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Uhavenoclu Jan 31, 10:01 a.m.
The things she is saying that they accused her and others opf it,goes on all the time..happens in every court room,they put the blame on the victim..I.E..You invited it to happen,did you know the person,why did you get so close,blah blah blah...
You are brave for coming forward and making a say and hopefully the UNC Police can do something aboput it for they would do more for you then Thorpe,remember what is is and was going though?.
working for deadbeats Jan 31, 9:56 a.m.
Now libs want criminals to be dealt with correctly? Oh, it hit too close to home I bet.
readme Jan 31, 9:46 a.m.
It seems to me we need to see more specifics. I have a hard time believing UNC administrators or student leaders would be that apathetic about something like this. Not saying it wouldn't happen though.
NC Reader Jan 31, 9:21 a.m.
This is not limited to UNC, nor is it unusual. In the past few years, at several campuses throughout the country, women (and men) are accusing their schools of not taking rape and other sexual assaults seriously. Yale, Amherst, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Indiana, the University of Montana, Texas A&M, the University of Wisconsin, Reed, Dominican College -- all have been accused of covering up or not taking sexual assaults seriously. I personally know of students at private and other public NC universities who are upset at how their universities handle reported sexual assaults.
Thankfully, a few brave students at UNC are speaking out. It is just a matter of time before students at other schools in NC do the same. As for it being "kinda funny," as one poster said: Rape is NEVER funny; allegations of rape are NEVER funny. It doesn't matter whether it's at UNC or at one of our military academies.
winemaker81 Jan 31, 8:50 a.m.
"Instead of focusing on what women can do to avoid being raped, why don't you focus on what we can do to prevent men from being rapists? Why blame the victim, when it makes so much more sense to hold the perpetrator responsible? Isn't that actually common sense?" --27228
Common sense??? You advocate finding every potential rapist and fixing the problem before it starts? If you can do that you can wipe crime out completely from the human race!
We can't find every potential rapist before they commit a crime, but we can train every woman who is willing to learn how to NOT be a victim, to avoid situations that put them at risk. No solution eliminates the danger but active avoidance of bad situations will reduce it.
It *is* personal responsibility -- each and every person is responsible for avoiding the dangers they can. THIS is common sense.
foghat001 Jan 31, 8:36 a.m.
They'd be better directed to the law enforcement agencies.
Constitutional-Defender Jan 30, 7:32 p.m.
Does anybody really believe UNC is "protecting rapists" Seriously?
It is kinda funny to see a predominantly liberal school get harassed by their own. Wasting time and money and resources all in the name of "whats right" LOL
DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jan 30, 7:27 p.m.
4Strikes - "And here all along, I was under the impression that UNC-CH was against rapists."
If it's not doing the right things to ensure that rapes are investigated and rapists are punished for their crimes, UNC-CH is creating a rather favorable environment for rapists. Don't you think?
Or don't you think??
DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jan 30, 7:24 p.m.
"I love all the common sense and advocating that people take equal responsibility for themselves."
Lord, help you!!!
That's like saying those working in a bank who get robbed by a bank robber are at fault for getting robbed which is idiocy!!!
DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jan 30, 7:23 p.m.
"Thorp said last week that the school is considering hiring Gina Smith, a nationally recognized sexual misconduct expert who helps universities appropriately respond to sexual assault issues."
It shouldn't have to go that far.
If school administrators don't know in their hearts and heads what is the right thing to do, and then do it, they need to step down and hire administrators who DO.
27228 Jan 30, 7:19 p.m.
"I love all the common sense..."
"No law can protect you from a lack of common sense and personal responsibility."
Instead of focusing on what women can do to avoid being raped, why don't you focus on what we can do to prevent men from being rapists? Why blame the victim, when it makes so much more sense to hold the perpetrator responsible? Isn't that actually common sense?
4Strikes Jan 30, 6:36 p.m.
tar97heal - I love all the common sense and advocating that people take equal responsibility for themselves. Prepare to be attacked by rabid feminists though..lol
cavycrazy Jan 30, 6:20 p.m.
People keep asking why they didn't go to the city police. Students and their families are told to report crime to the campus police. This is why: The UNC at Chapel Hill police officers are qualified sworn officers. They are commissioned and hold the same responsibility and authority as city police officers or sheriff's deputies. The police officers protect campus 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. . University Police are governed by N.C. General Statute 116-40.5 that gives University Police officers the same authority as municipal police officers. Officers also are under the direction of policies of the university as well as departmental policies.
tar97heel Jan 30, 6:12 p.m.
Before I'm attacked for being a sexist pig "rape advocate" because I said it might be a good idea for females to take as much responsibility as males for their actions (what a novel idea!), consider this: Is it your goal, activist feminists of UNC, to prevent sexual assualts, or to punish men as many males as possible as long as there are males in society? If the answer is to reduce/prevent sexual assaults, you will begin a campus-wide campaign to educate female students on how to make good decisions, such as not walking down a dark alley on Franklin St at 2am, capable of blowing a .22 on the breathalyzer. No law can protect you from a lack of common sense and personal responsibility
4Strikes Jan 30, 6:04 p.m.
And here all along, I was under the impression that UNC-CH was against rapists.
SaveEnergyMan Jan 30, 5:37 p.m.
"If they kick the wrong people out of school and it turns out to be a false accusation, the school is in a bunch of hot water."
"A statement like this makes it seems like being falsely accused of rape is worse than being the victim of rape. That's just not the case."
-- Both cases destroys lives. Being accused is a traumatic experience, with the uncertainty of prison for something you didn't do and the destruction of your reputation. The falsely accused will forever be viewed differently by the school and his peers - even if found innocent. Males are not always guilty and deserve respect too.
UNC is right to proceed carefully. Facts are always clouded by emotions and too often by alcohol/drugs. Two lives depend on it.
RKBA Jan 30, 5:29 p.m.
"A statement like this makes it seems like being falsely accused of rape is worse than being the victim of rape. "
I think rapists are the lowest form of shoe scraping, but being falsely accused of this heinous crime would be devastating.
Capitals Fan Jan 30, 5:28 p.m.
Time to bring in Jim Martin for an unbiased, complete investigation.
Terkel Jan 30, 5:20 p.m.
If you're assaulted, go to the hospital. Not the campus health clinic, the hospital. In theory they will have a rape kit and follow proper protocols. Does anyone know whether the hospital must report a rape to the police?
Again, not saying I don't believe these women, just that I would certainly like to know what they did, the names of the authorities they spoke to, and what was or was not done. "We need action," "Women must be empowered," is all feel-good lefty jargon.
And let us remember there are degrees of assault. A drunken grope != rape. We really need more info here.
TsKaMF Jan 30, 5:19 p.m.
"I doubt it's anymore under-reported than in any other school or in the general population. UNC is everybodies whipping boy right now because of horrible leadership fron the top down to the bottom. The ludicrous excuses for the past 3+ years from this administration are enough to warrant wholesale changes at UNC. The flagship has been reduced to a dinghy floating in a cesspool of corruptness." by shakennotstirred
"The flagship has been reduced to a dinghy floating in a cesspool of corruptness."
Hear, hear !
27228 Jan 30, 5:09 p.m.
"If they kick the wrong people out of school and it turns out to be a false accusation, the school is in a bunch of hot water."
A statement like this makes it seems like being falsely accused of rape is worse than being the victim of rape. That's just not the case.
shakennotstirred Jan 30, 5:07 p.m.
I doubt it's anymore under-reported than in any other school or in the general population. UNC is everybodies whipping boy right now because of horrible leadership fron the top down to the bottom. The ludicrous excuses for the past 3+ years from this administration are enough to warrant wholesale changes at UNC. The flagship has been reduced to a dinghy floating in a cesspool of corruptness.
BigUNCFan Jan 30, 5:02 p.m.
There was a story in Virginia just the other week where a guy had been in prison for many years because a girl claimed he had assaulted her. She later joined a church and then went to the police and retracted her story and he was freed.
Not saying this is the norm but schools have to be defensive because of stuff like this. If they kick the wrong people out of school and it turns out to be a false accusation, the school is in a bunch of hot water.
I suspect that this is why the school is not expelling students. Lack of evidence.
Again, as stated before, if there is an assault, go to the police, not to the school. It is a crime and that is what the police are for. After going to the police, then go to the school for additional justice which probably will be forthcoming if there is a guilty verdict at trial or a plea deal.
lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 4:52 p.m.
....we need an executive order here...that's the only thing that will work
That Explains It Jan 30, 4:51 p.m.
UNC is not going to do that any more than the NCAA is going to investigate the UNC-Chapel Hill sports programs for academic fraud. This is because it would reflect poorly on the university to have an investigation.
Get your priorities straight people!!!
subanitov Jan 30, 4:34 p.m.
"Good for the students...Duke does the same thing about crime on their campus as well. They will pass off EVERYTHING to the city police so that it won't show up on their crime records when parents look up the university." johnny2times
Even if the city police were to take the report, the orgin of the crime would still be on-campus and it would be public record. Perhaps you can provided one single case where this actually happened since it happens all the time?
zarberg Jan 30, 4:28 p.m.
"... being pushed by a few activist students who need something new to complain about, now that the Occupy movement has died down.
Except that this began before Occupy. Try again.
lost in translation Jan 30, 4:21 p.m.
Looks like the twelve people who showed up have a point. Enough of a point to make this into a major news story as WRAL seems fit.
BigUNCFan Jan 30, 4:17 p.m.
I know this is a terrible thing to go through but I am not sure why the school is responsible. If there was an assault, you should go to the police not the school and have the city/town press charges against the suspect.
Then it goes to a court and the person is tried and found guilty or innocent.
I just don't see what the school can do other than kick the person out and I imagine in most cases, they probably could not do that due to lack of evidence. They have law suits to think about if they are over zealous and kick out the wrong guy based on an accusation.
Remember Duke lacrosse and other similar cases have shown that people sometimes do lie when they report a crime. It is really a shame that happens and makes it that much harder for real victims to come forward and be believed by others.
A false accusation when discovered should be punished severely with jail time equal to what would have been given to the accused should the accused have been found guilty.
The Gooch Jan 30, 4:15 p.m.
Wait, UNC-CH administrators are covering up, hiding, & lying about information that reflects poorly on the university?? How can this possibly be?? Perhaps they'll commission 4+ useless "reviews" exonerating themselves from any malfeasance like they did for their ongoing athletics cheating scandal. What an embarrassment to the state of NC. Best wishes to these brave young women and kudos for speaking out against yet another example of blatant corruption in that "dear place."
golorealist Jan 30, 4:13 p.m.
if those 5 are legitimate something should definitely be done. but, you can't hold the university accountable for the other 71 cases.
golorealist Jan 30, 4:13 p.m.
UNC junior Andrea Pino, one of the complainants, was sexually assaulted last March and now works as a peer educator for other sexual assault survivors on campus. She said she spoke with 76 people who claimed to have been sexually assaulted at UNC and noticed a disturbing trend.
"They weren't being believed. They were being told they were making up their mental illnesses. They were told their depression counted as consent," Pino said. "I was hearing stories almost every day, and I was the only one listening to them."
Of the 76, she said, only five reported the assaults to UNC. None, she said, have gotten justice.
the quote above is from a previous article about the same thing. read that quote very carefully.76 claimed to be sexually assaulted and complained the university wasn't listening to them. only 5 reported their cases.
schooldoctor Jan 30, 4:11 p.m.
We deserve what we are willing to accept. Let it happen to a high ranking employees child or child of an alum the problem will get fixed. I can hear Thorp now, "we just didn't know" or "we just did not have enough proof".
subanitov Jan 30, 4:05 p.m.
"Why not go directly to the police to report an assault? Is there some kind of rule that says you have to go through the University system for some reason?" larterl
Good question. I googled "unc cleary report" and there are several pages of information for whom students are to report assaults, including the police. There are no restrictions on victims to contact police. The police can't know what is going on until someone reports it.
powerpuffjenn Jan 30, 4:01 p.m.
i was an undergrad at UNC, one day back in 2001 a man drove very slowly and followed me from central campus to my south campus dorm. at one point the sidewalk came close to road and i could see that he was pleasuring himslef in his car (wral won't let me write the "M" word). i called the campus police when i got back to my dorm and the lady that answered was belligerent toward me and acted like i was a fool for not catching his license plate number or the make or model of the car. she actively shamed me for not being a better victim. nothing more serious than that ever happened but i do regret not writing into the daily tarheel at the time and exposing that gross misconduct on the university's part. i love UNC dearly, but stop my annual giving until this is addressed and satisfactorily rectified.
jamzwilkins Jan 30, 4:00 p.m.
Why not call the attorney general's office.
Triumph Jan 30, 3:59 p.m.
This is a "cause celebre" (an issue or incident arousing widespread controversy, outside campaigning and heated public debate) being pushed by a few activist students who need something new to complain about, now that the Occupy movement has died down.
FE_ORA Jan 30, 3:56 p.m.
IF these any of "alleged" rapists that the administration are protecting are athletes, this could be Penn State-Part Deux.
johnny2times Jan 30, 3:48 p.m.
Of course the university is not going to say anything...if they report it on their crime stats, it looks bad when people look up the university for when they want to apply. The university has been apparently sweeping this under the rug. Good for the students...Duke does the same thing about crime on their campus as well. They will pass off EVERYTHING to the city police so that it won't show up on their crime records when parents look up the university.
FourAutumn Jan 30, 3:42 p.m.
""I and other survivors should not have to walk around our campus each day with the fear of seeing the men who raped us," Gambill said"
Sounds to me like a Legal problem....are they saying that campus and city police are not investigating rapes?
Fireflies Rock Jan 30, 3:37 p.m.
Why not go directly to the police to report an assault? Is there some kind of rule that says you have to go through the University system for some reason?
Terkel Jan 30, 3:33 p.m.
If the allegations are true, this is far more serious than the AA boondoggle. If it isn't, these students should be expelled for making the allegations.
editor nc Jan 30, 3:21 p.m.
Good for the students! Someone needs to stand up to an administration who covers up much of the crime on or near campus. Parents send their kids here assuming its safe. its not!
mcraineycrazies Jan 30, 3:18 p.m.
THIS IS CRAZY, WHY ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DOING THIS AGAINST THESE WOMEN, KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL??? PEOPLE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON SENDING THIER KIDS TO THESE PLACES FOR THEM TO HAVE TO WALK AMONG THESE SICK PEOPLE,, YOU NEED TO CONTACT CNN OR NANCY GRACE AND LET HER BLOW THIS THING UP,, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD LEARN AFTER THE WHOLE PENN STATE THING,WOW,,
OleNCNative Jan 30, 3:09 p.m.
This has become more than a little blown out of proportion.
NiceNSmooth Jan 30, 3:05 p.m.
WOW.... the problems never end at this school
JustAName Jan 30, 3:04 p.m.
Not just at UNC. Probably on all college campuses. Crime on campus usually doesn't get reported to the real authorities.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2014-06-24 16:03:36