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  • pdbullard Feb 7, 2:09 p.m.

    "How about no tax exempt status for anybody?" All people pay taxes on their income. The question is when people get together and pool their after tax money to do something together, should it be tax again. Say five people pool money to buy season football tickets together and take turns going to game. Should their new football "club" pay taxes on their dues collected to buy the tickets? Of course not. Same with with people to pool their after tax income to play golf. Should volunteer fire depts pay tax on donated revenues to your fund raising events?

  • kermit60 Feb 7, 1:44 p.m.

    How about no tax exempt status for anybody? No clubs, sports teams, churches etc. As a volunteer firefighter I serve a public good, so maybe I should be alowed to claim myself as tax exempt.

  • racheliza Feb 7, 11:07 a.m.

    Ridiculous.

  • pdbullard Feb 7, 10:35 a.m.

    What about all those homeowners associations. They collect thousands in revenue and pay no taxes. All the fancy swimming pools and covered parking garages for the rich republicans and not one dime in income taxes. Unbelievable. Stop the HOA taxpayer subsidies now. Watch out rotary club, we coming for you next. And while we are at it those Girl Scout cookies bring in tremendous revenues we need to tax.

  • bombayrunner Feb 6, 6:49 p.m.

    ... and Non-Profits like Barber can harass them.

  • john51 Feb 6, 6:23 p.m.

    to wdwmk: when you spend your already-taxed money on groceries, or whatever, you don't get taxed on it again. And I mean income taxes, not sales tax. A country club is simply a way for people to pool their money in order to have something they couldn't afford individually, like a golf course. Do you really think they should be taxed a second time on their own money?

  • Ken D. Feb 6, 4:23 p.m.

    "Here is a perfect loophole to be closed, and the GOPers are screaming to keep it open"

    There is no loophole here. Just a common sense interpretation of the meaning of "income". Nobody is "screaming to keep it open" because it just isn't an important issue. I am as far from being a Republican as you can get, and I believe attempts to tax private social clubs are wrong headed and philosophically misguided.

  • krimson Feb 6, 2:57 p.m.

    Here is a perfect loophole to be closed, and the GOPers are screaming to keep it open... I'm *shocked* to see that their talk of trimming our deficits is just bologna...

  • WooHoo2You Feb 6, 12:56 p.m.

    WooHoo2You::::WRAL is a news agency not a lobbying group…they are doing exactly their intended purpose.

    They sure do cuddle up with the dems a lot, may as well be lobbying for them.-driverkid3

    You only say that when you don’t like the story / facts.

  • severaltitsup Feb 6, 11:12 a.m.

    Is the FCC and the NCPUC aware of these WRAL practces?

  • driverkid3 Feb 6, 10:41 a.m.

    WooHoo2You::::WRAL is a news agency not a lobbying group…they are doing exactly their intended purpose.

    They sure do cuddle up with the dems a lot, may as well be lobbying for them.

  • immaannoid Feb 6, 10:38 a.m.

    Maybe WRAL should investigate why Congress isn't subject to the same laws like the rest of us, how they can engage in insider trading without fear of prosecution, how they have a ridiculous retirement package and healthcare package, etc..., etc..., etc...

    Maybe WRAL should investigate how the cost of Administration at our state's universities has increase at a rate well above the cost of teaching, and the number of students? All they have to do is look at the online staff directories and find positions like "Associate Assistant to the Vice Chancellor of Things That Start with the Letter P".

    Check out how "upset" Erskine Bowles was and then ask, what's been done since?

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865570562/Tuition-is-rising-because-colleges-are-shoveling-money-to-programs-like-water-polo.html?pg=all

    Ummm, nothing!!!!!

  • Native NC gal Feb 6, 10:26 a.m.

    This is stupid.

  • DrJ Feb 6, 10:11 a.m.

    I'm not a member of any private club like these. That said, I really get tired of certain people, like this Martin character, acting like the public is somehow entitled to every cent any individual or organization owns, and somehow it's only by our grace that we let them keep any of it. Mr. Martin...NO, it is NOT our money, and NO, we are NOT subsidizing them. Nobody at the Carolina Country Club got a "dime" out of me to run their place last year.

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    “One of the trade-offs is that these documents are public documents, because it's your money and my money that is indirectly subsidizing the operation of these types of organizations,” Martin said.

  • commonsense4 Feb 6, 10:02 a.m.

    "Tax them! While you are at it, tax churches and all non-profits!

    Definitely!

  • Dollars-and-Sense Feb 6, 10:01 a.m.

    I think people are suggesting a *for profit business* should not qualify as a *non-profit* organization…strange I know. - WooHoo2You

    Well, that is the point. These entities were not created to make a profit and reward owners/shareholders.

  • severaltitsup Feb 6, 9:56 a.m.

    So, APPROXIMATELY, how long does it take the WRAL team of experts and corporate employees to review and approve (or not) approve of a post? Just saying -

  • bubbba Feb 6, 9:54 a.m.

    People always hate the rich and more fortunate. Wonder why?
    Bartmeister
    February 6, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Exactly. This is just another example of our tax money going to
    the elite. This is just plain wrong.

  • krimson Feb 6, 9:44 a.m.

    "if the club's "profit" is taxable, then the members are being taxed twice on those dues. It isn't much different than someone spending after tax dollars on any personal pursuit"

    So what??? By your logic, I get taxed twice when I go to the grocery store and buy milk, or go to McDonalds and buy a burger, or go to any business and conduct business. All of those businesses pay taxes of one sort or another. The Country Club should be no different. Do want to get taxed on your CC dues? Don't join the CC!

  • homefree Feb 6, 9:43 a.m.

    This thread provides more support of why we have such a problem with todays society. Most of the people making comments understand zero about what they are writing about. Once again these clubs have large employee staffs and support there community's in many ways. They pay tax folks and most of them loose money...where you not paying attention?? This is very simply a jab at clubs and guess what...they picked the 4 biggest clubs. Let's look around at some of the normal clubs you and I can afford. Most of these clubs struggle to keep employees working during the Winter.

  • tomfoolery Feb 6, 9:42 a.m.

    This is not the same as the NFL non-profit. Tax money is not being used to repair or maintain a private golf course.

  • Spock Feb 6, 9:35 a.m.

    Tax them! While you are at it, tax churches and all non-profits!

  • WooHoo2You Feb 6, 9:15 a.m.

    If WRAL has a beef, then they should go after the IRS or the politicians that can change it.- Dollars-and-Sense

    WRAL is a news agency not a lobbying group…they are doing exactly their intended purpose.

  • WooHoo2You Feb 6, 9:14 a.m.

    I guess people who don't like this are suggesting that these clubs should voluntarily pay taxes that they are not required by law to pay?-clintoflannagan

    I think people are suggesting a *for profit business* should not qualify as a *non-profit* organization…strange I know.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 9:13 a.m.

    People always hate the rich and more fortunate. Wonder why?

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 9:11 a.m.

    Nothing wrong with this, it helps our rich little right wingers!!!! Now, lets talk about reducing unemployment benefits. That sounds fair. geosol

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    Queen of copy and paste. Let's hope those benefits DO get reduced. More will go find a job then. Maybe even at the Carolina CC. They have a need for a very diverse group from waiters and cooks to groundskeepers and parking attendants.

  • WooHoo2You Feb 6, 9:09 a.m.

    WRAL seems to think that when you take that $25,000 and put it into your checking account getting ready to write the check to the dealer, that $25,000 somehow is now income and should be taxed again?? Insane.- jcthai

    The only “insane” thing is WRAL did not suggest anything of the sort....

  • Dollars-and-Sense Feb 6, 9:08 a.m.

    So what's the problem? Corporations have stockholders that receive dividends. Country Clubs and similar non-profits do not pay dividends. Yes, I know these entities are not charitable. But the tax code allows for these types of non-profits to exist. If WRAL has a beef, then they should go after the IRS or the politicians that can change it.

    Now suppose that these types of entities were required to pay tax on their net income (profit), I am sure that some organizations will always assure that revenues = expenses in each fiscal year thereby reporting $0 taxable profit.

  • Bartmeister Feb 6, 9:04 a.m.

    I wish I was a member. That place is extremely nice. I went with the Underhills..........

  • clintoflannagan Feb 6, 8:58 a.m.

    This would actually be a news story if there was some allegation that these clubs had somehow violated the law by apply for nonprofit status and taking advantage of the tax benefits that apply to nonprofits.

    But I didn't see anything in the article about anything illegal. It looks to me like it's some organizations complying with laws that have been on the books since way before Republicans took over.

    I guess people who don't like this are suggesting that these clubs should voluntarily pay taxes that they are not required by law to pay?

  • jcthai Feb 6, 8:48 a.m.

    superman, you are right. So, let's say you made $50,000 this year in taxable income. You pay income tax on that. You decide to take $25,000 of what's left to buy a car. Once you own the car, you pay a property tax on it. But WRAL seems to think that when you take that $25,000 and put it into your checking account getting ready to write the check to the dealer, that $25,000 somehow is now income and should be taxed again?? Insane.

  • jcthai Feb 6, 8:45 a.m.

    I'm not sure what the outrage is about. Some rich people decide to have a club. They pay dues to pay for their clubhouse. It pays for building their golf course. Etc. etc. They pay property tax on all the stuff they buy. So, if some years they take in more than they spend, why should it be taxed? i don't see a country club as an income generating entity. The purpose of it is not to generate income and it cannot pay dividends. I'm surprised that WRAL is getting their panties in a knot over this.

    So, suppose you as in individual decide to build a golf course. You buy some land. You build the course. You build a clubhouse. You pay property tax on the land and building. So why should the govt. tax the money you spent on building it? A bunch of guys getting together to do the same thing is no different.

  • dabink Feb 6, 8:42 a.m.

    After 100 years of corrupt Dems running NC, listen to all those Dems already blaming Republicans for everything. Very pathetic, very typical.

  • tiblet Feb 6, 8:40 a.m.

    country clubs provide a way for people with means to buy into a community that makes them feel better about themselves. They do not serve the greater good and I don't understand the rationale for giving them non profit status.

  • mr clean Feb 6, 8:19 a.m.

    "Nothing wrong with this, it helps our rich little right wingers!!!! Now, lets talk about reducing unemployment benefits for the poor and middle class. That sounds fair."

    Sounds fair to me. Why should the money I work for go to pay someone to sit on the couch and watch Oprah all day when I need a new set of clubs?

  • hp277 Feb 6, 8:15 a.m.

    Corporate welfare queens - you gotta love it! I'm sure our new Tea Party legislature and governor will be all over this (as in figuring out what other giveaways they can find for their rich golf buddies).

  • superman Feb 6, 8:14 a.m.

    john51 You need to understand that no matter how I spend my money it has been taxed. So what difference is there when I use it to buy a car or join a country club. The car dealer has to pay tax. So when does paying taxes stop? I have to pay taxes on my cars every year and I purchased them with money that I paid taxes on. Guess paying taxes by the rich stops but the poor people pay for the rest of their life. I pay taxes every year on the house I purchased that I paid taxes on.

  • wdwmk Feb 6, 8:04 a.m.

    Everyone needs to understand that the bulk of a country club's income is from dues and assessments paid by the members, with money that has already been taxed. The report correctly stated that dues are not deductible; if the club's "profit" is taxable, then the members are being taxed twice on those dues. It isn't much different than someone spending after tax dollars on any personal pursuit - they shouldn't be taxed again on their own money. John Anthony, CPA - Wilson, NC

    John, If that is the case, than all of us should be free to use our pay (that we are taxed on) to do anything we want (buy food, gas, travel, etc) tax free. After all, I already paid income tax on it. I really don't get your reasoning.

  • THEdrlefty Feb 5, 7:38 p.m.

    WTH? Our enlightened legislature is considering giving EVERY corporation (Republican 'people') a free ride at the expense of real people who pay sales taxes.

  • immaannoid Feb 5, 7:25 p.m.

    Nothing wrong with that.

  • RandolphBloke Feb 5, 7:22 p.m.

    Gotta love all the corporate welfare going on in instances like this while the Republicans spend all day in Raleigh ensuring the regular folks get shafted.

  • john51 Feb 5, 6:50 p.m.

    Everyone needs to understand that the bulk of a country club's income is from dues and assessments paid by the members, with money that has already been taxed. The report correctly stated that dues are not deductible; if the club's "profit" is taxable, then the members are being taxed twice on those dues. It isn't much different than someone spending after tax dollars on any personal pursuit - they shouldn't be taxed again on their own money. John Anthony, CPA - Wilson, NC

  • Wheelman Feb 5, 6:48 p.m.

    chip8,

    You might want to check into a lot of these "do-good" non-profits and see exactly what they are doing with their money. A lot of it goes to paying big salaries to the head honcho and not too much to those they are supposed to be helping. Much of this money is taxpayer money they get through gov. grants etc. At least the country clubs are using private funds and not your tax dollars.

  • Ex-Republican Feb 5, 6:33 p.m.

    And your point is????

  • chip8 Feb 5, 6:32 p.m.

    The rules are different when you are at the top.

    Your "invitation only" club pays no taxes on any of its "masters of the universe" members dues.

    It will be interesting to see if our conservative brothers in the legislature tap this keg of money by requiring these most exclusive bastions to pay their fair share.

    When you're at the top you also get your license to practice law back after a felony "Alford" conviction. Pleading guilty but proclaiming innocence... only in America.

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