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  • 68_dodge_polara Feb 5, 2013

    "68 whatever - good one! I get it - you said "unaffordable", rather than "affordable"! But, oh, you're wrong. It's great that you can find humor in the balance of children getting medical care or not though"

    Again, children already had coverage. Can't you read? It's in the article.

  • rroadrunner99 Feb 5, 2013

    Wait until they lose the federal funding, then all of a sudden it becomes a federal requirement to get other federal fund's , then they will be looking to blame somebody else for their big blunder.

  • Terkel Feb 5, 2013

    "The uninsured is not our responsibility. mgnobles

    ummm...so you expect doctors, nurses pharmacists et al. to work for free?" sixnite

    This brings up a good point. No one is forcing anyone to enter the medical field. Be aware that with the advent of 0bamacare you may or may not be paid. I'm sure that will only add to the attraction of a medical career. Maybe we can outsource that too.

  • aetius476 Feb 5, 2013

    "because if they had expanded it 100% of the cost would come from the federal government, and even after 5 years 90% of it would." - junkmail5

    You know full well that this funding stream could change at any time. When future administrations are groaning under the increased debt load, and the full costs of Obamacare, the amount funded by the Feds could change drastically.

    This is my opposition, if we accept the "pot of gold" now, what happens 5-6-7 years from now when the 90% becomes 50% or less? NC is left with an entrenched, massively expanded, free healthcare program to fund on the back of the taxpayer.

    Similar to the stimulus expansion of hiring teachers, great deal for a few years, but then it becomes our burden locally after the federal money dries up.

    And it WILL dry up....

  • bill0 Feb 5, 2013

    "bobbatchelor::::I thought the Affordable Care Act was going to take care of everybody without increased cost to anybody. WHAT HAPPENED?"

    This ignorant nonsense gets posted a ton. Nobody said that. The whole point of an individual mandate is for currently uninsured people to pay for their insurance. There are subsidies for lower income earners, but those will be replacing the subsidies we currently pay directly to hospitals for "uninsured care."

    Frankly, it is was a good idea when republicans proposed it and it is a good idea now that democrats support it.

  • junkmail5 Feb 5, 2013

    By refusing to expand Medicaid by 35%, and making the middle class taxpayer pay for it? How is this "hating" the middle class? - aetius476

    because if they had expanded it 100% of the cost would come from the federal government, and even after 5 years 90% of it would.

    Versus now, where the NC taxpayers get to pay the same taxes to subsidize the Obamacare elements the poor in NC won't get, but also get to pick up 100% of the cost of the uninsured running to the ER and not paying the bill everytime they get a cold because they still don't have insurance under medicaid like they otherwise could have.

    How many middle class folks are on Medicaid? Why should the working people of the state be burdened with providing more free handouts.- aetius476

    Careful now... there's quite a lot of "working people" who would qualify for medicaid under the new law if NC allowed it.

  • ABCNEWS Feb 5, 2013

    Have a HEART folks HAVE A HEART...

  • aetius476 Feb 5, 2013

    "The GOP HATES having a middle class. They only want an Upper Class and all others to be at the bottom. This is nothing new. They are showing it more now that they have complete control." - European American

    By refusing to expand Medicaid by 35%, and making the middle class taxpayer pay for it? How is this "hating" the middle class?

    How many middle class folks are on Medicaid? Why should the working people of the state be burdened with providing more free handouts.

    And, we WILL be burdened when, inevitably, the Feds run out of borrowed money to carry their 90% of this fraud ridden scam.

  • issymayake Feb 5, 2013

    Why you are voting against expanding Medicaid in North Carolina please include a bill the prohibits hospitals from adding the care of the uninsuraed to the bills of the insured causing us to have to pay more not only for medical treatment but for insurance. It is not fair that hospitals are allowed to add $1000's to the bills of the insured to recoup their losses for caring for the uninsured. The uninsured is not our responsibility.
    mgnobles

    I could roll with this bill. But we all know that the health care provider lobby would kill it.

  • thinlady1 Feb 5, 2013

    correct me if i'm wrong but didn't our medicaid taxes just go up and what part of that will go to other states if the GOP fights this expansion...why is it when problems within this state are addressed and the big fix is on the way it always seem to be on the backs of the poor and middle class....enough!!!!! please go to the polls and vote these people out of office they don't began to care about anybody but themselves.......

  • driverkid3 Feb 5, 2013

    bobbatchelor::::I thought the Affordable Care Act was going to take care of everybody without increased cost to anybody. WHAT HAPPENED?

    Look at who told you this, and you will have your answer.

  • hardycitrus Feb 5, 2013

    Even though the GOP lost by a wide margin, gerrymandering has given them a supermajority to push their radical agenda.

    Where is the Gadsen flag crowd waving their guns and demanding an end to this "tyranny?" Where you at now, guys?

  • European American Feb 5, 2013

    The GOP HATES having a middle class. They only want an Upper Class and all others to be at the bottom. This is nothing new. They are showing it more now that they have complete control.

  • thayerguy Feb 5, 2013

    "NC GOP reminding us daily why they were out of power for 100 years.

    You are absolutely right. Well hopefully what they're doing now will insure that they will go out for another 100 years in about 2!

  • sixnitepkg Feb 5, 2013

    Why you are voting against expanding Medicaid in North Carolina please include a bill the prohibits hospitals from adding the care of the uninsuraed to the bills of the insured causing us to have to pay more not only for medical treatment but for insurance. It is not fair that hospitals are allowed to add $1000's to the bills of the insured to recoup their losses for caring for the uninsured. The uninsured is not our responsibility.
    mgnobles

    ummm...so you expect doctors, nurses pharmacists et al. to work for free? or would you prefer that there be no hospitals for anyone? you want that health care system? move to the 3rd world... oh, I get it... if your employer doesn't offer coverage and your appendix ruptures then you just have to suffer and die from peritonitis... too bad, so sad, tough luck, huh? (how VERY un-christian)

  • issymayake Feb 5, 2013

    Several states are considering expanding their Medicaid programs. The American Academy of Actuaries estimates that premiums will be at least 2 percent higher in states that don’t.

    Welp, you'll pay a higher premium, while paying taxes to support other Republican led states with smarter leadership, like Arizona..lol

  • free2bme Feb 5, 2013

    The NC Legislature does not care about the citizens of NC. They only care about themselves and their rich friends. With less people having access to healthcare, it just causes more burden on tax payers. It is actually going to cost more for the state in the long run. 2014 can not come soon enough to vote these people out. We need these people out of office to move this state forward. They are setting this state back so much.

  • junkmail5 Feb 5, 2013

    It is not fair that hospitals are allowed to add $1000's to the bills of the insured to recoup their losses for caring for the uninsured. The uninsured is not our responsibility.
    mgnoble

    The alternative is that when someone comes in bleeding to death, or having a heart attack or stroke, without insurance, they just let him die.

    Is that what you support doing?

  • NeverSurrender Feb 5, 2013

    "Why you are voting against expanding Medicaid in North Carolina please include a bill the prohibits hospitals from adding the care of the uninsuraed to the bills of the insured causing us to have to pay more not only for medical treatment but for insurance. It is not fair that hospitals are allowed to add $1000's to the bills of the insured to recoup their losses for caring for the uninsured. The uninsured is not our responsibility."

    Don't forget the huge tax write-offs for "uncompensated care" that shields the very profitable heart/cancer/women's centres from tax as well as the outright fraud of claiming the difference between the billed amount and the amount they agreed to accept from insurance as a "loss".

    Supposedly the hospitals are going to the wall due to unreimbursed care but then you look at all of them building as many buildings as they possibly can and paying their administrators million$ whilst screwing the taxpayers and often their own employees as well.

  • sixnitepkg Feb 5, 2013

    let's see, 1)raise taxes on the middle and lower income WORKERS, 2)make affordable medical coverage impossible for the WORKING classes to obtain, 3)raise taxes and homeowners insurance rates to the point where anyone making less than $100+k/yr can't afford to buy or continue to own their own home/land, 4)destroy the labor laws and worker's protections,5)gut the education system to the point that only the rich can get a good education and/or afford college...
    folks, let me tell ya' there IS class warfare in the U.S.,and it's the filthy rich waging it, AGAINST the middle/lower income WORKERS, and they're winning!
    the GOP is attacking the foundations of freedom and the paths to self improvement... education, land ownership, health, they give not one whit whether you live or die as long as they get richer on your hard work

  • Gork Feb 5, 2013

    68 whatever - good one! I get it - you said "unaffordable", rather than "affordable"! But, oh, you're wrong. It's great that you can find humor in the balance of children getting medical care or not though -

  • mgnobles Feb 5, 2013

    Why you are voting against expanding Medicaid in North Carolina please include a bill the prohibits hospitals from adding the care of the uninsuraed to the bills of the insured causing us to have to pay more not only for medical treatment but for insurance. It is not fair that hospitals are allowed to add $1000's to the bills of the insured to recoup their losses for caring for the uninsured. The uninsured is not our responsibility.

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    I was being sarcastic 68_dodge_polara. I knew that.

  • xylem01 Feb 5, 2013

    @accsinking - Just exactly where in the Bible does it say if someone will not work don't feed them?

    @thomasew - What if someone has no family to take care of them? Must feel nice living in your crystal palace. I sure hope it doesn't break on you.

  • 68_dodge_polara Feb 5, 2013

    How about the children. I guess they should work too?

    They are already covered without the unaffordable care act.

  • weakened back Feb 5, 2013

    dream777-kids should work. they should have to do chores around the house when they're young kids and once they're legal age to work for wages, should get a part time job. it teaches them responsibility, something that will be with them for the rest of their life. a kid should not be brought up in a house where parents get a check because they are lazy and will not work.

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    McCrory is getting cold feet. He doesn't want the GOP to screw up NC so bad that he does not get re-elected. Good Luck Pat.

    He may be the Death Panel signer!
    When poor people start to drop off of the face of this earth, that should be enough to get him re-elected. Don't you think?

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    How about the children. I guess they should work too?

  • wral mods blow close my account Feb 5, 2013

    McCrory is getting cold feet. He doesn't want the GOP to screw up NC so bad that he does not get re-elected. Good Luck Pat.

    http://www.wral.com/nc-lawmakers-want-mccrory-to-give-address-feb-18/12064949/

    http://www.wral.com/asset/news/state/nccapitol/2013/02/04/12065096/S.4_letter_1_.pdf

  • sixnitepkg Feb 5, 2013

    Once Obama is a distant bad memory, and the nation is left to cope with the hangover, the binge pary largesse will be curtailed.

    Then, the states will be left holding the enormous, stinking bags that they so gleefully accepted, thinking they contained "free" federal money!
    aetius476

    Funny, what about paying for the REAGAN - BUSH largesse? THAT is the bulk of our national debt!

    Actually, they are reminding us daily, how much of a mess there is to clean up after a century of the inmates running the asylum...

    actually it's only taken the GOP 20 of the past 32 years to completely and totally wreck the economy... sorry, but you got it completely backwards, and Oh, how's that stock market doing? Yeah, nevermind that it's the GOP who wrecks the economy for their personal gain and leaves others to try and fix their mess

  • Gork Feb 5, 2013

    Just like Mississippi.

  • weakened back Feb 5, 2013

    The Bible says help the poor before helping yourself with any money. Trust our Bible Nancy.
    dream777
    February 5, 2013 10:27 a.m.
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    it also says if a person will not work, don't feed them.

  • Icaretoo Feb 5, 2013

    Be prepared for Republican control in NC. They will now be TOTALLY responsible for everything that happens for the next few years. It will be interesting to see, in years to come, who they will blame for their mistakes. My one question here is ... You are addressing the financial concerns but what about the humanity concerns? Who is going to tell the mother of 2 working as much as she can at minimum wage that you can't get medical help for your children and feed them too? Of course there are abuses of the system but let's address those abuses ... Don't throw out the bath water with the baby!!

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    I am out of here! There are the most stupid, cold people in this post I have ever encountered in my life. Not very many Bible believers in here either.

  • OleNCNative Feb 5, 2013

    Here's a quick litmus test to see what the GOP is against: Is Obama for it?

    These people are not governing with their heads. Only 2 more years, guys.

  • thomasew Feb 5, 2013

    Should never have created entitlements like Medicaid to begin with. When did it ever become the governments responsibility to take over caring for sick? This ought to be done by the families of those who need the care.

  • aetius476 Feb 5, 2013

    Once Obama is a distant bad memory, and the nation is left to cope with the hangover, the binge pary largesse will be curtailed.

    Then, the states will be left holding the enormous, stinking bags that they so gleefully accepted, thinking they contained "free" federal money!

  • aetius476 Feb 5, 2013

    "NC GOP reminding us daily why they were out of power for 100 years." - cvdurham

    Actually, they are reminding us daily, how much of a mess there is to clean up after a century of the inmates running the asylum...

  • 68_dodge_polara Feb 5, 2013

    Reading the comments those that want this offer no way to pay for it. Same ol same ol...

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    The Bible says help the poor before helping yourself with any money. Trust our Bible Nancy.

  • lrfarms27572 Feb 5, 2013

    North Carolina . . . backwards as usual.

    sophiemom

    there are 49 other states that you may relocate to without prosecution.

    may i suggest California....

  • BigSteamnTurd Feb 5, 2013

    unsustainable??

    There's a better way to describe it.

    I, through my ever increasing taxes, am not willing to sustain it, how about that.

  • wral mods blow close my account Feb 5, 2013

    NC GOP reminding us daily why they were out of power for 100 years.

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    Try being poor then and see which side you go on Nancy.

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 5, 2013

    It's not going to happen, mainly because those voting really aren't qualified to do so.

  • mewuvbb Feb 5, 2013

    Shoot it may help us who pay insurance

  • Nancy Feb 5, 2013

    People need to read the planned medicaid benefits cost obligations several years out to understand it's nothing but a transfer back to state obligations years out.

    We can't afford that. Neither can the feds but that doesn't stop them from expanding programs under Obamacare to try to make that pig fly.

  • dream777 Feb 5, 2013

    The Republican members of this state are starting a death panel. It will be all of the Republican states that don't except the Medicaid expansion that will be the real death panel against the poorest people in their state. Five Republican states have already come to their senses so far and the rest need to follow as an example.

  • Nancy Feb 5, 2013

    It's just a shell game with the feds, the future financial obligation falls into state hands and with state budgets strapped, they will regret jumping on the federal 'handout' (borrowed monies by the feds) bandwagon.

  • sophiemom Feb 5, 2013

    North Carolina . . . backwards as usual.

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