"It is not only private citizens who can go "Stupid" with a firearm...what's next ? Do we ban police departments or ex police from having guns ? " - Tomcat123

It gets worse. So far the police, in looking for this criminal, have shot two innocent women and also fired on another vehicle. The police are armed, spooked, and dangerous.

It is not only private citizens who can go "Stupid" with a firearm...what's next ? Do we ban police departments or ex police from having guns ?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/07/suspect-identified-in-deaths-cal-state-coach-fiance/

By strict definition an assault rifle has to be selective fire capable (semi, burst, or fully auto). Semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 or Tommy Gun are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective-fire capable.

US Army states same The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges

So does Defense Department As the United States Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency book Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide explains, “assault rifles” are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.” In other words, assault rifles are battlefield rifles which can fire automatically.

Why are anti-gun people, Obama, and Dianne Feinstein trying to include Semi automatic military looking rifles as assault rifles ?

@blackops762 I agree, he took guns from the Jews, not the Nazi party or friends of the party.

It begins with an account of post-World War I chaos, which led to the enactment in 1928 by the liberal Weimar republic of Germany's first comprehensive gun control law. Next, the Nazi seizure of power in 1933 was consolidated by massive searches and seizures of firearms from political opponents, who were invariably described as "communists." After five years of repression and eradication of dissidents, Hitler signed a new gun control law in 1938 which benefited Nazi party members and entities but denied firearm ownership to enemies of the state.

Later that year, in Kristallnacht (the Night of the Broken Glass), in one fell swoop, the Nazi regime disarmed Germany's Jews. Without any ability to defend themselves, the Jewish population could easily be sent to concentration camps for the Final Solution.

@jjsmith1973 Apparently, you missed the point I was trying to make. By strict definition an assault rifle/weapon has to be selective fire capable (semi, burst, or fully auto). Semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 or my 45 Cal Tommy Gun are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective-fire capable. Because they look like assault rifles/weapons or have high capacity mags or were not designed for deer hunting doesn't make them assault weapons.

And I was referring to the 1934 NFA which banned machine guns and not the 1968 NFA which I think overrode the 1934

I never said no one could not own a machine gun. I stated (machine gun owners are mostly collectors and it takes a lots of oks/paperwork from government and local law enforcement to own one)

And, yes if the Feds and Senator Feinstein have their way I believe it will eventually lead to gun confiscation no mater what kind of gun it is.

If you really want a glaring example of how worthless the Kellermann report is, consider the Fort Hood shootings. How was that shooter stopped? While people like Grand Union won’t admit it, lives were probably saved when the shooter was taken down by gunfire. At the very least, the criminal action was brought to an end by the use of a firearm (i.e. if he hadn't received return fire, he would have kept on shooting people until he got tired or ran out of ammo). Yet Kellermann would NOT count this as a case of a gun stopping a crime because the gunman wasn’t killed when he was stopped.

“Only the NRA discredited them. Hardly a non biased source.” - Plenty Coups

Every logical, intelligent person that understands statistics and reason has discredited them. Google and you’ll find plenty. Better yet, read it yourself. The only time he credits the positive use of a firearm is when the bad guy was shot dead. He doesn’t count wounding. He doesn’t count brandishing. He doesn’t count the thousands of other cases in which a firearm STOPPED the crime.

@blackops762 I'm so sick of the Hitler took the guns comment. No he didn't. He did exactly the opposite. He relaxed the gun regulation that were put in place before he took power. GOD read a history book!

hey GRAND UNION!!!!! Why don't the Brits ban bombs? I think there have been more killed / injured by bombs in England than in the U.S.

"Kellermann? The one that produced flawed analysis because he only counted DEAD bad guys instead of wounded, held at bay, scared off, etc.? His work has been discredited many times over."

Only the NRA discredited them. Hardly a non biased source.

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