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pm2 Feb 15, 12:20 p.m.
If you wnt to consider parol, consider that they really should have not have been out at the time of the murder due to parol violations. I will be glad when the gun control laws are in place so we will not have to deal with all thee senseless gun crimes...
jackcdneh1017 Feb 6, 3:46 p.m.
Wow! There is almost zero possibility of a rational discussion on these forums when folks cannot even read and understand the news as printed. No where does it say this guy WILL qualify for parole. No where is the crime he committed diminished or Eve Carson's memory tarnished. This is simply the state of North Carolina falling into line with the constitutional interpretation of SCOTUS. Once Lovette is re-sentenced to LWOP, which he.surely will be, there will be one less appealable avenue open to him. This is simply a housekeeping item, nothing to fret about.
lovingmylife Feb 6, 12:13 p.m.
This is just plain bull. Eve Carson doesn't get a reduction in her sentence. Our justice system sucks!
feistyredhead2001 Feb 6, 11:44 a.m.
I agree 150% with whatdaheck ! I can not believe they want to try and charge his as a minor ... at 17, 18, or even 15.... if you have NO regard for human life .. NOT TO MENTION HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE, then we the public and jury of his peers should have no regard for his life! I'm sure weather he is charged as a minor or an adult.... the victims families believe his age had NOTHING to do with his lack of responsibility to his fellow man to be kind and do no harm. We have the responsibility to the victims to make sure he pays for his crimes and lack of compassion for human life.
jackflash123 Feb 6, 11:39 a.m.
"Fancy words that are far removed from the main intent of criminal law: JUSTICE."
Yeah, we should just replace our entire court system w/ some guy who can yell "JUSTICE!" really loudly and dramatically. I recommend Mel Gibson, if he's available. He did a great job w/ "FREEDOM!"
jackflash123 Feb 6, 11:34 a.m.
"You would be singing a different tune if you had an immediate family member or loved one brutally murdered. Not knowing this gut-punching grief, you can easily pontificate to the rest of us your enlightened, high-minded ideals in complete ignorance."
1. You mean like Ms. Carson's family, who has publicly stated their opposition to the death penalty?
2. You mean the only respectable positions anyone holds are those formed at the height of emotional distress?
Whatdaheck Feb 6, 11:06 a.m.
Resentencing would be a very good idea if the new sentence is execution.
foghat001 Feb 6, 11:06 a.m.
Sentence him to 80 years in prison w/o the possiblity of parole. :-)
Rebelyell55 Feb 6, 10:43 a.m.
So now he gets life in prison , minus 1 day?
USAF Vet Feb 6, 10:07 a.m.
So where do we begin..? How do we initiate the process to change the current state and federal laws we have on hand? As far as age, this shouldn't even come close to being a discussion when one person not only murders another person, but in such a savage and horrific manner. Times have changed and our laws must reflect those changes... a 15 year old involved in a crime today doesn't have the same innocent mannerisms as they might have had 20-30 years ago. Both parties must put aside political motives and modify criminal laws that will protect citizens the most. Gun related crime sentences must change. Probation laws must change. The "consideration of age" laws must change. Plea deals must change. The "rights" of prisoners... DEFINITELY must change. NC death penalty sentences must change. At some point, common sense must become apart of the law process. So where do we start..? Elected officials, current lawmakers, the senate, congress..?
rcrdngcountry Feb 6, 9:52 a.m.
well, there's no hope for justice in north carolina, just go ahead
and turn him out. NORTH CAROLINA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF IT'S JUSTICE
SYSTEM. LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THOSE SO CALLED LEADERS, NEW GONERVER AND
ALL THE republicans WOULD TRY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.but no, its the
same old justice system, NO JUSTICE.
Country Girlz Have MORE fun Feb 6, 9:52 a.m.
He killed this woman...Ended her life !
mramorak Feb 6, 9:46 a.m.
If this were a judge or a police officer's daughter he would never see the light of day again.
dixiechic Feb 6, 9:28 a.m.
Too harsh?? What the heck!
cindyceasidec4 Feb 6, 9:26 a.m.
Really? while the appeal process and the supreme court ruling are positive examples of our judicial system, is there any question about mitigating circumstances or knowing right from wrong shooting someone four times before they are finally killed?
Bartmeister Feb 6, 8:59 a.m.
That's fine. Just render the same decision or as close as possible to keep him in prison for long long long time. Rehabilitation has been proven to not work with a large majority of the criminal population anyway.
scott34 Feb 6, 8:37 a.m.
well i wonder why we have such a crime problem. You can just murder an innocent person who would have been a contributer to society,murdered by two cokroches who have and will continue to suck the state dry. DEATH should be the sentence.
we-r-just-human Feb 5, 7:38 p.m.
I don't agree about reducing the sentence, but I'm glad that WRAL rewrote this story so to leave out the part about the "sentence was harsh" That part struck a nerve.
dougbogard Feb 5, 7:36 p.m.
Why is this murderer still alive and on the states bill?
He is what 2-0, killing for fun and profit?
Ask Eve if this is justice, ask her if it is fair.
The justice system is a joke.
See Chart Feb 5, 7:35 p.m.
Just my feeling that these predator's
killed her because she had a little more then they did.
That's why they are predators ,hard to recognize these psychological psychotics in advance of their committing
crimes that horrify us all.
Maybe they both will get "street justice" in jail one day.
jjsmith1973 Feb 5, 7:29 p.m.
@timexliving Umm ok and since the law is written and decided in a way that states there must be a resentancing hearing how is that fancy words that are far removed from the main intent of criminal law? Justice in our system was actually set up to protect the innocent and the rights of the person charged even protect certain rights in sentancing. You forgo those rights to feel better about this instance then fine. Don't complain when they start to jail people, fining them in excese for something like not wearing a seat belt. That is where this leads as the scales tip to make people feel they got "justice" in something that is horrible because you can't bring her back.
scnewton Feb 5, 7:20 p.m.
Why doesn't the court of appeals release him .Wonder how long he would last on the outside??? Maybe we need to reevaluate the count of appeals!!!
Ex-Republican Feb 5, 7:15 p.m.
"it is about the law and how it is prescribed in the confines of what it is to be."
Fancy words that are far removed from the main intent of criminal law: JUSTICE.
Ex-Republican Feb 5, 7:13 p.m.
"Our hypocrisy is okay because we're so outraged!" jackflash123
You would be singing a different tune if you had an immediate family member or loved one brutally murdered. Not knowing this gut-punching grief, you can easily pontificate to the rest of us your enlightened, high-minded ideals in complete ignorance.
surffish Feb 5, 7:08 p.m.
Me: "he was not fit to wipe her shoes, truly."
jackflash123 "I suspect that's an attitude you would have had well before their paths ever crossed."
Me: Newsflash, jackflash123: You suspect WRONG. He proved he was not fit to wipe Eve's shoes by what he DID to her. What don't you get about that? Geez....
jackflash123 Feb 5, 7:05 p.m.
"This isn't about her, this isn't about him, this isn't even about the crime, it is about the law and how it is prescribed in the confines of what it is to be."
You're a breath of fresh air around here, jjsmith.
jmrado47 Feb 5, 7:02 p.m.
North Carolina should pass the two strikes law. The state of Georgia passed the law back in the 1990s. It removes the serious offenders from the street. I suggest contacting Governor McCrory to get this law passed.
jackflash123 Feb 5, 6:58 p.m.
"WTH. I agree that it is unfair to have sentenced this vermin to a life sentence. I should have been the same sentence the he and his scum bucket buddy sentenced Eve Carlson to."
Yeah! Two wrongs make a right! We're no better than they are, except we are because we can find a way to rationalize it because they did it first! Our hypocrisy is okay because we're so outraged!
Ex-Republican Feb 5, 6:55 p.m.
"Good luck convincing the next Lawrence Lovette he ought to respect life and maintain hope that he can become anything" jackflash123
Uh, that's the job of Lovette's parents!
jjsmith1973 Feb 5, 6:55 p.m.
This isn't about her, this isn't about him, this isn't even about the crime, it is about the law and how it is prescribed in the confines of what it is to be.
jackflash123 Feb 5, 6:54 p.m.
"This is why criminals like Lovette do what they do. They know the system isn't going to do nothing by slap them on the hand!"
This isn't a James Bond movie or a James Patterson novel where all the villains are evil geniuses. You're giving Lovette too much credit. He was a high school drop-out who didn't think his actions through and didn't have the slightest idea or concern about how the system worked. Let's identify REAL ways in which the system needs fixing and support those fixes. Attributing some complex, sinister scheme to two-bit criminals isn't going to accomplish anything.
jjsmith1973 Feb 5, 6:53 p.m.
commenters on this site are some of the most bemusing people ever. You complain about gun rights and tyrannical governments then when it comes to resentancing because of constitutional law, not letting the person off, not another hearing, just following the law. You scream about the injustice. How the heck do you think you get to a point of even having to worry about a tyrannical government. It is because you look at law as they don't care about the victim because they are following the consitution and interpratation set forth by the Supreme Court.
jackflash123 Feb 5, 6:44 p.m.
"he was not fit to wipe her shoes, truly."
I suspect that's an attitude you would have had well before their paths ever crossed. Good luck convincing the next Lawrence Lovette he ought to respect life and maintain hope that he can become anything.
sunshine1040 Feb 5, 6:38 p.m.
Is this the courts way of saying her life was not important. she got a death sentence and not even a jury made the decision.
jjsmith1973 Feb 5, 6:38 p.m.
WMP8396 I did read it, I never said he did anything wrong that is the point. They have to resentance because of the law but people don't think the law should apply. This is an application as the law as it stands because the supreme court. You show your true colors as soon as you injected "DEMOCRAT VOTER" in it. We see what it is you think about law and how it should apply
Lady Marksman Feb 5, 6:38 p.m.
I am sorry for Eve Carson's friends and family. To have all of this brought up again is like ripping a scab off a deep wound.
How tragic that there are people in power that think this 'man' deserves resentancing. It doesn't matter that he probably will get the same sentance - Life Without Parole. What matters is that criminals are going to continue doing what they do best - stealing, hurting, raping and killing to get what they want. The entire time knowing that either way they will come out on top! They get the spoils of there crime or if caught they go to prison where they get 3 meals, warm bed, medical/dental care, tv, sex etc. The 'threat' of prison to most of these criminals is not a threat for them - it's like going home!
Rebelyell Feb 5, 6:34 p.m.
Another example of sneaking out the cracks in the system. This is why life terms don't deter. The criminals see that others get off. Get pardoned. Get clemency. Soft punishment=more murders just like this one.
clearwaterman Feb 5, 6:28 p.m.
The sentence he should have got and should get is to be handed over to Eve's family!
k557451 Feb 5, 6:27 p.m.
Remember he killed twice, he also murdered a Duke student; what a lesson our incompetant Supreme's are teaching. Live in an ivory tower and you lose all sense of the real world.
timetochange Feb 5, 6:07 p.m.
jjsmith.....just because he CAN get the same punishment doesn't mean he will. Before youjump off into your diatribe, use a little common sense.
wmp8396 Feb 5, 6:01 p.m.
jjsmith1973: You can't have it both ways! You can't allow a Judge to violate law because you decide that guy is bad. Then allow them not too by mistake and hang the Judge because those people were bad. Wrong answer. You obviously did not read the appeal judgement before writing your long winded diatribe. If you actually took the time to read the judgement, you would notice this Judge did absolutely nothing wrong at the time of sentencing. The case that affects this refuse happened after this potential Democrat voter went to trial. As in post trial---not before.
surffish Feb 5, 5:38 p.m.
This article was so very difficult for me to read... a completely senseless death of someone so brilliant and compassionate who would have made a DIFFERENCE in this world, and now one of her killers has the possibility of one day walking our streets again? Where is the justice? Eve Marie Carson's killer deserves NOTHING but the death penalty or life without the possibility of parole. As tears roll down my face, I don't even have words to describe what I'm feeling right now; he was not fit to wipe her shoes, truly. I just hope and pray that he is NEVER EVER released from prison.
jjsmith1973 Feb 5, 5:36 p.m.
anyone read the article that he can still get the same exact sentace? I did. Anyone realize that this is a issue of executing proper law per the law or is it ok for the law to cut corners in a case of this nature but fry the judge in things such as DWI like Judge Ruth? You can't have it both ways! You can't allow a Judge to violate law because you decide that guy is bad. Then allow them not too by mistake and hang the Judge because those people were bad. Our system doesn't work for those that scream punishment needs to be more to prevent crime. We prison more people then Russia and China combined with less population and crime doesn't stop. The system doesn't work and cost lots of money. As long as we have people that think like these commenters more will die tomorrow and punishment won't stop it because your solution doesn't work.
BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah Feb 5, 5:27 p.m.
Nancy Feb 5, 5:14 p.m.
"I think it's still possible for this person to repent, and so I don't think he should be locked up forever."
Go visit him while he's in prison, care for him then.
CraftyMo Feb 5, 5:09 p.m.
What in the world? Why are our tax dollars being wasted on a murderer's retrial? They think life without parole is too harsh?!! What has happened to our justice system? How about protecting the rights of innocent victims and their family?! It seems that all too often now we read in the news or watch on tv the fact that we are not treating our convicted murderers, rapists, felons fairly like everyone else. That is the whole idea! They are not like us and they do not deserve the same privileges. They chose to committ crimes against others - it was a conscious decision they chose to make. This whole story is just appalling to me.
jackflash - to practice humanity toward a killer is in letting them live - short and sweet. These criminals count on our being humane to them when they commit these horrible crimes. They feel entitled to be treated better than their poor victims. Maybe if there were stronger punishments for comitting crimes then maybe there would be less crimes committed.
jwjsdj Feb 5, 5:05 p.m.
He Deserves NEVER to Walk a Free Day Ever! This is Only ONE Crime he was Caught at! How many Dozens did he Committ and Didn't Get Caught!!
rmsmith Feb 5, 5:05 p.m.
Repent for his actions ? I do not think so. He was old enough to know better. Do the crime......do the time.
THAT is the reason this country is in trouble as people are NOT held accountable for their actions.
rmsmith Feb 5, 5:01 p.m.
I do not know the costs but lets use $30K per year for prison. Hot meals, TV, rec room, etc. If he lives til 70, that is 53 years of jail time or well over $1.5 million paid for by taxpayers for his "upkeep"
I'm sorry but the punishment did not fit the brutal crime
cbarrette Feb 5, 4:54 p.m.
I can't imagine a man being in jail for life over an action he made before he was an adult WITHOUT him having some sort of remorse, regret, or true repentance. I agree with the appeal. I think it's still possible for this person to repent, and so I don't think he should be locked up forever.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03