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  • talmagemark Feb 6, 4:33 p.m.

    "Will you sit in a corner and beg for your life while some bad guy is raping your wife or your daughter? I will not. - beachboater"

    Dude that is spot on!

    Until you've been the victim of a crime you'll never understand the overwhelming desire to protect yourself and your family even if it means taking someone's life. Been down that road and was unable to protect a loved one who was very dear to me. It will not happen again if I have any say so about it.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 6, 2:50 p.m.

    “You can still own a hunting rifle or a Shotgun.” - Grand Union


    You’ve already stated that you want my hunting rifle and shotgun banned.

  • beachboater Feb 6, 10:34 a.m.

    "Perhaps you think your life is worth killing four other people for but I don't." Grand Union

    If those 4 other people are bad guys breaking into my house with my family inside, I absolutely think my life and those of my family are worth killing 4 bad guys for. I worked hard for my home, and I love my family with all my heart. My home my castle, and if a bad guy tries to invade my castle, I will do everything in my power to stop them. And that includes owning a gun, practicing with that gun, and not being afraid to use it.

    Will you sit in a corner and beg for your life while some bad guy is raping your wife or your daughter? I will not.

  • beachboater Feb 6, 10:26 a.m.

    "I'm a citizen so have as much right to express my opinion as you....so why don't YOU leave :)" Grand Union

    You are absolutely right Grand Union. The difference is that we love America and believe in the Constitution, you want to abolish the Constitution. So, if someone needs to leave, I would vote (my right) would be for the one to leave being you.

    Your arguements mirror your fellow countryman Piers Morgan. That man is a fool, and your arguements are the same as his.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 6, 8:37 a.m.

    “Guns never played much of a part in crime” – Grand Union


    Then quit comparing the US to the UK! If the crimes are different, then gun control will be different too. You point to the UK as an example of what gun control can do yet now you’re admitting gun control had no part of it.


    “now prove that any of those people would have died without the guy having a gun” – Grand Union


    So you’re claiming that taking guns away from criminals before they shoot will save lives, but stopping the criminals in the act of shooting doesn’t? Your anti-gun religion has made you irrational, but that’s typical with just about any religion. You can’t see it because you’re inside the delusional bubble.

  • lessismore Feb 5, 7:51 p.m.

    Grand Union and Piers Morgan are one the same leven when talking about gun rights. They are lost as a goose in a hail storm. They blabber on and on but don't have a clue what they are talking about. I guess it's an American thang.....you had to live here to know about it.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 5, 6:56 p.m.

    “I don't. Next?” - Grand Union


    Is today opposite day? You do it constantly. You never concede the positive use of a gun to stop criminals. It’s always “what if”, or “we weren’t there so we don’t know”, etc. But if the story is a negative gun story, no questions asked. You accept the article as gospel. Or are you blaming it all on that other fellow called Haggis Basher?


    “hard to get exact figures” – Grand Union


    How about a guess? 15K? 20K? Plenty of incidents to gather info from.


    “So it doesn't matter how many they save if they result in 4X more deaths overall.” - Grand Union


    So you don’t have the numbers for your simple math? Other countries are irrelevant. But if for example, 20K AMERICAN lives are saved by guns, then that’s better than the 8K that aren’t saved. See how simple math works?

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:14 p.m.

    "Perhaps you should read the article. Why is it that when the article is anti-gun, you believe it word for word, yet when it shows the positive use of a gun you question it? "

    I don't. Next?

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:12 p.m.

    "I think we should outlaw cars that go faster than 10 mph. Far more people have been killed by cars than privately owned guns in this country."

    actually cars will soon account for less deaths than guns and of course they are used far far far more often....and are heavily regulated.

    " We should also outlaw knives, axes, hammers and every other kind of tool known to have killed someone. Because, you know, if it's illegal, then no one will ever be able to get one and use it to kill again. Wake up folks! If someone wants to commit murder, they will find a means to do it and the "LAW" won't mean anything to them."

    yes but they will be less successful in doing so, going by murder rates in countries where guns are not really an issue (ie everywhere else in the civilized world) your "weapons" will kill at only about 1/4 the rate. thats about 8000 Americans alive each and every year that currently die.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 5, 4:11 p.m.

    "I think we should outlaw cars that go faster than 10 mph. Far more people have been killed by cars than privately owned guns in this country. We should also outlaw knives, axes, hammers and every other kind of tool known to have killed someone"

    Yes, lets take it a step further and take away the guns from our soldiers and give them those same knives, axes, hammers etc. since they are just as effective at killing people.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:08 p.m.

    "How many lives are SAVED by guns per year? If it’s simple math, surely you have those numbers too. The problem is the stats you use ONLY counts DEAD bad guys."

    hard to get exact figures but since there are lots of other Western Democracies out there to compare the US with it clear that guns result in an extra net 8000 deaths every year in the US. So it doesn't matter how many they save if they result in 4X more deaths overall. Perhaps you think your life is worth killing four other people for but I don't.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:05 p.m.

    "Kermit60: "Hey Grand Union, every day you get on here and bash this country. If it is so bad and you think it is so wrong, there is a plane out of RDU today that will take you back to wherever it is you came from. By your flag I assume that is GB. The colonists didn't win independance from your people by being nice to them."

    I'm a citizen so have as much right to express my opinion as you....so why don't YOU leave :)

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:03 p.m.

    "While comparing two different countries is like comparing apples to oranges, what was the gun murder rate in the UK before the big gun ban? Given how much you harp on the comparison, I’m guessing it must have been twice as high. Right? "

    There was no big gun ban in the UK. Guns never played much of a part in crime and it was a couple of massacres that got "Assault"
    weapons and then handguns banned. You can still own a hunting rifle or a Shotgun. The point is that regulation can get guns out of the hands of petty criminals and nuts and if you do the murder rate is likely to be much lower.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 4:00 p.m.

    "“what kind of nut thinks they need a gun to defend themselves?” - Grand Union If you need more, let me know..."

    now prove that any of those people would have died without the guy having a gun.....you can't can you? Meanwhile its easy to prove how many people are murdered each day even when we don't get massacres like Sandyhook. The NRA has made it their job to make sure its easy for everybody to get a gun. Unfortunately "everybody" includes Criminals and mental cases. The NRA are a bigger threat to me and my Family than the Taliban is.

  • Heights Feb 5, 3:53 p.m.

    Grand Union - OK. So US policy negatively impacts Mexico and Canada. But why such a big difference bewtween the Mexican and Canadian rates? They both have significant control measures in place yet Canadian rate is roughly 1/3 that of Mexico. What do you think makes the difference? Is less big cities? Rule of law? Socio-ecomonics?

  • CosmicShield Feb 5, 2:57 p.m.

    I think we should outlaw cars that go faster than 10 mph. Far more people have been killed by cars than privately owned guns in this country. We should also outlaw knives, axes, hammers and every other kind of tool known to have killed someone. Because, you know, if it's illegal, then no one will ever be able to get one and use it to kill again.
    Wake up folks! If someone wants to commit murder, they will find a means to do it and the "LAW" won't mean anything to them.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 5, 2:43 p.m.

    “what kind of nut thinks they need a gun to defend themselves?” - Grand Union

    If you need more, let me know...


    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2009/jul/12/shot121_20090711-230802-ar-37595


    http://now.msn.com/71-year-old-man-in-internet-cafe-shoots-robbers


    http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHJA09/?page=62


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10553140/

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/home-invasion-gun-rights/index.html?iref=allsearch

    http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-homeowner-shoots-intruders-while-children-have-sleepover

  • Tony Snark Feb 5, 2:41 p.m.

    "My S&W 5906 has 15rd magazines. They will become illegal. They are effectively “taking away” guns for which 7rd magazines don’t exist.
    Lightfoot3

    The NY law states that you can keep the mag you have and have it altered to hold 10 rounds.
    http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 5, 2:39 p.m.

    “due to the easy access to US guns murder rate is still almost twice what it is in the UK” - Grand Union


    While comparing two different countries is like comparing apples to oranges, what was the gun murder rate in the UK before the big gun ban? Given how much you harp on the comparison, I’m guessing it must have been twice as high. Right?


    “perhaps they were, perhaps not” – Grand Union


    Perhaps you should read the article. Why is it that when the article is anti-gun, you believe it word for word, yet when it shows the positive use of a gun you question it?


    “Yes guns do sometimes perhaps save lifes “ – Grand Union


    Holy Moly, the devil must be making snow angels!


    “but they cost many many more.....its simple math.” – Grand Union

    How many lives are SAVED by guns per year? If it’s simple math, surely you have those numbers too. The problem is the stats you use ONLY counts DEAD bad guys.

  • birkie74693 Feb 5, 2:36 p.m.

    Kermit60: "Hey Grand Union, every day you get on here and bash this country. If it is so bad and you think it is so wrong, there is a plane out of RDU today that will take you back to wherever it is you came from. By your flag I assume that is GB. The colonists didn't win independance from your people by being nice to them."
    ----------------------------------------------
    You mean, "Love it or leave it?" So, by your argument, the original colonists, on discovering that they didn't like the lawful English rule of the American colonies, should have packed up and left, right? They shouldn't have tried to change the country's government, they should have hopped a three-master for somewhere else?

    If not--if you're saying people have an OBLIGATION to improve the country--then you're saying Grand Union is saying exactly what he (and many others) believe is right.

  • V-Vet 72-75 Feb 5, 2:10 p.m.

    Hope Franklin County stands by thier guns. Sort of speak.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 2:02 p.m.

    "Those that believe that by taking guns and refusing to address mental health are the fools in this equation."

    Who is refusing to address mental health? Wait thats the GOP who are resisting any growth of healthcare coverage.......in any case you cannot check someones mental health like you can check their temperature nor is good mental health today any measurement of good mental health tomorrow. Add in that it may not even be the future shooter who is buying the guns what on earth do you imagine better mental health treatment can do? Most of these killers didn't commit a serious and obvious crime until they opened fire.....and by then its way too late.

  • kermit60 Feb 5, 1:54 p.m.

    Hey Grand Union, every day you get on here and bash this country. If it is so bad and you think it is so wrong, there is a plane out of RDU today that will take you back to wherever it is you came from. By your flag I assume that is GB. The colonists didn't win independance from your people by being nice to them. They won by using the firearms that they kept in their homes.

  • Red Green Feb 5, 1:22 p.m.

    “Guns are the problem and you only make yourself look foolish saying otherwise. Crazy people are a problem, crazy people with guns is a massacre.” Grand Union
    Mentally disturbed people without the resources to treat their problems are the problem. Some are disturbed enough to kill their mother for the weapons and use those in an elementary school. Some are disturbed enough to mix fertilizer and racing fuel and take out a building. Those that believe that by taking guns and refusing to address mental health are the fools in this equation.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 1:21 p.m.

    "Union- may they come for your first."

    yeah and I worry about the sky falling and the flying pigs as well......

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 1:17 p.m.

    "Grand union - We share borders with two countries, each with stricter gun control than ours. However, one has much lower firearm death rate than the other. Why the difference? Why no flow of US waepaons into Canada? Is it basically social-economic? Your thoughts."

    There is a flow of guns into Canada, but yes Canada is a huge country with few really big cities but due to the easy access to US guns murder rate is still almost twice what it is in the UK, Germany etc.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 1:10 p.m.

    "So they were BREAKING IN, with GUNS, and SHOOTING, but they weren’t going to injure anyone?"

    perhaps they were, perhaps not. No doubt about the 20 dead kids though.

    " They guy that broke through THREE doors with a crowbar to get into the attic at the mom with 2 kids was just there to say hello? The guy breaking into the Okla. teen mom’s house with the hunting knife was just there to sell insurance? The 2 armed robbers that lead people to the back of the Subway store, even after already getting all the money, just wanted to talk about Jesus with them? Your anti-gun religion has made you irrational and delusional."

    Yes guns do sometimes perhaps save lifes, but they cost many many more.....its simple math. The most likely person to be shot with your gun is you and/or your family.

    and of course where do you think those criminals get those guns? They get them because people like you make it easy for them to do so.

  • TheDude abides... Feb 5, 1:09 p.m.

    Union- may they come for your first.

  • uscnnc Feb 5, 1:09 p.m.

    handguns are a problem but at least one can make the argument that they could be needed for home defense. "Assault-style" weapons with large magazines serve no practical purpose outside of the military and are used more and more in mass shootings. Last year they were used in the two deadliest in the worst year ever for mass shootings. Large magazines and the guns that use them were used in around half of the mass shootings in the last 30 years.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

    Plenty Coups, when we use mother jones as a source, you lose all credibility. The AR15 is a ideal home defense weapon. It's a unisex weapon, low recoil, easy to handle and will give you more rounds if multiple intruders enter your home.

  • TheDude abides... Feb 5, 1:08 p.m.

    While the govt may not come to your door to take your guns, Sen. Feinstein's senate bill would have you register your semi's under the NFA. It would prohibit you from passing your guns to your relatives after your death.

    Yes, they are getting your guns...from the backdoor. Dont tell me they are not.

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 1:03 p.m.

    "I think for some of us this honestly has little to do with “20 very very very dead kids” and everything to do with an unnatural fear of most everything in life."

    indeed, what kind of nut thinks they need a gun to defend themselves?

    " Until mental health becomes the main issues these types of tragedies will continue so until you start talking about that, the blame is on your shoulders not ours."

    Most mentally ill never hurt anyone....and who gets to decided who is mentally ill enough not to be allowed a gun? And if the first time anyone thinks a person is too nuts to have a gun is after they open fire how does that help us?

    Guns are the problem and you only make yourself look foolish saying otherwise. Crazy people are a problem, crazy people with guns is a massacre.

  • RTPMedic Feb 5, 12:18 p.m.

    "My advice to my fellow citizens is simply chill. Everything will be alright. The government is not coming to take your guns."

    Yes, they are. Read your news..open your eyes.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 5, 11:57 a.m.

    “What are they taking away?” - Tony Snark


    My S&W 5906 has 15rd magazines. They will become illegal. After April, only 7rd magazines can be sold. I’m not aware of any 7rd magazines for this gun, so it becomes a paperweight. They are effectively “taking away” guns for which 7rd magazines don’t exist.

  • Red Green Feb 5, 11:52 a.m.

    ‘"so on one side the gun nuts have story about kids that might perhaps maybe have been injured, versus 20 very very very dead kids. Yeah thats convincing - NOT"” Grand Union

    I think for some of us this honestly has little to do with “20 very very very dead kids” and everything to do with an unnatural fear of most everything in life. Until mental health becomes the main issues these types of tragedies will continue so until you start talking about that, the blame is on your shoulders not ours.

  • Barfly Feb 5, 11:43 a.m.

    8 out of the last 9 mass shootings were committed by mentally ill people.

    There's your problem. Fix it.

  • ligonmaterial23 Feb 5, 11:43 a.m.

    Im glad I live out here , but I did loose all my guns in a tragic boating accident .

  • Heights Feb 5, 11:27 a.m.

    Grand union - We share borders with two countries, each with stricter gun control than ours. However, one has much lower firearm death rate than the other. Why the difference? Why no flow of US waepaons into Canada? Is it basically social-economic? Your thoughts.

  • Lightfoot3 Feb 5, 11:21 a.m.

    “so on one side the gun nuts have story about kids that might perhaps maybe have been injured, versus 20 very very very dead kids. Yeah thats convincing – NOT” - Grand Union


    So they were BREAKING IN, with GUNS, and SHOOTING, but they weren’t going to injure anyone? They guy that broke through THREE doors with a crowbar to get into the attic at the mom with 2 kids was just there to say hello? The guy breaking into the Okla. teen mom’s house with the hunting knife was just there to sell insurance? The 2 armed robbers that lead people to the back of the Subway store, even after already getting all the money, just wanted to talk about Jesus with them? Your anti-gun religion has made you irrational and delusional.

  • Tony Snark Feb 5, 11:12 a.m.

    "He didn’t. New York state on the other hand...
    Lightfoot3"

    What are they taking away? Here is a quote from their website:
    ": I have an assault weapon. Do I have to give it up?

    A: No. If you have an assault weapon, you can register it with the State Police. You have until April 15, 2014 to register your weapon. A form will be made available on this website no later than April 15, 2013. Under state and federal law, some people are not allowed to possess a weapon, such as convicted felons, individuals who have been involuntarily committed, or individuals currently under an order of protection. These people will not be able to register. There is no fee for registering."

  • Grand Union Feb 5, 10:53 a.m.

    "Remember it's all about the children. Well guess what, this guy shot 3 armed intruders that broke into his home while several children were in his home attending a sleepover. That GUN he had, protected all of those children. Guess someone will need a new excuse to push their agenda."

    so on one side the gun nuts have story about kids that might perhaps maybe have been injured, versus 20 very very very dead kids. Yeah thats convincing - NOT

  • Minarchist Feb 5, 10:20 a.m.

    This makes me want to move to Franklin county. Im so glad that there are still counties with commisoners who have the fortitude to stand up to the libs and democrats of the world.Im willing to bet that Franklin Counties revunue goes up from people flocking there to live and spend money. scott34 February 5, 2013 9:29 a.m

    Is this satire?
    BullsEye
    February 5, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    He has obviously never lived in Franklin Co. PLus he voted for a gun banner in November. The fake outrage is hilarious.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 5, 10:17 a.m.

    "Yet handguns are responsible for FAR more homicides than ANY style rifle, so why target "assault-style" weapons and not handguns?"

    handguns are a problem but at least one can make the argument that they could be needed for home defense. "Assault-style" weapons with large magazines serve no practical purpose outside of the military and are used more and more in mass shootings. Last year they were used in the two deadliest in the worst year ever for mass shootings. Large magazines and the guns that use them were used in around half of the mass shootings in the last 30 years.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

  • Plenty Coups Feb 5, 10:13 a.m.

    "Plenty Coups.... under the 2nd amendment you can own a M-1 tank. Honest...you have the money and you can buy one, and I don't care....it's your right."

    Only you can't. Not unless they've been deactivated or are considered antiques.

  • kornfan2448 Feb 5, 10:08 a.m.

    My problem is, they say they're doing it for safety reasons and to protect innocent people. Yet handguns are responsible for FAR more homicides than ANY style rifle, so why target "assault-style" weapons and not handguns? I think a lot of people are worried that this is just a stepping stone to ban the next "dangerous" weapon.

  • Firegal Feb 5, 9:52 a.m.

    And to make things better understood, an ASSAULT rifle would have been the perfect tool in the situation mentioned above with the man that shot the 3 intruders at a sleepover for children. When you are faced with 3 intruders with, 3 guns, then 1 ASSAULT rifle is the perfect equalizer.

  • exador7 Feb 5, 9:48 a.m.

    Okay,,, So Muslim Americans don't get to exercise 2nd Amendment Rights... So there.

  • BullsEye Feb 5, 9:47 a.m.

    This makes me want to move to Franklin county. Im so glad that there are still counties with commisoners who have the fortitude to stand up to the libs and democrats of the world.Im willing to bet that Franklin Counties revunue goes up from people flocking there to live and spend money.
    scott34
    February 5, 2013 9:29 a.m

    Is this satire?

  • Firegal Feb 5, 9:47 a.m.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-homeowner-shoots-intruders-while-children-have-sleepover

    Remember it's all about the children. Well guess what, this guy shot 3 armed intruders that broke into his home while several children were in his home attending a sleepover. That GUN he had, protected all of those children. Guess someone will need a new excuse to push their agenda.

  • exador7 Feb 5, 9:46 a.m.

    You tell'em Harry...

  • Red Green Feb 5, 9:45 a.m.

    “Yes. Possibly limiting gun ownership is far worse than a massacre of first graders. Oh my god what is wron with this man?” Nope

    Hmmmm, I don’t recall any “legal gun owner” being involved in the Sandy Hook Massacre so why is it that we should lose our rights to own? Direct your outrage at those that refuse to tackle mental health in the U.S. and you’ll be taking a step in the right direction.

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