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  • sunfundreamer Jan 31, 2013

    I commented this morning in agreement with the sun issue. I drive the road that runs pararel to it & the sun was extremely blinding this morning. I heard the sirens as I was getting in my vehicle, so I know it was close to the same when the accident happened. After reading the back & forth all day & finding out more about the accident, I could give a rat's yea about the sun or a distraction. I'm just glad it wasn't any worse! I have a teenager & I live in fear of getting a call about an accident! Poor little 7-yr old River wasn't hurt too bad, and he was mostly scared too death over the accident & seeing his big brother hurt & hauled away in a helicopter. Fischer's femur bone is completely broken & one can only imagine the pain he must have been in. He had to be cut free. He is a senior this year & has a long road ahead of him. Prayers & healing for everyone!

  • don23 Jan 31, 2013

    Please don't judge the mind of a 17 year old kid. We were all 17. I'm thankful they didn't have cell phones when I was 17. We all make mistakes. The good news...no fatalities. Prayers to all the families.

  • uncfan89 Jan 31, 2013

    LIke Elem-Teach said the picture was take sometime after the accident not right when the accident happened the sun may not have been a factor by the time the picture was taken. I made a comment to my daughter this morning how bright the sun was this morning. On our drive to school/work some mornings depending on the time we leave the sun can be a problem, even with sunglasses and the visor down. Let the Highway Patrol do their job and comment after the investigation is complete! Just becasue the driver is 17 dosen't mean that he was texting or doing something he shouldn't have been. Prayers for all involved! The most important thing is that everyone recovers quickly.

  • Obamacare rises Jan 31, 2013

    School buses should be bright pink with glowing neon adverstisements all over them. Everyone wins.

  • Cold Hard Truth Jan 31, 2013

    I heard there is a bad hill there that you can't see over and he didn't see the bus at all. But anyway people were injured and people shouldn't be arguing about the sun or anything else. Just hope all the people recover fully.

  • Skywatch_NC Jan 31, 2013

    Do school buses have seatbelts?

    Guess I wasn't able to answer your question earlier.

  • K9Tucker.LoveMYcop Jan 31, 2013

    Wow, some of you are really judgmental. Praying for all involved.

  • Skywatch_NC Jan 31, 2013

    Do school buses have seatbelts?

    Most do not, unfortunately.

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 2013

    "Please, you're speculating from an arial picture taken from a helicopter.

    I know for a fact.........I dropped my child off at 7:38 AM this morning."

    Like I said, Neither of us is going to convince the other they are right or wrong. Yes, shadows and the sun work a certain way. I drive a road in the AM that gets a blast of sun right down the middle of it as it rises. As the sun continues to rise the road stays in the sun. What you are saying is contrary to how the sun and shadows operate. If the sun was in your eyes at 7:38, then at 8:30 the road should still be in the sun. A view from above does not change how light is transmitted.

  • mac240 Jan 31, 2013

    Maybe if they paint the buses bright orange and put flashing lights on them they will be easier to see!

  • greg11 Jan 31, 2013

    I drive this way every morning. I came thru there 3 or 4 minutes before this happened. Where this wreck happened i don't think the sun was a factor. It is at the bottom of a hill and it is shady there in the morning. If you go another 100 yards or so the sun glare is extremely bad. Only the boy driving really knows what happened. I am praying that the two boys are going to be ok.

  • Elem-Teach Jan 31, 2013

    Looks pretty much shaded in that there area to me !! nckidd29

    Let me give you a science lesson. The earth rotates, I imagine the sun had moved and made it shady before the pics were took. It did take a few minutes for the chopper to get there. It's not like the pics were taken at the same time as the accident.

  • fishon Jan 31, 2013

    Do school buses have seatbelts?

  • simplelogic Jan 31, 2013

    I strongly encourage everyone on this thread to observe the position of the sun at different times of the day, and also different times of the year. The angle of ascension/descension is dependent on latitude, and the farther north you go, the closer to the horizon the path is. The closer to the winter solstice, the farther south the position at sunup/sundown, which is why days are shorter then. Educate yourselves.

  • chrisnrali Jan 31, 2013

    Why oh why is an auto accident news when there wasn't a fatality?
    Just because there were children in the vehicle? Slow news day?

  • simplelogic Jan 31, 2013

    LOL at those who say that because there are shadows in the picture, the sun must not have been shining there earlier. Did you know that the sun actually moves in the sky? Not just up and down, but at a rather pronounced slant to the right as it rises? So if it's lined up with the road at sunup, it will be shining way over the trees lining the right side of the road later on.

  • wjellis6 Jan 31, 2013

    wjellis6 No he is not speculating !! He is saying the same thing I did ..It is a FACT ! I don't care if you took the picture from the moon,The shadow is not going to change place's,,That road may have bad (sun blind) place's, But not every single inch of it !!!!! ncKidd

    You're exactly right..........however what you don't see is the areas just a few feet behind the vehicle that are not shaded. It's a tough area to drive through at that time of day.

    Like I said, maybe he was distracted, maybe he wasn't.

    It's not worth arguing over. I know the entire area, I drive it everyday. You're forming an opinion from a small snapshot.

  • wjellis6 Jan 31, 2013

    There's no need for a rebuttal. If you say the sun is in your eyes there I'm not going to change your mind, and due to the relatively fixed movement of the sun I'm not going to belive you. Just saying what to me seems obvious. Going to have to agree to disagree here. GravyPig

    Believe what you want. I'm just offering first hand knowledge of the area. Maybe if you travel through it one morning you'll understand what several posts on here have described.

    Maybe he was distracted, maybe his vision was impaired by the sun, either way it's sad and hpopefully all will recover.

  • Nunya123 Jan 31, 2013

    seankelly15 - because Morrigan probably came from the sticks and everyone in the school was somehow related. Brother/father, Sister/mother type stuff.

  • nckidd29 Jan 31, 2013

    I highly doubt that sun was a factor. If you look at the picture in the story, the shadows cover across the road. If the sun were in their eyes then the shadows would be going with the road and not across the road. GravyPig

    Please, you're speculating from an arial picture taken from a helicopter.

    I know for a fact.........I dropped my child off at 7:38 AM this morning.

    wjellis6

    No he is not speculating !! He is saying the same thing I did ..It is a FACT ! I don't care if you took the picture from the moon,The shadow is not going to change place's,,That road may have bad (sun blind) place's, But not every single inch of it !!!!!

  • Obamacare rises Jan 31, 2013

    Counselors are a good thing. I wasn't even at the wreck site and I'm shaken up by it.

    I hope you have horrible nightmares tonight Morrigan.

  • seankelly15 Jan 31, 2013

    Morrigan - "In 8th grade, a girl was killed in a wreck and we didn't have "counselors". The teacher made an announcement, we talked to our parents that night (imagine - we actually had two of them and they never whined for "me time"), and life went on."

    You are a (word redacted by WRAL). How do you know that EVERY child at your school had parents who were willing and able to talk to them?

  • Terkel Jan 31, 2013

    I'm sorry, but 3 kids were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, and all the "counselors" in the county were sent to the school? In 8th grade, a girl was killed in a wreck and we didn't have "counselors". The teacher made an announcement, we talked to our parents that night (imagine - we actually had two of them and they never whined for "me time"), and life went on. Is it any wonder kids can't think or do?

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 2013

    To those who drive this road everyday and say the sun is in your eyes.... If you say so, I don't believe it based on the way that the sun is in the picture. If the sun were lower than it was when pictured then it would not be in your eyes as it would still be below the trees. If the sun were in your eyes earlier in the AM, then the roadway should be bathed in sunlight and not in the shadows of trees.

    There's no need for a rebuttal. If you say the sun is in your eyes there I'm not going to change your mind, and due to the relatively fixed movement of the sun I'm not going to belive you. Just saying what to me seems obvious. Going to have to agree to disagree here.

  • wjellis6 Jan 31, 2013

    I highly doubt that sun was a factor. If you look at the picture in the story, the shadows cover across the road. If the sun were in their eyes then the shadows would be going with the road and not across the road. GravyPig

    Please, you're speculating from an arial picture taken from a helicopter.

    I know for a fact.........I dropped my child off at 7:38 AM this morning.

  • wjellis6 Jan 31, 2013

    Looks pretty much shaded in that there area to me !! nckidd29

    So you know that from the picture? Those who drive this road know for a fact how glaring the sun is at that time of the morning. I wear sunglasses, good ones, and use the visor and it's still hard to see.
    It's an accident waiting to happen every morning due to heavy traffic from two schools right next to each other.

  • NC_Beach_n_Mtn_guy Jan 31, 2013

    I agree with other drivers, the sun is almost directly in your eyes most of the way on 42, you have to squint to see the line directly below the hood. Together with trying to be on time at school and work it is treacherous driving. Then add school bus traffic. I feel sorry for all involved. It is taxing on your mind each and every morning at the right (wrong) time of the year!

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 2013

    "I'm not saying that was the case w/this one but there could be many ways the bus was not seen."

    Aside from the sun or driver distraction, how else would one not see a large yellow bus?

    I highly doubt that sun was a factor. If you look at the picture in the story, the shadows cover across the road. If the sun were in their eyes then the shadows would be going with the road and not across the road.

  • zenonx6 Jan 31, 2013

    Distracted driver,,, do you call it that when some ones just doing other stuff... That's deliberate really.

  • Fireflies Rock Jan 31, 2013

    Injuries sound severe for those in the pickup truck; sending good thoughts their way. If sun glare is severe, perhaps they should consider shifting the stop a bit. Obviously this boy didn't hit the bus on purpose. It must have been like others indicate a sun glare problem, or he was otherwise distracted.

  • Luvthesky Jan 31, 2013

    @juliemom2....thanks for the comment to Kidd29! Those of us who actually travel this road in the mornings know what the situation "might" have been. Shady, Sunny or whatever there are two boys in critical condition and they need prayers.

  • msncdso Jan 31, 2013

    Would you please wait until the accident if fully investigated? When you are driving with the sun directly in your face, you can't see vehicles or anything else in a shaded area ahead of you even with good sunglasses.

  • juliemom2 Jan 31, 2013

    I drive this road in the mornings and I can tell you the glare from the sun is horrible. There have been mornings when I had to actually come to a dead stop to make sure that there was nothing in front of me. I would not be surprised if this is not the case in this wreck. Prayers going up for all involved!

    Luvthesky

    Looks pretty much shaded in that there area to me !!

    ---- At the time of the accident the sun was at the horizon right at the road. Trust me, it is very hard to see going down this road this time of year. I have to do it every day.

  • Bartmeister Jan 31, 2013

    The truck took a big hit from the pictures. Real shame.

  • nckidd29 Jan 31, 2013

    I drive this road in the mornings and I can tell you the glare from the sun is horrible. There have been mornings when I had to actually come to a dead stop to make sure that there was nothing in front of me. I would not be surprised if this is not the case in this wreck. Prayers going up for all involved!

    Luvthesky

    Looks pretty much shaded in that there area to me !!

  • juliemom2 Jan 31, 2013

    I go that way every morning. The bus stops at the house the accident was at. The sun was very bright this morning. It was hard to see today. Praying all are ok.

  • LibertarianTechie Jan 31, 2013

    update to my comments to story: Inexperience and sunglasses.

  • simplelogic Jan 31, 2013

    The sun was literally blinding this morning. That time of day, it's right at eye level. Not surprising that he didn't see the bus until it was too late, but he shouldn't have been driving so fast that he couldn't stop in time. I really hope everyone involved will be okay.

  • computer trainer Jan 31, 2013

    Bartmeister - It was a MALE student, so I suspect Makeup was not the issue.

  • Scubagirl Jan 31, 2013

    SUNGLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sunfundreamer Jan 31, 2013

    I agree, Luvthesky. I travel up Carbonton Road and the sun is blinding in spots and was especially so this morning! I heard the sirens as I was leaving home and the helicopter right after I got to work. Hope all will be ok, but not sounding good.

  • Go Lee County Jan 31, 2013

    some people are just so stupid and jump to all kinds of conclusions..

    Praying for all involved....

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 2013

    "Talking on a cell phone, texting, reading the newspaper, putting on makeup.......... I see it everyday."

    Watched a guy the other day driving his S550 Mercedes during rush hour traffic while he read documents held in one hand with the steering wheel and a voice recorder in the other actively working while he drove.

  • carolinagal78 Jan 31, 2013

    libertariantechie~ In high school one of my classmates ran her camaro under a school bus. It was early one morning and she was on her way to school. The sun was shining in her eyes and she didnt see the bus until it was to late. Fortunately she lived but not everyone did. I'm not saying that was the case w/this one but there could be many ways the bus was not seen. I hope everyone is ok.

  • Luvthesky Jan 31, 2013

    I drive this road in the mornings and I can tell you the glare from the sun is horrible. There have been mornings when I had to actually come to a dead stop to make sure that there was nothing in front of me. I would not be surprised if this is not the case in this wreck. Prayers going up for all involved!

  • LibertarianTechie Jan 31, 2013

    @Bartmeister, all things that should not be happening. I agree with @Scubagirl, but will add that neither he nor his doctor knew about it. I do believe doctors have a duty to report those to the DMV that should not be allowed to drive anymore because of a medical condition.

  • NiceNSmooth Jan 31, 2013

    How about an update on the home invasion from yesterday. I wanna see home invaders behind bars.

    true... last I heard one was still on the run

  • zenonx6 Jan 31, 2013

    Hope the kids are okay...

  • zenonx6 Jan 31, 2013

    How about an update on the home invasion from yesterday. I wanna see home invaders behind bars.

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