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  • Plenty Coups Jan 30, 12:16 p.m.

    doingmybest-"No different than liberals blaming everything bad on the upper class. So we have two extremes and not enough middle of the road sensible people to put an end to the senseless bickering. So we all lose."

    Some liberals do blame the rich. That's true. But i don't understand people from the middle class agreeing with "their party" (or team) that they should pay more so that the rich can pay less. Is it that important that your side wins so that you end up voting against your best interests? With a progressive tax system, the rich can and do pay a bit more of a percentage and still have plenty of income left for luxury.

  • DoingMyBest Jan 30, 10:18 a.m.

    "Conservatives don't. It's a kind of reverse robin hood ideology. Blame everything bad on the poor and middle class, constantly call them "takers" or the 47%, and insist they pay more so that the rich can pay less in taxes." PC

    No different than liberals blaming everything bad on the upper class. So we have two extremes and not enough middle of the road sensible people to put an end to the senseless bickering. So we all lose.

  • DoingMyBest Jan 30, 10:13 a.m.

    "I would expect poor people living on the state lines cross those lines for groceries and services such as hair cuts."

    Exactly, but is sounds so much better when placing the attack on the "so called rich". Because they never ever pay their fair share. It is so unfair.

  • dollibug Jan 30, 10:04 a.m.

    There are a lot of *ISSUES in NC which need to be addressed*....I can NOT believe that these people want to REDUCE unemployment benefits*WOW*

  • wildpig777 Jan 30, 8:32 a.m.

    most nc republicans are actually closet democrats-- watch what i say in the upcoming months regarding legistration.

    hey when you make voter id a major biggie-- that tells me all i need to know about the incompetance of the new adminastration.-- MEET THE NEW BOSS HE'S AS SLACK AS THE OLD BOSS.....

  • fauxpaws2000 Jan 29, 11:58 p.m.

    Hey, when your own governor packs up and leaves (No mas!) mid-term, exhaust fumes filled the vacuum. As the saying goes, we get the government we deserve. Thank you, Ms. Perdue.

    In a state, truly unrivaled for beauty from Carolina Beach to the Blue Ridge, please find a balance between compassion for the less fortunate and those to whom much has been given. I think there's an applicable verse in one of the many spiritual traditions.

    Faux Paws

    PS: Ummmm...anybody notice that there haven't been many (if any?) Hispanic posters? If anybody has a digital camera available for photo ID...

    The times, they are a'changin'!

  • Alexia Jan 29, 11:55 p.m.

    If I were elected, I'd get rid of property taxes on one's primary residence. That is the worst tax in the world. It does not matter if you are employed or not... The government wants you to pay. We'd throw the elderly on the street over property taxes.

    Income taxes are reasonable. They don't have to be complex. Just tax at a given percent and be done with it. The income tax Ida's actually the most reasonable tax. If you make money, you pay a percentage to the government. If no salary, no tax.

  • banker27520 Jan 29, 9:55 p.m.

    ""Tillis may as well do as much as he can now... the GOP will lose control in 4 years." OleNCNative BINGO! thayerguy......Why?"

    Why not?

  • Dnut Jan 29, 7:48 p.m.

    "Spoken like a true liberal!"

    Is that supposed to be an actual argument? A label?
    Plenty Coups
    .....Both, just telling someone else what to do with there money and lives...

  • Plenty Coups Jan 29, 7:35 p.m.

    "Spoken like a true liberal!"

    Is that supposed to be an actual argument? A label?

  • Dnut Jan 29, 7:28 p.m.

    prodigal-"Not dismissing it out-of-hand, but I have some serious misgivings about saddling the poor and elderly with more expense. We seem to be losing our compassion for those less-fortunate."

    Conservatives don't. It's a kind of reverse robin hood ideology. Blame everything bad on the poor and middle class, constantly call them "takers" or the 47%, and insist they pay more so that the rich can pay less in taxes.
    Plenty Coups
    Spoken like a true liberal!

  • Terkel Jan 29, 7:28 p.m.

    "Taxes fund govt operations, not act as some form of wealth redistribution or social justice system." mep

    THIS!

  • dontstopnow Jan 29, 7:26 p.m.

    ywm is correct. Of all the posts I have read, that one is the most accurate. When the first of the year brought smaller paychecks to ALL working people, it was a glimpse of the future for middle class, poor and rich alike. There is no partiality here to any group, we are all going to pay more during the next four years. If you will all just relax and keep paying attention, you will see it and hear it. Like my Mom always said, if you are quiet and listen, you learn more. That might serve us all well at this point.

  • Dnut Jan 29, 7:24 p.m.

    "Tillis may as well do as much as he can now... the GOP will lose control in 4 years." OleNCNative BINGO! thayerguy......Why?

  • Terkel Jan 29, 7:24 p.m.

    carolinawrox, you said it's unfair to tax PEOPLE instead of income. Do you honestly not realize 0bamacare is a tax on you because you exist? You do know we've all been told we will spend our money as the Dictator tells us, or we'll be fined? Did you know it's projected to be $695 by 2016? You seem to have at best a surface understanding.

  • paganwretch Jan 29, 6:56 p.m.

    Undoubtedly there will be many more cuts and new deductions for those fortunate enough to have great wealth. We here, in the middle class, will continue to pay for everyone else above and below our standard of living.

  • mountainlover Jan 29, 6:19 p.m.

    "Rich people will smartly buy their high priced items in South Carolina and Virginia. This way they can get all the benefits of living in NC while saving quite a few pennies. Expect to see even more businesses setting up shop on the other side of the border from Charlotte." Posted by corey3rd2

    Elaborate on this, please. What type of high-priced items are you talking about? What couldn't anyone who was disciplined enough to save up the money necessary to buy one of these items take advantage of going across the state line? I am as middle-class as they come and I customarily save up enough money to buy a new car in cash. I would classify that as a high-priced item. If I find a better deal, I go across the state line. Of course, with cars, one has to pay the applicable tax in the home state. So my example is not a good one except for being a high-priced item.

    I would expect poor people living on the state lines cross those lines for groceries and services such as hair cuts.

  • abaugh Jan 29, 6:05 p.m.

    Oh, god! I am scared!!

  • razor2 Jan 29, 6:04 p.m.

    So in order to make more money for the well off and rich we cut the throats of the poor,the senior's, and the disabled . The ones
    living on set incomes don't matter they just need to die or move
    away. The future may be cloudy for some but for others there is no
    future.
    You can look for a sharp increase in crime to start with.
    The republicans raised Cain with all the occupiers wonder how they
    will feel when the homeless storm the governors office. How can the republicans talk about taking money from the most vulnerable in our state but give huge raise's to the governors cronies and staff workers being paid off the back of the less fortunate. The republican party is so out of touch with reality it boggles the mind that they live in the same country. God has a special place for people who promote gluttony avarice and greed. For the life of me I don't understand what has happened to create the kind of attitudes that the wealthy has towards those who have nothing

  • trubtold Jan 29, 5:58 p.m.

    State employees contribute 6% of their income into the state retirement system and the state as an employer matches the employee contribution at rates that have varied over the years. The State Treasurer's Office manages the pension fund and the state is not allowed to use the pension fund or borrow against it. Governor Easley did use the pension funds once I believe during his administration... but the state retirees sued and the pension was reimbursed by the state. It is an employee system and the reason it is in such good financial state in relation to other state's pension plans is that the state is not able to use the funds for other purposes (as it is employees contributions that are involved) and it is well managed. Hope that educates some of you out there. The pension a state employee receives is based on his years of service, his monetary contribution into the pension fund, and his 4 to 5 years of highest continuous salary. You don't get rich off a state pension!

  • veyor Jan 29, 5:45 p.m.

    Three letters.....CUT.

  • tgiv Jan 29, 5:30 p.m.

    "And who forces employees to do the job? Nobody. If the market decides the rate is too low for the job required, the employer will be forced to raise the rate."

    Or, as many have done, hire illegal laborers at a lower rate. The market for labor is actively manipulated by the unscrupulous.

  • aetius476 Jan 29, 5:28 p.m.

    "This is about how much more tax poor people like me are going to have to pay so we can give tax breaks to people that don't need them." - godnessgracious2

    Who are you to decide what someone "needs". Why should someone that has been financially successful be responsible to make up for your failure?

    The arrogant leftists always feel they know what is "fair", and what everyone deserves, and "needs". Amazing the hypocracy...

  • ykm Jan 29, 5:24 p.m.

    Some seemed to miss this bit of info posted today.
    U.S. consumer confidence plunged in January to its lowest level in more than a year, reflecting higher Social Security taxes that left Americans with less take-home pay

    Higher income taxes equal less take home pay. So which side of the spectrum is the best to take from. Some worry the wealthy will pay less. I suggest stop worrying about them and consider your own place on the economic ladder. Do the math. Cause the tax system/structure is going to change.

  • aetius476 Jan 29, 5:22 p.m.

    "Seems the Dems had a pretty good run of things....let's see what happens as we follow Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi down the rabbit hole of republican rule." - dwntwnboy2

    Yes, with a couple of the Dem governors either in prison or indited, it was quite a "run". LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! A Bev fan if I ever heard one....

  • whatelseisnew Jan 29, 5:19 p.m.

    "All these folks crying about democrats in control of NC for the last 100 years. We became one of the leading states in the nation in job growth, quality of life, affordable colleges and many other things. Seems the Dems had a pretty good run of things...."

    Sorry but none of that is correct any longer.

  • whatelseisnew Jan 29, 5:11 p.m.

    "Rich people will smartly buy their high priced items in South Carolina and Virginia. This way they can get all the benefits of living in NC "

    What are the benefits? HIGH TAXES and lousy roads?

  • whatelseisnew Jan 29, 5:08 p.m.

    Not sure that the Photo ID matters anymore. Our Corrupt Federal government is getting ready to reward the criminal behavior of millions of people.

    ""let's see what happens as we follow Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi down the rabbit hole of republican rule.""

    Yeah maybe we should follow California instead and work on bankruptcy proceedings one city at a time. This State is in bad fiscal shape. It is my hope that this changes. It is my hope to see significant spending cuts and a significant downsizing in the number of State Employees. I also hope they are not DUMB enough to expand Medicaid. In fact, they ought to see if there is a way to turn that PROGRAM back to the Feds where it belongs.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx Jan 29, 5:02 p.m.

    "State workers DO pay for their retirement benefits, which aren't that great. They pay in the form of low salaries and not enough raises in the last several years to match the increase in health premiums or the raised the gov's staff gets."

    They also pay in the form of 6% cash taken out of their paychecks every single month.

  • nighttrain2010 Jan 29, 4:59 p.m.

    >>When you move to a consumption-based system, it could potentially be as complex, at the end of the day, as the current system we have," he said.

    No it isn't Thom. Taxed on what you consume instead of taxing one for producing. Not difficult at all. If it doesn't cover all the expenses however, perhaps you should look at cutting spending as well

  • Tony Snark Jan 29, 4:50 p.m.

    "Yeah, because Texas is doing so terribly with their budget SURPLUS.
    sonicbluezx3"

    Half of their revenue comes from Federal Funds.

  • mep Jan 29, 4:32 p.m.

    "let's see what happens as we follow Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi down the rabbit hole of republican rule."

    Yeah, because Texas is doing so terribly with their budget SURPLUS.
    sonicbluezx3

    You forgot to mention... Texas has lower unemployment, and a tax surplus..... AND NO STATE INCOME TAX!

    Sales taxes are FAIR TAXES. Regardless of your income, your race, your creed, your religion, or even your dogs name... you pay the same as everyone else. The more you buy, the more you pay. People are suppose to be EQUAL in the eyes of the law... and taxes are made through law. Taxes fund govt operations, not act as some form of wealth redistribution or social justice system.

  • corey3rd2 Jan 29, 4:26 p.m.

    Rich people will smartly buy their high priced items in South Carolina and Virginia. This way they can get all the benefits of living in NC while saving quite a few pennies. Expect to see even more businesses setting up shop on the other side of the border from Charlotte.

  • sonicbluezx3 Jan 29, 4:21 p.m.

    "let's see what happens as we follow Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi down the rabbit hole of republican rule."

    Yeah, because Texas is doing so terribly with their budget SURPLUS.

  • rocket Jan 29, 4:12 p.m.

    "And who dictates the job description? The employer."

    And who forces employees to do the job? Nobody. If the market decides the rate is too low for the job required, the employer will be forced to raise the rate.

  • dwntwnboy2 Jan 29, 4:12 p.m.

    All these folks crying about democrats in control of NC for the last 100 years. We became one of the leading states in the nation in job growth, quality of life, affordable colleges and many other things. Seems the Dems had a pretty good run of things....let's see what happens as we follow Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi down the rabbit hole of republican rule.

  • rocket Jan 29, 4:10 p.m.

    "Do the math, someone earning $100K a year would have $90K left over whereas someone earning $10K would only have $9K left over. That doesn't seem fair at all."

    Not fair to who? The person that paid ten times as much to the government? Even if the person making $100K paid a 89% rate and the person making $10K paid nothing, the person making $100K would still have more left over. Is that still unfair to you?

  • dwntwnboy2 Jan 29, 4:10 p.m.

    "It’s simple math that the left just doesn’t understand"- we understand that the taxes on food and other NEEDED items will go up by 400% from 2% to 8%. While those at the top won't even notice this, those of us who scrape by each month are going to notice that we can't afford the things we used to because basically we are getting a pay cut due to taxes, and taxes on services that we never had to pay before to begin with. It's a horrible idea- raising taxes on food is just wrong! Raise taxes on luxury items- high end cars, expensive houses, fur coats etc. I know if this passes, I'll do a LOT more shopping online for the 8% savings alone.

  • carolinarox Jan 29, 4:10 p.m.

    Morrigan - I said nothing about Obamacare. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

  • carolinarox Jan 29, 4:08 p.m.

    lasm, the ones that are complaining about this are the uninformed population that don’t read or understand the plan. They don’t understand that going to be sale tax model taxes everyone in the state. That includes illegals and tourist. That increases the tax base, which means more revenue. It’s simple math that the left just doesn’t understand. They are too busy with class warfare and jacking up the national debt.

    When has everyone paying higher taxes become the mantra for the right? We already have a sales tax that illegals and tourists pay. Just because someone doesn't agree with you is no reason to call them ignorant. I am well informed of the plan and I am good at math. I have never taken a handout from the government (aside from tax deductions) and I don't really care there are people out there that make tons more money than I do. Why do the wealthy cry class warfare whenever their already very low taxes are even considered for increase. I also agree with Art Pope which s

  • Mon Account Jan 29, 4:06 p.m.

    "Ah, the liberals are up in arms over common sense ideas and innovations. The sky is falling! LOL." - Paladin2

    I'll bite. Scratch the surface and you'll see the tax burden shift away from the rich and onto the poor... Is that the common sense you mean? That it's a bad idea?

  • hppyhourhero Jan 29, 4:03 p.m.

    Where are the jobs?

  • carolinarox Jan 29, 4:01 p.m.

    Under democrat control we had one of the worst employment rates in the country. We now have responsible people running the state. It is funny to see the liberals scramble. In their joy over Obama's win they forgot that their state, 29 other states and the House of Representatives are controlled by Republicans. Pirate01

    Democratic House candidated received about a million more votes than the Republicans did. The Republicans remained in power only because they drew the maps of the gerrymandered districts.

  • goldenosprey Jan 29, 4:00 p.m.

    "I hate to have to tell you this, IT WORKS wonderously in Texas. Texas is a way much better run state than NC."

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Lord have mercy! Tell me you are being sarcastic!

    Not that NC isn't fixin to give TX and MS a run for their money. :(

  • Plenty Coups Jan 29, 3:58 p.m.

    prodigal-"Not dismissing it out-of-hand, but I have some serious misgivings about saddling the poor and elderly with more expense. We seem to be losing our compassion for those less-fortunate."

    Conservatives don't. It's a kind of reverse robin hood ideology. Blame everything bad on the poor and middle class, constantly call them "takers" or the 47%, and insist they pay more so that the rich can pay less in taxes.

  • Plenty Coups Jan 29, 3:55 p.m.

    Pirate-"Under democrat control we had one of the worst employment rates in the country. We now have responsible people running the state."

    We still do and republicans have dominated the government the last two years if you want to go down that road. But of course, you leave that part out.

  • wrk5429 Jan 29, 3:54 p.m.

    A wonderful thing about a consumption tax is that all of those people who have been cheating on their tax returns, people who get paid under the table with no taxes withheld, people who make their money illegally, and all of the illegal immigrants who pay no income tax would no be forced to pay their fare share every time they purchase something. I am sure every person in one of these categories will complain very loudly about a consumption tax.

  • thayerguy Jan 29, 3:54 p.m.

    "Tillis may as well do as much as he can now... the GOP will lose control in 4 years."
    OleNCNative

    BINGO!

  • Terkel Jan 29, 3:53 p.m.

    "How is taxing people more fair than taxing their income?"

    I hate 0bamacare too.

  • Terkel Jan 29, 3:52 p.m.

    I suspect the libs don't want a sales tax because it would prove how many illegals there are in NC.

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