidence. All that is being argued now is jurisdiction. If its the NCAA....the corrupt BOG can't protect and unc will get what it deserves. If it's not the NCAA's jurisdiction then it's up to the BOG and the "flagship" to self-discipline...and we can already see where that's going....no punishment for uncch, but let make sure the rest of the UNC schools step to. That place is an embarrassment to the State. A true leader would've disclosed this years ago and self disciplined...instead we get actions that would make a Chicago mobster blush.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 5:05 p.m.

    ""Bissette pointed out the limits of what they could determine. 'WE ARE NOT AN INVESTIGATIVE BODY. WE ARE A REVIEW PANEL,' [emphasis added] he said.""

    Just as the Poole Commission was 20 years ago for the NC State Review.

    Sorry.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 5:04 p.m.

    "Only when someone orders up a truly independent investigation will we get anything close to the truth. No, Carolina hand-selecting someone to "review" is not an independent investigation."

    The report today was every bit as independent as the Poole report was some 20 years ago. The Poole commission was made up of three members of the BOG, just like this current commission.

    It was good enough then, it is good enough now.

    Again, your problem is with the FINDINGS, because they don't support what you believe.

    Sorry.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 7, 4:55 p.m.

    "How many investigations before it gets through Burley Mitchell's thick skull that his view of the situation is wrong..."

    That assessment is fine and good, except that there haven't been any true investigations yet.

    From this article: "Bissette pointed out the limits of what they could determine. 'WE ARE NOT AN INVESTIGATIVE BODY. WE ARE A REVIEW PANEL,' [emphasis added] he said."

    That says it all right there.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again01 Feb 7, 4:53 p.m.

    No, forautumn. We want the truth. What is sad is that we have yet to get that. Only when someone orders up a truly independent investigation will we get anything close to the truth. No, Carolina hand-selecting someone to "review" is not an independent investigation.

  • HappyGoAshley Feb 7, 4:52 p.m.

    "McAdoo said counselors at UNC selected the AFAM studies major for him because it worked around the football team's practice schedule."

    I graduated UNC in 2001. I needed an elective my senior year...one that wouldn't be too difficult and didn't start too early in the morning (b/c I had to bartend at night to pay for school). And guess what...my advisor recommended AFAM40.

    I can assure you I am far from being an athlete. I told my advisor what I needed and that's what she recommended. Did she "steer" me? What a crime...she gave me advice that I was SEEKING.

  • Dpanther12 Feb 7, 4:52 p.m.

    I wonder if Bissette realizes the hit to his own reputation for his role in this cover up?

  • Tar Heels Victory-Show No Mercer Feb 7, 4:51 p.m.

    Terribl and embarrassing, sounds about right to me. They just need to continue to work on the problem and ensure that it does not happen again!

  • lost in translation Feb 7, 4:50 p.m.

    "A Liberal Arts degree from any University twenty years ago is much more credible than a liberal arts degree from UNC today. A total embarrassment. The academic establishment at UNC is either disgusted by the fallout or disgusted that they have been outed."

    FourAutumn..."Sure...explains the incredible number of kids wanting to get into UNC.

    Sorry."

    Your right. I stand corrected. I want to go to and get that degree and take courses like "Dogs". It would be a breeze.

  • immaannoid Feb 7, 4:50 p.m.

    "He should be terminated form the board for the leaks he gave to the media." bella

    Um, no. He should be commended for not sweeping under the rug what the 19 out of 33 pro UNC-ChapelHill board members want swept.

    Keep in mind, we as taxpaying citizens have a right to know *everything* they have done, are doing and are going to do.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 4:38 p.m.

    "To have an Opinion Story in the Wall Street Journal that calls out electives such as "Dog HIstory" Prehistoric to Today and some Music course is a total embarrassment"

    You do realize that picking certain classes at any school could result in the same findings, don't you?

    How about Intro to African American Music?

    History and Memory?

    Family Relations over the Life Course?

    Are these courses embarrassments as well?

  • pinball wizard Feb 7, 4:32 p.m.

    The scandal is terrible. Of course they will do nothing to fix the problem.

  • ThatGuyYetAgain Feb 7, 4:31 p.m.

    "Gosh, we may never know how it happened, it's all a huge surprise, we're just devastated by these unimaginable revelations, who would have thought such a thing possible and isn't it just terrible we can't identify anyone responsible?"

    OK, I'm done, can I go back to collecting my six-figure salary now? Great, thanks!

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 4:28 p.m.

    "A Liberal Arts degree from any University twenty years ago is much more credible than a liberal arts degree from UNC today. A total embarrassment. The academic establishment at UNC is either disgusted by the fallout or disgusted that they have been outed."

    Sure...explains the incredible number of kids wanting to get into UNC.

    Sorry.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 4:25 p.m.

    The fact of the matter is that the folks at NCSU don't want the "truth". What they want is THEIR version of what happened. Any investigation that does not return THEIR version of what happened is, in their enraged, obsessed minds, a fraud.

    Sda.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 4:22 p.m.

    " For a FACT UNC academic advisors have told about how incoming UNC Freshman basketball and football players could not do college level material and graduated anyway. Said they could barely do high school work-basic reading and writing"

    And yet, NCSU recruits many of the same players.

    Amazing, huh?

  • lost in translation Feb 7, 4:16 p.m.

    To have an Opinion Story in the Wall Street Journal that calls out electives such as "Dog HIstory" Prehistoric to Today and some Music course is a total embarrassment. Why a parent would pay for these courses or why they are even offered is an insult to the very students who graduate with degrees. A Liberal Arts degree from any University twenty years ago is much more credible than a liberal arts degree from UNC today. A total embarrassment. The academic establishment at UNC is either disgusted by the fallout or disgusted that they have been outed.

  • Sarge Feb 7, 4:09 p.m.

    "McAdoo said counselors at UNC selected the AFAM studies major for him because it worked around the football team's practice schedule."

    no kidding, coincidence?

  • 73ncsu74 Feb 7, 4:08 p.m.

    37378787 I guess this is your mug shot number but anyway. The BOG of North Carolina knows about how State and ECU were recognized for their quality academics-FACT! Purvis did graduate with a REAL HS diploma and the NCAA cleared him. About the other if true then turn us in and we will not lie-hide or deceive the BOG. For a FACT UNC academic advisors have told about how incoming UNC Freshman basketball and football players could not do college level material and graduated anyway. Said they could barely do high school work-basic reading and writing. Only way UNC is getting by with this is their pockets are deep with $$$$ to pay people off.

  • uBnice Feb 7, 4:03 p.m.

    There is an easy way to end the athletic scandals. The decision makers can remove the repeatedly offending sports (men's basketball and football) and make them what they are, entertainment businesses for semi-professionals.

    McAdoo did not let himself into UNC. Admissions knew he was far from qualified as a college student, particularly at a Tier 1 University. And we are supposed to pretend that a kid that should not have even been in college is now supposed to do college work and play football for 3-040 hours a week?

    Stop blaming the athletes. The real culprits are the decision makers such as BOG and University Presidents.

  • luridham Feb 7, 4:02 p.m.

    tran ("No such issues have surfaced at other UNC schools, just at Chapel Hill."): You must have missed the Valvano years at NC State where NC State outright changed the grades of players to keep them eligible.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-25/sports/sp-1222_1_n-c-state

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 3:59 p.m.

    "Saw this posted at Pack Pride. "

    I'm sure you did...a very unbiased site as well.

    Two investigations, no evidence. And the whining from West Raleigh continues.

  • FourAutumn Feb 7, 3:57 p.m.

    ""It is inconceivable that this was two people that did this," said Burley Mitchell, board member and former chief justice of North Carolina, responded."

    Well, Mr. Chief Justice, where is the proof? Surely, in your days as a Judge, you would expect proof before convicting.

    The Martin Commission found no proof. Your own BOG investigation found no proof.

    Absent that proof, your howls of protest are more reminiscent of a rival fan than a former jurist.

  • tran Feb 7, 3:51 p.m.

    "As a result of the scandal, the panel said Thursday it will make several recommendations to help other UNC System schools to avoid similar issues"

    No such issues have surfaced at other UNC schools, just at Chapel Hill.

  • jacksun48 Feb 7, 3:46 p.m.

    Hard not to believe the university wasn't defrauded by these alleged 'teachers'. Claw back their salaries, benefits and pensions and then put them in jail and the people who supervised them. What? You mean nobody was responsible to verify that they were actually 'teaching'? Shame, shame, shame.

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