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  • ekscholl Jan 31, 7:05 p.m.

    Thank You NC General Assembly! Finally some gun legislation that makes sense. To all those that don't like this: You know there are plenty of other states you can move to...why don't you go promote your gun-grabbing agendas there?

  • junkmail5 Jan 31, 5:54 p.m.

    Is the bartender/server going to be required to do a patdown before serving?? How silly! -goldenosprey

    You're right, that's incredibly silly.

    It's illegal to drink and carry at the same time.

    So why in the world would you think someone who was going to ignore THAT law would OBEY the one that said they can't carry where they SERVE drinks?

    That would make no sense at all, so surely you don't mean that!

    Oh good lord. What nonsense. That is kinda like saying we should change our drunk driving laws so that you can hold a beer while driving, you just can't drink it- Bill0

    Uh, you CAN hold a beer while driving. It just can't be opened.

    Mainly though this law is so you can go eat a steak at Outback without having to leave the gun in the car where it's more likely to be stolen just because somebody else 40 feet away is drinking a beer under the same roof.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 1:15 p.m.

    goldenospry and bill0 as I indicated..please re read the last line of my post.

  • bill0 Jan 31, 12:00 p.m.

    "The provision may allow one to carry a concealed weapon into an establisment where alcohol is consumed if passed. However, the concealed carrier WILL NOT be authorized to consume alcohol while in the possession of a concealed weapon. One or the other kinda thing."

    Oh good lord. What nonsense. That is kinda like saying we should change our drunk driving laws so that you can hold a beer while driving, you just can't drink it. That kind of nonsense is so unenforcable that nobody should be fooled by it.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 10:42 a.m.

    Also, for the lower informed folks out there who keep crying about "gun and alcohol don't mix" garbage. Know this. The provision may allow one to carry a concealed weapon into an establisment where alcohol is consumed if passed. However, the concealed carrier WILL NOT be authorized to consume alcohol while in the possession of a concealed weapon. One or the other kinda thing. Wake up people....educate yourselves.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 10:33 a.m.

    Hey, I like the idea more everyday!! Hope it passes.

  • watchman Jan 31, 10:12 a.m.

    I am sure there are plenty of ccw permit holders that already carry their weapons into restaurants! No one knows because the are CONCEALED! We haven't seen or heard any of these permit holders going crazy in a drunken state shooting up the local eatery! If a non gun supporter doesn't know weapons aren't there the world is all sunny!! All the gun laws that are passed, they will not stop the criminals from getting guns and committing crimes against the unaware. The people using the weapons are the problem, no consequences in their life and parents that think their child does no wrong it the problem! Lets take some responsibility of our actions, worry about ourselves and not force the people that live a law biding life be effected by those that will never make anything of themselves in life and commit crimes, do drugs, not work and wait for handouts. Stop letting lazy people be lazy and they will be forced to get a job and I will get to work less hours! But until then.... Your welcome!

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 9:17 a.m.

    "If alcohol and driving don't mix... I can't possibly see how alcohol and guns would."

    They don't. Just as with anything (car, machine shop press, etc) that can cause serious injury or death, you just don't mess with it if you are impaired.

    "Gun rights advocates pushed for a restaurant carry bill last session, saying that establishments that serve alcohol are spots where law abiding gun owners are vulnerable to criminals."

    People are vulnerable to criminals everywhere. No place is safe. Are there places where you might be more likely to encounter criminals? Sure. If you feel unsafe at such an establishment then why go there?

  • brianwilson1032 Jan 31, 8:32 a.m.

    here is a great example of someone with a Concealed Carry Handgun Permit. He uses judgment and decides not to shoot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvOOdk2nlg

  • Offshore Jan 30, 9:22 p.m.

    Its a comfort to me to know that when the gun nerd accidently shoots me he will have his permit revoked.
    Mr. Middle of the Road

    Freedom of press allows you to speak your mind, unfortunately your comments are uneducated. Why don't you take a ccp class and see what exactly those of us who have taken the class go through to get the permit. Talk is cheap. Expand your horizons and see what you don't know. That goes for any of you who refer to ccp carriers as "gun nuts".

  • Offshore Jan 30, 9:15 p.m.

    Yeah, because armed holdups are a regular feature at Wake County restaurants.
    Sumo Vita

    Just because you choose to be naive of your surroundings doesn't mean we all are. restaurants, gas station/convenience stores and yes that would be in wake county too

  • Jameson Jan 30, 7:39 p.m.

    Yeah, because armed holdups are a regular feature at Wake County restaurants. -Sumo Vita

    Actually...
    1- several mass murders* around the nation over the past several decades have been at restaurants, almost moreso than any other type place.

    2- Restaurants are the more frequent locations of armed robberies* than youre apparently aware of.

  • jonathangmurray Jan 30, 7:15 p.m.

    The anti-gun crowd is quite vocal around here... funny to watch, sad to consider how many willing wards of the state exist in NC. Liberals may have convinced you that the government will be there to protect you, but an honest look around should convince even the most hard headed that that simply is not true. Even if you do believe the police will be there to protect you when you need it most, why are you so eager to give up the ability to do for yourselves? And why do you insist I need to give up mine? Pure selfishness. Don't worry, should the need arise, I'll still protect you, too.

  • dontstopnow Jan 30, 6:50 p.m.

    The bill has not even been discussed yet except right here on this blog! Why is anyone complaining about it yet... Geeesh.

  • beachboater Jan 30, 6:41 p.m.

    " These same things are also frequently screeching that gun laws don't work because people do whatever they want anyway. Amazing that kind of hypocrisy exists among otherwise sentient beings." geosol

    NOBODY has said people do what they want. Everybody has said CRIMINALS do what they want. BIG difference.

  • beachboater Jan 30, 6:39 p.m.

    You people talk about the right wing whackos that want to carry a concealed weapon. Have you ever thought about what you would do, in your house if someone "invaded your home". Read the news. Happens more frequently every week.

    Those who aren't concerned about gangbangers. Do you think gangbangers hang in gangbanger town? They want to go where the honest more affluent people are, so they can steal and rob, and maybe kill.

    Do you want to watch your daughter, or your wife be raped while you sit on the sidewalk and watch? But you said that you don't go where gangbangers go. Just where do gangbangers go? The Mall? That's a good start. Lots of money there, people shopping.

    I take the responsibility of CCP very seriously. I keep a gun around. I hope and pray that I never use it other than at the range. You did realize that they encourage regular practice with the gun that you will carry? Or you uprobably didn't realize that. Just grab a gun and be a "hero" and kill some inn

  • beachboater Jan 30, 6:31 p.m.

    "Know what else these people had in common? They were all, without exception, gun nuts. Still wonder why your rhetoric is viewed with more than a little disgust?" Sumo Vita

    The school killer in CT wasn't a gun nut. Just a nut. He used guns he took from his mother after he killed her. She was a target shooter. I've not seen any news account that he even owned a gun, just his mother.

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 6:14 p.m.

    "I don't understand all the booze and guns don't mix comments. I cannot drink and carry....its illegal. I am a law abiding, honest, never had a speeding ticket, careful, caring person."

    I'm sure you are. I'm also sure there are many others like you. Unfortunately, good intentions don't always translate into good actions. When it's a matter of deadly force, I'd prefer to leave that to trained professionals, especially where the risk of criminal threat is just about non-existent (being mugged while dining at a local restaurant).

  • geosol Jan 30, 6:14 p.m.

    It's actually pretty funny reading the incredibly ignorant comments from some of the little right wingers who think they are defending this lunacy by saying that it would be illegal to drink and pack, so it would never happen. These same things are also frequently screeching that gun laws don't work because people do whatever they want anyway. Amazing that kind of hypocrisy exists among otherwise sentient beings.

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 6:03 p.m.

    THIS kind of idiocy will be the tea party's real legacy.

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 5:58 p.m.

    "If this passes, you can check restaurants off the list of gun free zones that mass murderers and robbers can have free reign in.
    "

    Yeah, because armed holdups are a regular feature at Wake County restaurants.

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 5:57 p.m.

    "IKR. it's funny that they will blame CCP holders before a crime is coimmitted but fail to see that criminals always fail to follow laws....but we're the bad guys!"

    The problem is with your convenient use of the term "criminal". All of those whack jobs that murdered children in Newtown, Aurora, Columbine etc were all "law-abiding citizens", under your definition and that of the NRA, until they cracked. Yes, your wonderful "law abiding" friends have been on a slaughtering spree of late, if you haven't noticed. Know what else these people had in common? They were all, without exception, gun nuts. Still wonder why your rhetoric is viewed with more than a little disgust?

  • UNCGMom Jan 30, 5:56 p.m.

    I don't understand all the booze and guns don't mix comments. I cannot drink and carry....its illegal. I am a law abiding, honest, never had a speeding ticket, careful, caring person. I've never shot anyone.....I'd be happy to be in my company should an armed robbery go down! What will those of you do if, God forbid, you or your family were being threatened by an armed robber? Would you really prefer to sit and hope to not get hurt or worse? I just refuse to be a victim....or watch my family be hurt .....I will do anything to protect those I love and even those of you who think I'm scary because I carry!

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 5:52 p.m.

    "Restaraunt #1 welcoming all CCP holders & free ice tea Restaraunt #2 all weapons on the premises are prohibited

    You are the bad guy, which one are you going to ?"

    When was the last time a "bad guy" decided to hold up your local Applebees? Further, the issue isn't "ice tea", it's liquored up drunks that are also armed.

  • Tin Nutt Jan 30, 5:51 p.m.

    "You are more worried about someone with a concealed carry permit, such as a husband or wife, then a gangbanger with an illegal gun?"

    Yes, much more worried about a concealed carry person with poor judgement than a gangbanger. My perceived gangbanger risk is very low - a non-issue for me. Where is all this fear of such a low probability event coming from? Want something to fear? Fear cancer. Much more likely than getting shot at by a gangster.

  • Sumo Vita Jan 30, 5:50 p.m.

    "lots of evidence out there to show that crime exists. please find and show where CCP holders are committing crimes in staggering numbers."

    Please find and show evidence for diners at local restaurants being held at gunpoint and thereby requiring your CCP "heroes" to intervene.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 30, 5:23 p.m.

    when applying for a CCP you are required to demonstrate safe handling and operation of your firearm in addition to common firearm safety. Any failure to do so will result in nullification of said permit.
    lrfarms27572

    Its a comfort to me to know that when the gun nerd accidently shoots me he will have his permit revoked.

  • rmsmith Jan 30, 5:10 p.m.

    Picture this; both provide same menu, service and prices

    Restaraunt #1 welcoming all CCP holders & free ice tea
    Restaraunt #2 all weapons on the premises are prohibited

    You are the bad guy, which one are you going to ?

    Nuff said

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 5:10 p.m.

    I did realize that. So a trained officer did not know how to handle a weapon. And you expect every Joe Citizen who carries to handle them correctly? Good luck with that. Be sute to wear your flak jacket to Applebees.

    Mr. Middle of the Road

    when applying for a CCP you are required to demonstrate safe handling and operation of your firearm in addition to common firearm safety. Any failure to do so will result in nullification of said permit.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 30, 5:00 p.m.

    the officer should have handled the firearm as if it were loaded which he obviously did not.

    just thought u should know that

    I did realize that. So a trained officer did not know how to handle a weapon. And you expect every Joe Citizen who carries to handle them correctly? Good luck with that. Be sute to wear your flak jacket to Applebees.

  • wanderer Jan 30, 4:59 p.m.

    "Yup, it's all about "jobs, Jobs, JOBS!!!", isn't it wingers. Great idea! Let paranoid whackos carry loaded guns into places that serve alcohol! A right winger's dream, and a nightmare for good, normal people. - geosol"

    Really?? I am not a right winger and I still have a CCP. Not everyone who conceal carries is someone on the right. Believe it or not there are just as many "libs" and "righties" with permits. Also, since this is already legal in many other states, where is the wholesale slaughter you're alluding to? You do realize it would be in all of the newspapers if it was actually happening.

  • wildpig777 Jan 30, 4:49 p.m.

    THIS COUNTRY was built on booze and guns-- wont no jamals or jose's around-- now calculate that in yer ongoing revision of history. face the truth-- you might learn.

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 4:49 p.m.

    What an idiotic idea. I love the old arguments -it's still illegal to kill somebody in a very difficult way that takes a long time, and the law says you can't have any alcohol if you're carrying. Who is going to enforce that?

    My family and I will not visit any restaurants where firearms are allowed and yes, I know what you have to go through to get a CCP.

    goldenosprey

    the same one's who will enforce all of the new guns laws that you are in favor of right?

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 4:48 p.m.

    Yup, it's all about "jobs, Jobs, JOBS!!!", isn't it wingers. Great idea! Let paranoid whackos carry loaded guns into places that serve alcohol! A right winger's dream, and a nightmare for good, normal people.

    geosol

    who's the paranoid wacko?

    really?

    lots of evidence out there to show that crime exists. please find and show where CCP holders are committing crimes in staggering numbers.

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 4:39 p.m.

    If this passes, you can check restaurants off the list of gun free zones that mass murderers and robbers can have free reign in.

    The restriction against restaurant carry due to alcohol being served there was rediculous. Whether or not the CCW'er is drinking should be what matters.

    Jameson

    IKR. it's funny that they will blame CCP holders before a crime is coimmitted but fail to see that criminals always fail to follow laws....but we're the bad guys!

    I mean really!

    what is wrong with this world and these people my god!

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 4:37 p.m.

    Keep in mind that these are the same people who can't even go to a gun show without shooting each other. Now they are going to be sitting next to you and you children at the burger place. Somehow that is not very comforting to me.

    Mr. Middle of the Road

    Since WRAL did not report the full story about the incident at the gun show tyou want to use to support your arguement let me clarify something for you. It was a secuirty guard who was holding the gun when it went off, thats why no charges were pressed against the owner. the officer should have handled the firearm as if it were loaded which he obviously did not.

    just thought u should know that

  • goldenosprey Jan 30, 4:26 p.m.

    Booze and guns, together at last!

    What an idiotic idea. I love the old arguments -it's still illegal to kill somebody in a very difficult way that takes a long time, and the law says you can't have any alcohol if you're carrying. Who is going to enforce that?

    My family and I will not visit any restaurants where firearms are allowed and yes, I know what you have to go through to get a CCP.

  • wdkanesfan Jan 30, 4:22 p.m.

    3 people accidently shot at a gun show, with thousands of people attending guns shows every weekend. And just how many people were killed on the highway this past weekend due to careless and reckless driving? More people are killed by someone texting or distracted driving then by law abiding citizens accidently discharging their weapons. How comforting is it to know that the people with illegal guns (criminals)already have them at the burger joints? Do you even know who is committing armed robberies?

  • rmsmith Jan 30, 4:21 p.m.

    With hundreds of thousands of CCW holders in NC, you are probably near CCW holders at one time or another in grocery stores, malls, service stations, parks, Wal-Mart, etc. When carrying, 99.9999% of licensed CCW holders are extremely careful.

    We abide by the law where criminals do not care. Think back to the restraunt in Texas where the guy killed a lot of unarmed people. Myself, I'd rather be prepared should that incident ever take place.

    What if you and your family and kids were at AppleBee's and some criminal came in threatening to kill people ? What are you going to do, sit there ?

  • Pirate01 Jan 30, 4:16 p.m.

    "Well I will only go to restaurants where concealed weapons are banned. Do you see how people drive cars out there. I can just picture a fight between a girlfriend and boyfried, husban and wife, people talking politics or whatever and things get out of hand. I do not want to be any where near this"

    These new proposals are legal in many other states and your theory, like all anti-gun theories, are baseless. If you want to stay away from people with concealed weapons you need to stay out of every store, every fast food place, every mall and off of every sidewalk.

  • yorgasor Jan 30, 4:15 p.m.

    So... many of the horrific murders we see are actually murder/suicides. After a mass shooting, the shooter has no intention of being taken alive. So how does being "tougher" on crime solve that problem? If you were a student, and a psycho with a gun came on campus, what would you prefer to have defend you:

    A. Teachers with guns
    B. Cops with guns who will be there in 5 minutes or so
    C. A politician yelling through a megaphone that the shooter is going to be punished even worse for every student he shoots?

  • yankee1 Jan 30, 4:09 p.m.

    Good points beachmama, you made our case. What good are laws when criminals and others coud care less. All more laws do is make politicians feel good about themselves.

  • Jameson Jan 30, 4:06 p.m.

    Finally, a sensible gun law that can save lives.

    If this passes, you can check restaurants off the list of gun free zones that mass murderers and robbers can have free reign in.

    The restriction against restaurant carry due to alcohol being served there was rediculous. Whether or not the CCW'er is drinking should be what matters.

  • wdkanesfan Jan 30, 4:05 p.m.

    You are more worried about someone with a concealed carry permit, such as a husband or wife, then a gangbanger with an illegal gun? You do realize that very very few crimes are committed by those with a Concealed Carry permit issued by their local sheriff right?

  • Barfly Jan 30, 3:58 p.m.

    "Well I will only go to restaurants where concealed weapons are banned. Do you see how people drive cars out there. I can just picture a fight between a girlfriend and boyfried, husban and wife, people talking politics or whatever and things get out of hand. I do not want to be any where near this." beachmama

    At first, I thought you were talking about eating at an IHOP. Pretty much the same scenario you described. Armed cops are standing by just in case an omelet breaks bad.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 30, 3:51 p.m.

    Keep in mind that these are the same people who can't even go to a gun show without shooting each other. Now they are going to be sitting next to you and you children at the burger place. Somehow that is not very comforting to me.

  • nascar33 Jan 30, 3:50 p.m.

    beachmama"That is what we need, drunks with guns"

    The way this works is you can carry in the restaurant but you are not allowed to consume alcohol. Lot's of people go to restaurants and don't drink alcohol. NC's concealed carry law does not allow you to carry if you have had any alcohol.

  • WageSlave Jan 30, 3:48 p.m.

    I have my gun on me at all times anyway. I'll let 12 see me in court rather than 6 bury me.

    "It is a just person who disobeys an unjust law."
    Plato (427-347 BC)

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 30, 3:47 p.m.

    beachmama,

    thanks for lumping us in with all the criminals. since you know everything I'll let you in on a little secret...

    As a CCP holder it is my legal DUTY to step in if I witness a violent act. that means that if you or you children are being victimized by a criminal that I am all but legally required to step in since I have a CCP. I had to go through virtually the same background check as a law enforcement officer and exibit an resonable amount of knowledge about common weapons and be able to use said weapon(s) in a controlled manner.

    but I'm sure you knew all that.

    so show a little respect instead of thorwing us under the bus.

  • mj1angier Jan 30, 3:45 p.m.

    Yes, beachmama, people break laws. Do making more laws keep them from breaking the first ones?
    Until we really punish people for breaking the law, they will keep doing it. Until we lock up the mentally ill, not just give them a happy pill and send them back out on the streets, we will still have people getting killed.

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