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  • goldenosprey Feb 7, 11:45 a.m.

    Republicans want dumb kids in NC. Art Pope can pay them lower wages. Smart kids might get out of poverty and shop at Target or Sears instead of the Maxway.

  • williamsh03 Feb 7, 11:36 a.m.

    Any of you other "random clowns" (thank you kiwileex3)Early Interventionists? This is beyond ignorance and beyond denial. This is a cynicism and harmful disrespect to the development of our young children far more deeply rooted in a twisted motive. The devastating impact of this type of thinking is far reaching and results in hopelessness among the advocates of one of our most vunerable populations.

    From a purely selfish, personal perspective, when I go out to provide services to young children, I would far rather sit on the floor of a Pre-K classroom than on a critter infested floor of a decrepit trailer of drug dealing, foul mouthed, abusive parents with stunted moral development. Early childhood programs provide safety and meet basic needs for children for an eight hour stretch. For some children, the only nurturing and validation that they are worthwhile people come from the adults working in these programs.

  • krimson Feb 7, 9:57 a.m.

    "Early Childhood Education is a euphemism for free daycare."

    That may be so, but there are many studies that show that effective early education leads to "better" and more productive adults. I would imagine that these adults are less likely to require adult day-care (welfare or prison).

    There is an ongoing study by Duke University (Kenneth Dodge, Helen Ladd, and Clara Muschkin) that shows that the cost-benefit ratio is very high, ie. paying a little now gets the same results as paying a lot more later. Also look at the research done by UNC's Frank Porter Graham Institute. Google should find it for you.

    The evidence is overwhelming - effective Pre-K makes a smarter, better, and more productive society that benefits everyone.

    Interestingly enough, NC has recently achieved an 80% graduation rate, the highest in god-know-how-long... Those students graduating now would have been approx. 4years old when Gov. Hunt laid the groundwork for Pre-K in 1997...

  • exteacher Feb 7, 9:22 a.m.

    Did anyone *notice* that Secretary Wos is a PHYSICIAN which means she had years of education in the subject.. including a MASTER'S in PSYCHOLOGY (which includes child development)? Don't you think she would know what is important during a child's development better than you random clowns? I'm sure she has plenty of research backing up her opinions. I'm also pretty sure her opinion is that your mother/family/community should be teaching you "(1) social development, (2) physical development, (3) emotional development, and (4) cognitive development" (wikipedia) instead of an institution that you have no role in, and I couldn't agree more.

    kiwileex3

    A master in psychology doesn't mean she studied child development. And, NO, she doesn't know what is best for young children. If she did, she would not have hired this woman. But the fact is, she has been hired to dismantle all of the early childhood programs we currently have-doing Pope's bidding.

  • exteacher Feb 7, 9:19 a.m.

    Frankly, if a person can't learn enough between the ages of 5 and 25 to be a productive member of society, then an additonal 2-3 years probabably isn't going to do much for them.

    JoCo50 at MXR

    I hope you aren't a parent! Try doing some independent research and you will see that children's brains are 90% developed by the time they are 3. The BEST time to help a child reach his/her full potential later in life is to make sure that child has had the opportunity to develop its brain to the maximum. You can't wait till a child is 5 to start educating. You think kids arrive at the schoolhouse door like an empty bucket waiting to be filled up?
    This woman has been hired to carry out Civitas' and Art Pope's plan to do away with ALL preschool opportunities (Smart Start and NC Pre-K) as well as the star rating system for day care centers. They think it will be fine to warehouse poor children until they start kindergarten. It is a sad day for NC and its most vulnerable citizens.

  • JoCo50 at MXR Feb 7, 8:55 a.m.

    Early Childhood Education is a euphemism for free daycare.

    Of course, free daycare is a popular government program, just like free food and free cellphones.

    Children need to experience childhood worse than they need to be shuttled off to some so-called early childhood education.

    Frankly, if a person can't learn enough between the ages of 5 and 25 to be a productive member of society, then an additonal 2-3 years probabably isn't going to do much for them.

  • Terkel Feb 7, 12:32 a.m.

    miseem, the only thing that occurs to me to handle the children who don't have households where education is valued, is that we have to attack that problem at the root. I know it's not this simple, but cut back on other free stuff till people stop having children they just can't raise responsibly. To do that, you need love and more. There are societal, civic, and maybe religious mores to be *respected*. Children aren't paychecks or cute accessories. They require sacrifice and work, and there are no guarantees.

    I'm not convinced that sending babies and toddlers to be warehoused by govt emps is the answer. Someone else said NC is 49th in Educ. Then pre-k isn't good education, murderers are younger and colder, and girls are killing too. Pre-k doesn't seem to do much good for at-risk kids.

  • trubtold Feb 6, 10:27 p.m.

    Now that the sun is beginning to shine on North Carolina's Tea Party Governor and legislature you can see this is heading to a divided state of rich or poor...educated and uneducated. There will be no middle ground. There will be a separate set of rules that apply to the haves and a different set for the have nots. And there will be menial vocational jobs and menial vocational education provided to supply the haves with a labor force to keep their businesses pumping. Sounds like the ole Dixie White way of running the show.

  • PeaceRH Feb 6, 8:39 p.m.

    Her comment about early learning institution causing "an entitlement mentality" is what bothers me the most... this isn't based off of research, this is this woman's opinion. Quite frankly, it sounds ignorant.

  • miseem Feb 6, 7:59 p.m.

    sabd2005-

    Very interseting comment. The studies cited in a 2011 article are from the late 1990's and 2001. Really up to date. Plus, most of the "findings" are that children learn and mature better in a household with supportive parents. Amazing, as so many people criticizing publicly funded studies say. However, some children do not have those benefits. What about them?

  • oldaltar Feb 6, 7:51 p.m.

    They are playing with fire and if they keep pushing these folks are going to cause all hell to break out.

  • allforkids Feb 6, 7:49 p.m.

    Kiwileex3 - did you "notice" that her "research" includes quoting a poll done by Glamour magazine? Yeah, really scientific.

  • miseem Feb 6, 7:47 p.m.

    It just keeps getting better and better. The inmates now have total control of the asylum.

  • kiwileex3 Feb 6, 7:37 p.m.

    Did anyone *notice* that Secretary Wos is a PHYSICIAN which means she had years of education in the subject.. including a MASTER'S in PSYCHOLOGY (which includes child development)? Don't you think she would know what is important during a child's development better than you random clowns? I'm sure she has plenty of research backing up her opinions. I'm also pretty sure her opinion is that your mother/family/community should be teaching you "(1) social development, (2) physical development, (3) emotional development, and (4) cognitive development" (wikipedia) instead of an institution that you have no role in, and I couldn't agree more.

  • Terkel Feb 6, 7:28 p.m.

    Don't forget the DCDEE is the same agency that allows its staff to decide whether a child is "at risk" ("other factors as determined by the caseworker"). Let's see, if the program goes under they'll be out of a job too. Talk about a conflict of interest!

  • Terkel Feb 6, 7:24 p.m.

    "...to appoint someone who actively advocates against Pre-K, who believes that educating our children will result in 'an entitlement mentality,' demonstrates a total lack of respect ..."

    Read that rant again carefully. Pre-k, all by itself, is suddenly equal to "educating our children"! Because she doesn't agree with pre-k, she's against educating children, PERIOD. Who's the extremist here?

  • PeaceRH Feb 6, 7:17 p.m.

    How can someone who is opposed to early education run the Division of Child Development and Early Education? How ridiculous! I'm afraid to see where NC schools are headed... I'm not sure it's in a positive direction.

  • lhankins Feb 6, 6:54 p.m.

    What I have read about Ms. Lightfoot is disturbing as it appears that she is very much in the dark about the benefits of early childhood education, especially for low income and at risk children. However, being a fair-minded person, I am willing to listen and learn from what she has to say and do in the months ahead. I am hopeful that she, too, knowledgeable, open-minded and will seek valid information in the area of early brain development, early learning experiences, and how all combined have a tremendous impact on a child's success in school, liklihood of graduating from high school and seeking higher education, and becoming productive citizens in the future. As an educator, a mother, and grandparent, one only has to observe a child from birth to age five to see clearly that the formative years are the early years, time in which a child's foundation for future success is established.

  • canesfanatic1 Feb 6, 6:52 p.m.

    U.S. students are number one after elementary school. They fall back on performance after middle and high school. There isn't much reason to "fix" something that is working fine when you have other broken pieces of the machine.

  • prozac95 Feb 6, 6:49 p.m.

    Preschool is not free daycare! It is bad enough North Carolina is 49th in the country for education, politicians want to make it worse. Children need Preschool in order to be ready for kindergarten in this century! These wonderful teachers work really hard to prepare children for kindergarten and on! It is time for North Carolina to make our children and their education a Priority!

  • allforkids Feb 6, 6:48 p.m.

    Thanks for sharing this cooldaddy. This is getting worse and worse...

    "It should be pointed out that the organization that Lightfoot has been a leader of, the National Physicians Center for Family Resources Inc, has been involved in promotion of "ex-gay therapies", disseminating disinformation about homosexuality in the US against gay marriage, and involvement in getting anti-gay death penalty laws passed in Uganda. It is a religious advocacy group promoting a specific agenda using flawed and biased research to support its extremist views. This goes beyond a "conflict of interest" and raises questions about her qualifications to serve in a position of authority in a state agency."

  • allforkids Feb 6, 6:46 p.m.

    How can someone that is opposed to early education actually be appointed to run a Department on Early Education? This is completely crazy. McCrory needs to think about the choices that Wos is making...

  • froggygirl Feb 6, 5:34 p.m.

    Many years of research have shown the benefit of early childhood education. This is a giant step backwards.

  • Worried Grandma Feb 6, 5:11 p.m.

    Well I am sad to say that I am not surprised by the absolute about face on this issue by McCrory from what he said during the campaign. I don't know why anyone believed a word he was saying.

    @Morrigan- No one stays in poverty because they don't want to get out of it. Seriously, do you believe the poor are living the good life and want to protect their right to be poor? I guess that's why more lottery tickets are bought by the poor than the wealthy because they don't want to get rich? Please try to say things that make sense.

    All current, valid data shows that early education pays off especially for the economically disadvantaged. Ms. Lightfoot is a documented conservative ideologue who has taken a public stand against early education...it is obvious that our new governor wants to pay for his campaign donors' pet projects by gutting programs that benefit those in the most need. The unemployed, disadvantaged children, the disabled and those who need affordable health insurance.

  • coolcatdaddy Feb 6, 4:57 p.m.

    It should be pointed out that the organization that Lightfoot has been a leader of, the National Physicians Center for Family Resources Inc, has been involved in promotion of "ex-gay therapies", disseminating disinformation about homosexuality in the US against gay marriage, and involvement in getting anti-gay death penalty laws passed in Uganda. It is a religious advocacy group promoting a specific agenda using flawed and biased research to support its extremist views. This goes beyond a "conflict of interest" and raises questions about her qualifications to serve in a position of authority in a state agency.

  • exteacher Feb 6, 4:43 p.m.

    "The way for the kids to get out of the cycle of poverty is education,"

    "They have to WANT to get out of it, and they don't. Hasn't history proved that?"

    What an ignorant statement!! Does an infant or toddler or pre-K child KNOW they want to stay in poverty???? Have you considered that at some point the cycle of poverty has to be broken and that by giving EVERY child a level playing field when they enter kindergarten is a HUGE step towards breaking that cycle?? You need to do some research on brain development in infants and young children. You might be amazed at what research has shown us about the infant brain. For this woman to say waiting till a child is in first grade to start remediation, etc shows how ignorant she is. This appointment is a slap in the face to the young children of NC and their futures. (She is also a Tea Party favorite, so that should tell you something about her.). How she could be appointed to oversee work that she doesn't believe in is beyond the pale.

  • smdrn Feb 6, 4:26 p.m.

    If you have to work 2 jobs and don't have the time to spend with your pre-school aged children, then maybe you shouldn't have had them. I believe in a hand-up system that helps people going through a rough time...not a hand-out system that supports all the bad choices that people make in life.

  • Terkel Feb 6, 4:25 p.m.

    "How exactly is Ms. Lighfoot expected to promote and direct early education..."

    Maybe she's going to abolish it. Your free day care is ending!

  • Terkel Feb 6, 4:24 p.m.

    GOOD! Maybe this will be a step towards people having only those children that they're prepared to make sacrifices for.

  • Terkel Feb 6, 4:22 p.m.

    "The way for the kids to get out of the cycle of poverty is education,"

    They have to WANT to get out of it, and they don't. Hasn't history proved that?

  • Terkel Feb 6, 4:20 p.m.

    "The North Carolina Democratic Party immediately criticized the move, noting the state was a national pioneer in early childhood education."

    Does that mean they can mess it up without consequence?

  • BaseBallMommy Feb 6, 4:14 p.m.

    @babbleon - I am a full time working mother and also a part time student. I don't have a ton of time either. But I still don't feel that it is the governments place to pay for our children to get an early education. If they feel school should start at 3 then maybe they should change the law to add 2 more grades.

  • hp277 Feb 6, 4:03 p.m.

    NC takes another step backwards under Republican Tea Party leadership. What a surprise.

  • justbcauz Feb 6, 3:48 p.m.

    This should prove interesting, considering the expectations placed on children as soon as they enter kindergarten. For kids who haven't been exposed to a structured preschool environment (from a social AND educational standpoint), losing pre-k programs may be most detrimental to their kindergarten classmates and teachers/teachers assistants.

  • babbleon Feb 6, 3:47 p.m.

    Each dollar put into early childhood education saves taxpayers $4 to $11 down the road. We should be expanding it.

    @BaseBallMommy: Some parents don't have the time and money to teach their kids at home. It's hard to read to your kid every night when you're working two jobs to pay rent.

    The way for the kids to get out of the cycle of poverty is education, and with the changes we've made to the curriculum, that education needs to start before kindergarten.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/wellness/story/2011/02/Early-childhood-education-benefits-both-kids-taxpayers-study-says/43259964/1

  • sabd2005 Feb 6, 3:44 p.m.

    Ms. Leslie, first let me say thank you for commenting on MS. Lightfoot's "apparent potential conflict of interest". Secondly, I read the letter on the NPC website and was very saddened by Ms. Lightfoot's outlook and opinion of ECE; as well as her reference to completely outdated research data and later use of non-scientific/research based opinions stated as facts instead of using current peer-reviewed research findings and/or should have listed the appropriate cites for all of these. How exactly is Ms. Lighfoot expected to promote and direct early education when she doesn't believe in early education as stated in the letter "Reform should start with the age groups in which children are more physically and emotionally mature, and therefore, ready to absorb and retain what they are taught (i.e. grades 1-12)" -basically 6 years and up? (http://www.physicianscenter.org/v1/positions_education-wk.php)

  • BaseBallMommy Feb 6, 3:20 p.m.

    Great to hear. Maybe she will show everyone that preschool is not necessary for one to do well in school. Also, that it is not the Governments responsibility to provide that svhooling until the child is of the age to enter the school system for kindegarten!
    Good Luck to her!!

  • laurapisoni Feb 6, 3:15 p.m.

    Oh, no. Surely this is just a bad joke.

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