"Will you sit in a corner and beg for your life while some bad guy is raping your wife or your daughter? I will not. - beachboater"

Dude that is spot on!

Until you've been the victim of a crime you'll never understand the overwhelming desire to protect yourself and your family even if it means taking someone's life. Been down that road and was unable to protect a loved one who was very dear to me. It will not happen again if I have any say so about it.

“You can still own a hunting rifle or a Shotgun.” - Grand Union

You’ve already stated that you want my hunting rifle and shotgun banned.

"Perhaps you think your life is worth killing four other people for but I don't." Grand Union

If those 4 other people are bad guys breaking into my house with my family inside, I absolutely think my life and those of my family are worth killing 4 bad guys for. I worked hard for my home, and I love my family with all my heart. My home my castle, and if a bad guy tries to invade my castle, I will do everything in my power to stop them. And that includes owning a gun, practicing with that gun, and not being afraid to use it.

Will you sit in a corner and beg for your life while some bad guy is raping your wife or your daughter? I will not.

"I'm a citizen so have as much right to express my opinion as you....so why don't YOU leave :)" Grand Union

You are absolutely right Grand Union. The difference is that we love America and believe in the Constitution, you want to abolish the Constitution. So, if someone needs to leave, I would vote (my right) would be for the one to leave being you.

Your arguements mirror your fellow countryman Piers Morgan. That man is a fool, and your arguements are the same as his.

“Guns never played much of a part in crime” – Grand Union

Then quit comparing the US to the UK! If the crimes are different, then gun control will be different too. You point to the UK as an example of what gun control can do yet now you’re admitting gun control had no part of it.

“now prove that any of those people would have died without the guy having a gun” – Grand Union

So you’re claiming that taking guns away from criminals before they shoot will save lives, but stopping the criminals in the act of shooting doesn’t? Your anti-gun religion has made you irrational, but that’s typical with just about any religion. You can’t see it because you’re inside the delusional bubble.

Grand Union and Piers Morgan are one the same leven when talking about gun rights. They are lost as a goose in a hail storm. They blabber on and on but don't have a clue what they are talking about. I guess it's an American thang.....you had to live here to know about it.

“I don't. Next?” - Grand Union

Is today opposite day? You do it constantly. You never concede the positive use of a gun to stop criminals. It’s always “what if”, or “we weren’t there so we don’t know”, etc. But if the story is a negative gun story, no questions asked. You accept the article as gospel. Or are you blaming it all on that other fellow called Haggis Basher?

“hard to get exact figures” – Grand Union

How about a guess? 15K? 20K? Plenty of incidents to gather info from.

“So it doesn't matter how many they save if they result in 4X more deaths overall.” - Grand Union

So you don’t have the numbers for your simple math? Other countries are irrelevant. But if for example, 20K AMERICAN lives are saved by guns, then that’s better than the 8K that aren’t saved. See how simple math works?

"Perhaps you should read the article. Why is it that when the article is anti-gun, you believe it word for word, yet when it shows the positive use of a gun you question it? "

I don't. Next?

"I think we should outlaw cars that go faster than 10 mph. Far more people have been killed by cars than privately owned guns in this country."

actually cars will soon account for less deaths than guns and of course they are used far far far more often....and are heavily regulated.

" We should also outlaw knives, axes, hammers and every other kind of tool known to have killed someone. Because, you know, if it's illegal, then no one will ever be able to get one and use it to kill again. Wake up folks! If someone wants to commit murder, they will find a means to do it and the "LAW" won't mean anything to them."

yes but they will be less successful in doing so, going by murder rates in countries where guns are not really an issue (ie everywhere else in the civilized world) your "weapons" will kill at only about 1/4 the rate. thats about 8000 Americans alive each and every year that currently die.

"I think we should outlaw cars that go faster than 10 mph. Far more people have been killed by cars than privately owned guns in this country. We should also outlaw knives, axes, hammers and every other kind of tool known to have killed someone"

Yes, lets take it a step further and take away the guns from our soldiers and give them those same knives, axes, hammers etc. since they are just as effective at killing people.

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