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shaglady Feb 7, 7:38 p.m.
It is juat "a study" people. We have over 20 acres in the corridor and pay property tax on 60. Get on with it...this "corridor blight" is killing us. It will never go through Garner it will cost too much.
oleguy Jan 31, 11:37 a.m.
The only people with a good map, are the ones buying land up in strange places and patterns,,,I know people that paid 4 times the land value and bought property near I40,, Maps were off about a hundred feet,, They wound up with land locked property, still not used today,,,
oleguy Jan 31, 11:32 a.m.
Dont have a dog in this fight,, But even money says they goina build a road thru Garner,, What a waste of property,,
Come On_Seriously Jan 31, 10:57 a.m.
Perhaps the GA has learned something about their kneejerk conservative laws, now that they have to spend more time to correct their waste of time with the first legislation.
superman Jan 31, 10:37 a.m.
Seems no one wants the new road. Just forget the new road and they can come and resurface our subdivisions 35 year old street.
junkmail5 Jan 31, 9:17 a.m.
Just great. Now Bubba can go out and get just about as armed and drunk as he pleases.
No, he can't.
He'd be violating the law if he drank alcohol while carrying. Just like right now under the current law.
The point of the law is that he could carry his gun when he takes his family to Applebees.
Right now, he CAN'T, because they happen to serve alcohol. Even if he's not buying any. Even if nobody at his entire table is buying any. He can't bring his gun with him even if NOBODY in the entire place is drinking- simply because they serve it there.
So he'd have to leave it in the car, where it's more likely to be stolen, and where it does him no good if a crime happened in the restaurant.
snazzyone0 Jan 31, 9:14 a.m.
Go to this link for the best detail map I have seen. It shows more properties are impacted than have been indicated in the news.
douglascarey Jan 31, 8:03 a.m.
If they don't complete the loop the whole thing is a waste of time and money. And when the loop is complete, the entire thing should either have a toll or there should be no toll at all.
tar97heel Jan 30, 7:06 p.m.
The lilac, orange and plum routes are the only ones that make sense. A bypass needs to go down near 42 and over to the 70 bypass or 40/42 interchange to be considered a true "bypass" around congested areas in the southern part of the triangle.
Cock a doodle doo Jan 30, 7:01 p.m.
"We love Garner" - Stam
Stam and Dollar loved Garner a lot more when they weren't in charge. Maybe they can call the new portion of 540 the "Nelson Dollar Tollway."
Who wants to bet Skippy has got some kind of money coming to him somewhere?
Sumo Vita Jan 30, 5:46 p.m.
"The first firearms-related measure to be filed this session would allow concealed handgun permit holders to bring their guns into restaurants where alcohol is served."
Just great. Now Bubba can go out and get just about as armed and drunk as he pleases.
corey3rd2 Jan 30, 5:40 p.m.
Seems the toll authority has downplayed how much money they've been collection. Also helps they're putting out ads so that TV/Radio don't seem to care about such info.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Jan 30, 4:53 p.m.
"I live near Timber and Aversboro...if they do this route my neighborhood (from what I can tell looking at the maps) would be right on the edge of the Red Route...I hope they don't do it...they have another route that they won't use because of "enviornmental concerns"...so I guess a few frogs or something are more important than peoples' homes?" - anderson
"It is absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible that they are not finishing the southern loop before they begin on the I40 work this summer. I've yet to hear one person explain that timing. I guess it would make to much sense to expect it from the NCDOT." - claytontarheel
Sounds like you want to blame frogs or the NCDOT for our problems. But please ask yourselves: Which party now has complete and total control the NC state government? Which party could fix both of these problems right now with a single phone call?
ladybug68 Jan 30, 4:40 p.m.
would LOVE a more detailed map...and I wish humans were respected as much as mussels..
jeffdewitt Jan 30, 4:36 p.m.
Check here, the Turnpike Authority has all the information availble.
BigSteamnTurd Jan 30, 4:33 p.m.
There is no detailed map. They are hiding the truth!
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 4:29 p.m.
More maps here:
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 4:26 p.m.
Nephesh, here's a good map
DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jan 30, 3:51 p.m.
Where is there a more detailed map of this? This one shows next to nothing.
jeffdewitt Jan 30, 3:48 p.m.
Mark, no they can't and no they didn't.
The part of 540 west of I-40 that was free for a while was always going to be part of the toll road, that's why it was NC-540 not I-540 like the eastern portion. The section of NC 147 north of I-40 has no toll, the section south of I-40 was built as a toll road.
And again, the Red Route is a nonstarter. If the only route the feds would allow was the Red Route the state would pull the plug.
And I DO live very close to the Red Route corridor.
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 3:45 p.m.
I guess Sen. Chad Barefoot has no pull with his Republican buddies. Maybe he just talks a good game.
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 3:34 p.m.
"The Red Route appeared shortly after Collett was appointed to the NC Turnpike Authority Board of Directors. The proposed highway would bring thousands of people through his shopping center (White Oak) on a daily basis. Collett sold a large portion of the shopping center to Inland American for $95 million in August 2011. He still owns several pieces of land (over 100 acres) worth millions of dollars in the shopping center through Garner Land Company LLC and Garner Retail LLC. He recently acquired 3 pieces of land at the corner of 401 and Ten-Ten Road that will be just a few hundred yards South of the proposed highway that he owns through 401 & TEN TEN, LLC."
BigSteamnTurd Jan 30, 3:24 p.m.
"The sad thing is that they really do feel we're as stupid as they think we are"
They have no doubt about that, look at who they elected as the last Governor.
markjb33 Jan 30, 3:12 p.m.
It is quite possible that State DOT can do what they did when creating the tolled section of 540 now, take away free roads(south 147, existing 540 running to Rte 55) and just start tolling them.
ncmedic201 Jan 30, 3:08 p.m.
How can they finish the eastern side if they don't have the southern route picked yet?
SaveEnergyMan Jan 30, 3:05 p.m.
The red route defies common sense. Of course, government defies common sense too - which is why those of us in the path are so worried.
simonmufc Jan 30, 3:00 p.m.
To the people who think the Red Route won't get built, would your opinion change if you knew someone stood to benefit financially from that route? In what appears to be a conflict of interest, John Collett, a member of the DOT board and the Turnpike authority board owns property along the proposed Red Route. See Dec 29, 2012 on http://www.stoptheredroute.org/news.php for the property
ckblackm Jan 30, 2:24 p.m.
Can we name it the "screw the people of S. Wake toll road"?
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 2:23 p.m.
While your at it lets toll all of 40, 540, 85, and 95.
anderson Jan 30, 2:21 p.m.
I live near Timber and Aversboro...if they do this route my neighborhood (from what I can tell looking at the maps) would be right on the edge of the Red Route...I hope they don't do it...they have another route that they won't use because of "enviornmental concerns"...so I guess a few frogs or something are more important than peoples' homes?
babbleon Jan 30, 2:15 p.m.
@Enough is enough: This is 540 to I40, southern side. I assume you mean bring the northern side down, completing the eastern side of the loop.
With the 540 to 64 connection complete, the only large community left between 64 and 40 on the east side is Clayton. On the southern side, you've got Garner, Holly Springs and Fuquay Varina. Since Clayton is almost exactly 180 from 40 and RTP, it doesn't matter to Clayton which side is finished first.
If the goal is to get as many people as possible closer to a 4-lane divided highway en route to RTP, how do you get that the eastern side 'makes more sense' than the southern side?
NeverSurrender Jan 30, 2:12 p.m.
"Pass the bill, this restriction was stupid to begin with. The road would NOT be built on the Red Route no matter what the feds want."
But there was also no guarantee the Red Route wouldn't be the one picked. If it's being studied, it can be selected and given government's predilection for picking the worst possible alternative as a "solution" to a problem, I'm not sure I'd want to trust the politicians to do the right thing.
There were plenty of other routes to study as the alternative to the protected corridor but those were taken off the table because they would have impacted the towns that coincidentally Reps. Dollar and Stam represent.
The sad thing is that they really do feel we're as stupid as they think we are and for the most part, they're right.
baldchip Jan 30, 2:10 p.m.
Jeff-you are correct. Even the disfunctional Fed DOT would not want red route to be run-makes no sense to destroy that many homes and businesses. Get real!!
Common sense helps alot-oh-we're dealing with the fed-scratch that comment about common sense!!
glo Jan 30, 2:08 p.m.
I think Paul stam is going to find it a lot harder to fight Garner than he thinks it is. A lot harder.
markjb33 Jan 30, 1:57 p.m.
Odd- when opening the most recent part of 540, DOT commercials claimed it was the last remaining toll section!
wral mods blow close my account Jan 30, 1:54 p.m.
Do we get to tear down and pave over Paul Stam's and Nelson Dollar's homes if they are wrong?
NeverSurrender Jan 30, 1:52 p.m.
"Nobody has any ill will toward Garner. We love Garner," he said. "We think this is actually the best thing for the people around Garner – to get this over and done with."
Says two people who don't actually live in Garner nor have the Red Route ploughing right through their living room!
Why can't the Corps pick a completely different route elsewhere to "study" (waste money and time on) before picking the protected corridor that has been in place for 20 years that would disrupt the least amount of people?!?
itsnotmeiswear Jan 30, 1:47 p.m.
It is absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible that they are not finishing the southern loop before they begin on the I40 work this summer. I've yet to hear one person explain that timing. I guess it would make to much sense to expect it from the NCDOT.
corey3rd2 Jan 30, 1:45 p.m.
Garner is now going to get McSlaughtered by Pope's Puppet People. Enjoy the devastation as your neighborhood get plowed over so people can shortcut to Durham.
jeffdewitt Jan 30, 1:43 p.m.
Pass the bill, this restriction was stupid to begin with. The road would NOT be built on the Red Route no matter what the feds want.
(of course what is REALLY stupid is the federal requirement for two routes!)
Enough is Enough People Jan 30, 1:41 p.m.
Who cares? Why dont the complete 540 to I-40 first? That makes more sense.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03