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  • NCPictures Feb 7, 12:25 p.m.

    "Yeah imagine all the US sinking into the 19th century again rather than just NC. Roll on 2014 and 2016, hopefully we can rid ourselves of the cancer of the stupid party." ---Grand Union

    Right, because nothing could go wrong with a one party system, right comrade?

  • lessismore Feb 7, 10:25 a.m.

    gcmann....it's not governmenst responsibility to provide money to anyone. Capitalism is being replaced with socialism....that's a bad thing. People need to be responsible for themselves....no one is kicking anyone who is down. If I lose my job I look for another one....that's my responsibility. Plenty of part time jobs for people who are willing to work. But, it's easier to sit on the couch and complain and believe government is responsible to support you. Get a job...there are plenty of them...so says Obama, the economy is roaring back, everthing is rosy...so says Obama.

  • readit Feb 7, 8:39 a.m.

    These benifits are supposed to help people while they look for a new job. People can't expect to get the same pay rate as before. Part time work should be required if people can't find full time work after a certain period. I live off less than $350 a week or every two weeks, its hard sure but it can be done. Just find a temporary job while better things are searched for, at least you can help support yourself. There are people working 3 or 4 part time jobs to help support themselves and their families.

  • ghettovegas111 Feb 7, 4:37 a.m.

    The Republicans are so lame. Always worrying about where the money will come from. Relax. The government can print all it wants. Let not your heart be troubled.

  • gcmann Feb 6, 8:05 p.m.

    To put things in perspective -
    Last check, NC governor's salary was 140K/year, above the US average for governers. This does not count the perks that amount to way more than the salary.
    Our ex-governor's wife is collecting 90K/year for doing nothing.
    Other state officials (lieutenant gov., Sec. of State etc.)make over 123K/year, again not counting perks. You should get the idea.

    I'm afraid you will see much more crime, more businesses fail, more foreclosures, especially in NC areas where the unemployment rate is over 20 percent. People not predisposed to crime will do what it takes to feed their family.

    There are better ways to handle this debt other than kicking people when they are down.

  • wilson321 Feb 6, 3:46 p.m.

    Hey, according to Obama we're in a strong recovery! The unemployed should be able to find work in no time if you listen to the Democrats. After all we're adding almost 160K jobs a month! Hey, happy days are here again.....

  • Grand Union Feb 6, 12:03 p.m.

    "Where are the jobs for all those people who now can not even collect unemployment when they get laid off? I guess it will just be more people to apply for food stamps, Medicaid, and public assistance. More money will be spent by the state to help children and adults in need."

    yes but taxpayers will be paying for them not Companies who pay for Unemployment insurance. Is it still not clear to you who is running the State now?

  • Grand Union Feb 6, 12:01 p.m.

    "Obama said we are in a recovery, plenty of jobs. He doesn't talk about the economy or jobs any more. Why is everyone concerned with unemployment benefits????"

    because this is a State change not a federal one, many are still out of work and few of us can say we will never be unemployed.

    " Just listen to Obama....his only concerns now is immigration, gays, religion, and guns. Why is everyone so concerned with things Obama is not concerned about???"

    because this is a State issue and this is a State forum.......if you want to see people being concerned about national issues click on the Nation or Politics headers.

  • Grand Union Feb 6, 11:58 a.m.

    "Folks, just imagine if Romney had won!!"

    Yeah imagine all the US sinking into the 19th century again rather than just NC. Roll on 2014 and 2016, hopefully we can rid ourselves of the cancer of the stupid party.

  • Grand Union Feb 6, 11:55 a.m.

    "I actually heard a man say, "I found a job, but it pays less than unemployment benefits, do I have to take it, will I lose my unemployment benefits if I don't". lessismore"

    I read you saying that Obama was giving Sherman tanks to the Egyptians so doe that make that true too? And since there are still way more unemployed than there are jobs...that job still got filled, probably with someone more suited to it than someone who used to earn multiples of the salary.

  • Grand Union Feb 6, 11:50 a.m.

    "Charity or entitlements? What does churches and charity of unemployment have in common? Why all of a sudden is the left mixing religion and politics? And we need to see this type of financial management in more areas of the government. Hard decisions aren't easy OR popular sometimes. Which explains why the Libs didn't do it."

    Unemployment is something you earn by working, its not welfare or charity. and the only reason there was any debt was that companies did not pay what they needed to before and after the recession.

    This is just a money grab by big business with the added bonus that it makes employees easier to exploit.

    Still lets hope lots of those laid off off over the next few years voted GOP.....they will reap what they sowed.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 11:38 a.m.

    NC has a church on every corner, but there is no charity In their hearts only GREED. peace2u

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    Charity or entitlements? What does churches and charity of unemployment have in common? Why all of a sudden is the left mixing religion and politics? And we need to see this type of financial management in more areas of the government. Hard decisions aren't easy OR popular sometimes. Which explains why the Libs didn't do it.

  • peace2u Feb 6, 11:02 a.m.

    Folks, just imagine if Romney had won!!! We would be seeing this type of thing everywhere from the greedy GOP!!! NC has a church on every corner, but there is no charity In their hearts of the GOP, only GREED.

  • peace2u Feb 6, 10:58 a.m.

    "So many clueless in this thread. Unemployment INSURANCE is paid for, not a government handout. The business folk, back in the 90's when things looked pretty rosy convinced the powers that be to cut the rates on that insurance, and put it in their pockets instead. Now, things aren't so rosy, and the insurance fund is in the hole. Had it been properly funded all along, this wouldn't be necessary."

    Thanks, Bohica2, for your attempts to educate people! About 1 in 20 posters actually know what they're talking about.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 10:57 a.m.

    Why is everyone so concerned with things Obama is not concerned about???
    lessismore

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    Well, he's not concerned about anymore re elections, is he? Hmmmmm, could be a great reason. We knew that would happen. I'm now waiting for the pact with Putin and Russia that he was caught gaffing on a hot mic back in the fall. He said just let me get through this election and we can deal. Same as current hot issues. It will become a top issue in about 2 1/2 years when presidential candidates are being talked about. Ole BO will fire up the empty promise machine again and lay the path for Hillary. They're already best buds................Joe has to be steaming at this point!!!!

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 10:52 a.m.

    I actually heard a man say, "I found a job, but it pays less than unemployment benefits, do I have to take it, will I lose my unemployment benefits if I don't". lessismore

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    On the short time I received benefits, I was told no, I didn't have to accept a job that paid a lot less that what I was receiving at the time. I asked what was a lot, and was told it was judged on an individual bases. Former income, current benefit was taken into account to determine. Sounded sketchy to me, but ended up netting less with a job I took than if I would have stayed on UE. I was happy to take it, and 2 1/2 years later, I'm ahead of where I was in my career and income than when I got laid off in 2008. It wasn't fun, but we got through it. I did have a wife that was working which helped, but 2 kids in high school, a mortgage, credit cards, and 2 car payments made it tough.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 10:45 a.m.

    If they didn't have to pay $X a month for unemployment insurance they could be putting that X dollars in your check. Therefore it's coming out of your check indirectly. Same is true for all benefits employer funded. junkmail5

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    While I agree with that totally, I read the statement as there was no line item deduction on an individual paycheck for UE benefits. AND your statement about an employer should be able to offer healthcare OR the equivalent of the money he would pay for it back to you is spot on.

  • free2bme Feb 6, 10:45 a.m.

    Where are the jobs for all those people who now can not even collect unemployment when they get laid off? I guess it will just be more people to apply for food stamps, Medicaid, and public assistance. More money will be spent by the state to help children and adults in need.

  • lessismore Feb 6, 10:22 a.m.

    Obama said we are in a recovery, plenty of jobs. He doesn't talk about the economy or jobs any more. Why is everyone concerned with unemployment benefits???? Just listen to Obama....his only concerns now is immigration, gays, religion, and guns. Why is everyone so concerned with things Obama is not concerned about???

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 6, 9:56 a.m.

    Accounting 101, if you don't have it to spend.. don't spend it! Sorry folks but the free ride has to end. This is an incentive to actually get out and look for a job!

    Life-goes-on.
    February 6, 2013 9:27 a.m.
    _______________________ Ah, if it was just that simple. What this law does, it stop citizens of NC from getting some of the Federal money that is paid out by NC businesses. It pays back money owed, quicker, which is good, but it fails to support those who lose their jobs, rewards businesses and fails to ensure that the UE funds are solvent for the future.

  • lessismore Feb 6, 9:55 a.m.

    I actually heard a man say, "I found a job, but it pays less than unemployment benefits, do I have to take it, will I lose my unemployment benefits if I don't".

  • lessismore Feb 6, 9:53 a.m.

    Get a job and you don't have to worry about stuff like this.

  • br549znc Feb 6, 9:47 a.m.

    Good. Now get it to the Senate so they can pass it.

  • junkmail5 Feb 6, 9:39 a.m.

    This doesn't work at all. You can make the same argument about how much sick leave, vacation, health insurance, 401k matches, and pretty much ANY work benefit offered by an employer.
    Singlemalt

    Yes, you can.

    Which is why it works _exactly_

    Every dollar your employer spends on something related to the worker, that isn't salary, COULD be salary if they didn't get that other benefit.

    that's the entire point.

    Some employers offer a choice even. You can have healthcare, or you can have the dollars he would otherwise has spent on healthcare (nice to take this if you get healthcare via your spouses job for example).

    If they didn't have to pay $X a month for unemployment insurance they could be putting that X dollars in your check. Therefore it's coming out of your check indirectly.

    Same is true for all benefits employer funded.

  • Life-goes-on. Feb 6, 9:27 a.m.

    Accounting 101, if you don't have it to spend.. don't spend it! Sorry folks but the free ride has to end. This is an incentive to actually get out and look for a job!

  • Disabled Veteran Feb 6, 9:20 a.m.

    North Carolina owes the federal government more than $2.5 billion that was borrowed to pay state-funded unemployment claims.

    I'm just curious as to how much of that money lined the pockets of our politicians?

  • Singlemalt Feb 6, 9:15 a.m.

    Junkmail5;
    that's a matter of some debate.

    there's a pretty good argument that since the employer has to pay X dollars in unemployment insurance for a given employee, that is X dollars _less_ he is offering in salary for that employee.

    This doesn't work at all. You can make the same argument about how much sick leave, vacation, health insurance, 401k matches, and pretty much ANY work benefit offered by an employer.

  • junkmail5 Feb 6, 9:06 a.m.

    Where is there an incentive for people on welfare to work. Welfare benefits are for life.- superman

    Uh... what?

    First, there's only about 4.4 million total people on welfare.

    For another, they're not "for life"

    there's a maximum of 5 years of benefits, lifetime.

    And you're required by law to have obtained a job within 24 months of going on those benefits.

  • junkmail5 Feb 6, 9:02 a.m.

    YOU, the person, DO NOT PAY UNEMPLOYMENT!
    Singlemal

    that's a matter of some debate.

    there's a pretty good argument that since the employer has to pay X dollars in unemployment insurance for a given employee, that is X dollars _less_ he is offering in salary for that employee.

    In which case the employee is really the one paying it, albeit indirectly.

    "The problem is way too many people abused the system. Changes had to be made. Don't blame the lawmakers, blame the deadbeats out there." andyx3x

    if that were true (and you offer no evidence it is) then the CORRECT fix would be reform that prevents or detects such abuse.

    Not an across the board 33% cut in max benefits and a cut in length of them. That hurts -everybody- and doesn't actually address the claimed abuse at all.

  • PanthersFan45 Feb 6, 8:57 a.m.

    You can partially blame the "leeches" who kept applying for extension after extension. There are probably many of the so-called "99ers" who will claim there just weren't any jobs or that they were "over-qualified". Use what ever excuse you want but the truth is unemployment insurance was always temporary, not a way of life. The state gets partial blame too for not collecting U/E taxes from all companies. There were even companies who made a profit while not having to pay this tax. I think the maximum number of weeks needed to be cut, but NOT the benefits. I think if someone loses a decent job and can't readily find one, they won't be able to make it on these new rates (in the interim).

  • OneLove Feb 6, 8:56 a.m.

    @ Nancy: ((shudder))

  • superman Feb 6, 8:49 a.m.

    Where is there an incentive for people on welfare to work. Welfare benefits are for life. Instead of working with unemployment benefits they should be working to lower welfare benefits to get those people to work.

  • Mom120 Feb 6, 8:48 a.m.

    to andyx3x.. guess you have never been unemployed

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 8:42 a.m.

    I was unemployed for over a year. I had no idea I would find myself unemployed at 40. My husband and I were careful savers and we lived beneath our means. We cut back significantly, but there's only so much belt you can tighten. I applied for almost 1,000 jobs before I was hired as a temporary worker. And I was grateful to get that job.

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    @happymom - My same story, family and all. Hopefully the system worked for you and kept you out of foreclosure and a brighter future in store. A testament to the way we should be and not feeling the entitlement of someone else taking care of us. My journey took 2 1/2 years to get back on track, hopefully yours won't take that long.

  • Nancy Feb 6, 8:41 a.m.

    Take a few minutes to read real questions posed on the NC site about unemployment benefits and you'll understand the mindset that took over benefits and why the fraud rate is high.

    Scroll down to the lower part of the page and just understand you're reading real comments from real people in NC looking to get benefits ....

    http://unemploymenthandbook.com/state-unemployment-directory/north-carolina-unemployment

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 8:35 a.m.

    Labor unions are cringing on their seats at the notion that UE benefits are going to get cut. Why? If more people are made available for the labor force, it's simply a supply and demand factor. More labor to fill the same or less spots means cheaper labor rates for employers. It's been like that for years. It's a great time to be an employer and have the reduced labor rates and salaries (about the only advantage for small to medium business owners). These are bad times for all, but there has to be a turn in habits to create REAL change, not shallow, empty promise change.

  • lrfarms27572 Feb 6, 8:31 a.m.

    It's not a free lunch, you pay unemployment. Welfare is a free lunch. The unemployment rate is so high because there is no jobs and what few their are undocumented workers.

    maggiesp7

    i think i get what yoiu are trying to say here. sorry to preak your heart but that is simply not true.

    I have worked for 2 different companies over the past 2 years and both have struggled to get and retain employees. the last company i was with had a 75% rejection rate due to drug use! 75%!about 50% where I am now.

    Got friends all over the state with similar stories, plenty of jobs open just no one to take them. or better yet, someone will take the job work a few weeks then quit showing up.

    right back on unemployment.

    people need to get it in gear. i know too many people who have found good work in a very short amount of time by just getting up and doing something, not sitting at home on their backside waitin for the check.

  • MichaelOps Feb 6, 8:31 a.m.

    @maggie . their are undocumented workers vs. there are... and so has millions vs so have millions. There is no jobs vs are no jobs.

  • mvp4kobe Feb 6, 8:30 a.m.

    If a person makes $250 a week drawing unemployment, but gets a job offer making $350 a week, where is the incentive to get a job? Then they get extension after extension after extension. What are most people going to do? They are going to sit on their rear and just draw unemployment as long as they can.

    I know a person who drew unemployment for years with all the extensions. Then when the benefits finally ran out, he got a job within a week. He only got a job when he absolutely had to.

    You have to give many people an incentive to go get a job. If they are making close to what they would get working just on unemployment, what do you expect?

    And people aren't going to take one of the many part time jobs that are offered out there. Why? Because the money they make there is deducted from their unemployment check each week. Why do that when you can just sit at home and earn the same money?

    The system was broke and had to be fixed. It's just that simple.

  • WageSlave Feb 6, 8:29 a.m.

    Good Move, when you subsidize something, you get more of it.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 8:29 a.m.

    We pay unemployment. Well what did you do with all the money? ......maggiesp7

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    If you are an employer you pay but as an individual you don't pay a cent for UE insurance or benefits. And what happened to the money? It was borrowed from the Fed to pay benefits to the unemployed, now the state is repaying. Just because you didn't collect any, doesn't mean they are holding your share for the future. More than likely, someone abusing the benefits got yours. Happy now?

  • dontstopnow Feb 6, 8:28 a.m.

    You know, I was speaking to a young man yesterday and he is wanting to change jobs. He said he would never risk his current job without another one now with this new unemployment law getting ready to take affect. Then he laughed and said, "see this new law is working already". And he is correct. People will think twice before going on unemployment now with this new rate and length of time you can draw benefits, so it is already working.

    this is a good move on behalf of the state and the people that take pride in the state and themselves. Yes, I know some will still feel it is unfair and some will struggle, but it is necessary to heal the wounds of 'reckless spending' by the state for so many previous years.

  • MichaelOps Feb 6, 8:27 a.m.

    I just got off unemployment and here is my thing: It was easy - too easy. I felt guilty "taking from the system" but making $525 a week for not doing a thing other than taking 5 minutes a week to file online that I looked for jobs. It made me embarrassed. In all honesty, I believe there needs o be some level of community service put back into the system if you are on unemployment OR have an option to continue your education. There needs to be a subsidy system in place to re-educate folks. The same goes for any other welfare programs. Too many people have their hands out these days.

  • 1911A1 Feb 6, 8:24 a.m.

    Finally on the right track !

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 8:24 a.m.

    Let's face it, the spending has to stop and nobody thinks it is enjoyable to do this, but tough decisions are going to have to be made. 20 some weeks is a huge benefit. If the focus were on job creation, we wouldn't be blogging about free loaders on unemployment for 60+ weeks and longer. I was unemployed for a period of time in 2008 and 2009, but I found work and eventually got back into my field of expertise and back on my feet. Without motivation, there are some who will ride the program til it's broke, NOT all, but there are some. They need to get back in the game and contribute rather than drain the resources. And YES, I received the max benefit of $500, AND took a job for less net pay to get started again. Face it, Unemployment Benefits are NOT entitled to anyone, nor should they be. Receivers should be grateful for anything they receive. I'd worry about SS being available when retirement hits more so than a cut in UE benefits.

  • jhk0704 Feb 6, 8:19 a.m.

    You are incorrect, that wasn't insane, it was the correct and right thing to do. But of course the gop and McCrory don't have hte kahunas to actually do something that makes common sense and helps people. Good riddance to them, hopefully the gop will finally become obsolete.

    How is it common sense if we cant afford it? You are seriously telling me that people need 90+ weeks of unemployment? Thats insane. If you cant find a job in 60 weeks you have a problem. Im not saying its ideal but you can find a job. Our ancestors that lived through the great depression would be shaking their heads at the weakness and whininess that many Americans display today. Roll up your sleeves, quit making excuses, and make the hard decisions and dso what has to be done. No one guaranteed a great quality of life for everyone. You get life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness not the guarantee of it

  • torchhappysean Feb 6, 8:18 a.m.

    I was temporarily unemployed for 2 months last year and I'm here to tell you that trying to keep the rent, power, car insurance, and grocery bills paid on $452 a week was no easy task.. Yes thats right $452 a week because I was getting the maximum allowance BUT they DO tax that, federal mandatory and state optional, so in the end it came out to $452 a week. With that said I probably wouldn't have been able to keep my head above water if I'd only been getting the $350 that they want to reduce it to BEFORE TAXES!! As it was I had to rob Peter to pay Paul until I could find another job. Now with that said I do however aggree with the need to limit HOW LONG these benifits are good for. 2 yrs unemployed is WAY too long to go without finding a job!!! I can understand 4 to 6 months but really? Are they even trying??

  • littleriver69 Feb 6, 8:15 a.m.

    The new bill makes good sense. The deadbeats need to get off the couch and take care of themselves! Maybe now you'll WANT to go to work.

  • jhk0704 Feb 6, 8:12 a.m.

    At least McCrory's cabinet was able to get raises even before they started...that is a great job!!!

    McCrory's cabinet costs less than Bev Perdue's since there are 2 perople on it making 1 dollar a year. Perdue put us in this mess by borrowing 2+ billion from Obama and extending UE to 90+ weeks. 90+ weeks is ridiculous and because of that terrible decision by a loving liberal now UE has to be overhauled to find a way to pay that money back.

  • jctaube Feb 6, 8:10 a.m.

    Want to increase employment? Stop paying out unemployment. People will go back to work.

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