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  • tigo7 Jan 31, 7:23 a.m.

    i think the entire education system needs to be redesigned. I hope if this is accomplished there is greater ease in taking classes tied to other degree tracks. I hope one day a liberal arts degree could be a degree that a student could design on their own based on a formula that includes basic classes but could include expansion into other fields linked to the students' interests. There is a great deal of regulation in the professional tracks that need review that would broaden the graduates' knowledge base. Swimming is a great idea for everyone and should be accomplished by the time of high school graduation on pass/fail and can be taught ofter school/private sector. More should be taught between grades 1 - 12 and college should be a time of intensive study from the beginning and the courses taught the first 2 years that are required should really be taught in high school. Perhaps we need more professionals available to help guide students through the course selection process.

  • rebelbelle Jan 30, 6:30 p.m.

    Actually, I've wondered for some time about some of the "majors" taxpayers are funding and how they will lead to any kind of job. African-American studies may be most interesting, but what do you do with that major when you're going out to get a job? This is not a retorical question--I really don't know what that major would prepare you to do in the world of work (other than teaching African-American studies).

    On a similar note, I wonder if we should not stop pretending that the football/basketball players are "student-athletes" and just allow the NFL and NBA to fund ALL of the cost of those programs as "minor leagues" similar to the minor leagues in baseball.

  • Pirate01 Jan 30, 2:57 p.m.

    Finally some common sense out of Raleigh. Taxpayers should no longer be subsidizing useless programs in these money pit Universities. Especially since we are seeing these "majors" were mostly being used to keep athletes able to play at unc-ch. This money saved at the University level would be better served in the public or community college system.

  • Bartmeister Jan 30, 2:44 p.m.

    Did NC make a mistake in voting him in for governor?

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    Way too soon to tell. That is a question that might be able to be answered in 6 to 8 months.

  • Bartmeister Jan 30, 2:41 p.m.

    Actually, you are wrong. 100% wrong. The NC constitution most certainly does list education as a right and requires the state to fund it. I believe every other state has similar clauses in their constitutions. bill0

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    It may very well be and should be a State issue, however comparing these issues is pointless. The US Bill of Rights specifically addresses the right to arms, nothing on Education, with the exception to the Second Bill of Rights that FDR proposed should happen.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 30, 2:19 p.m.

    He is already sounding like Bev

    You are absolutely right. Did NC make a mistake in voting him in for governor?

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 30, 2:11 p.m.

    I had thought McCrory would make a good governor; but I am slowing seeing that I was wrong. Did not vote for him, but I expected him to do right for the NC people. Already he is giving out raises. Is he another Purdue? Lord, help us and I certainly hope not. Keep your eyes on him, he slowly messing up.

  • Mon Account Jan 30, 1:25 p.m.

    Choice? When you choose a major you have to take certain classes and pick from accepted electives. There are very few choices and if you have look lately weight lifting, swimming really don't pertain to the Science major my son just had. Only added dollars to the cost of getting that degree. And before you jump on the fact swimming is important and can save your life bla, bla or being healthy is important bla bla. He was an athlete in college and could swim like a fish.
    TiminNCisBack

    Once you hit 12 credit hours, the price stops increasing. That's why people take a range from easy to harder classes to hit over 12 hours. Adding a "blah blah blah" course after 12 doesn't add to the tuition cost. The fact he could swim like a fish ensured it increased his GPA without increasing the cost.

  • superman Jan 30, 1:10 p.m.

    He is already sounding like Bev. Maybe he should stayed after class for extra help.

  • bill0 Jan 30, 1:10 p.m.

    "Why the comparison? From a quick glance, one issue is protected by the Bill of Rights and the other isn't. Although it is a moral obligation to educate, I didn't see it was a protected right. Could be wrong, or you could just be sideways.............AGAIN."

    Actually, you are wrong. 100% wrong. The NC constitution most certainly does list education as a right and requires the state to fund it. I believe every other state has similar clauses in their constitutions.

  • rushbot Jan 30, 12:42 p.m.

    This is of course a load of hooey..other than some of the 2 year tech degrees or some of the 4 year degrees such as nursing you can't measure success by hiring. How would you force a grad to tell you what job they do or do not have..having said that, I would love for Art Pope to spend ALL of his time for the next 4 years trying to develop the metric for this results based evaluation plan.

  • TiminNCisBack Jan 30, 12:38 p.m.

    "Goodbye to educational freedom of choice and a well rounded education"

    Choice? When you choose a major you have to take certain classes and pick from accepted electives. There are very few choices and if you have look lately weight lifting, swimming really don't pertain to the Science major my son just had. Only added dollars to the cost of getting that degree. And before you jump on the fact swimming is important and can save your life bla, bla or being healthy is important bla bla. He was an athlete in college and could swim like a fish.

  • handbasket Jan 30, 12:30 p.m.

    GREAT IDEA GOVERNOR MCCRORY!!

  • tonypluchino Jan 30, 12:13 p.m.

    the end-game of all education, be it, high school, an undergraduate degree or an advanced degree is a job. At some point after your initial education has been completed, you have to get paid for what you have learned. As a teacher, I tell my students if you fail here at school, you will likely fail at life. I like the idea of measuring the success of an educational institution by seeing how well it's customers are placed and progressing in the life of work, but it shouldn't be the only measure of success.

  • mtnmama Jan 30, 12:13 p.m.

    What an idiotic concept. From an idiotic mind. So now McCroy is trying to dictate what fields of study we major in? Will he next issue an executive order banning the arts? Sheesh! One & done, people, one & done! Cut already too low unemployment benefits to folks who really hurting, then give your buddies...er, uh....cabinet cronies a hefty raise....bad enough.. but say it's so he can attract top talent? Who does he have to attract? They're already hired! Sheesh! The fleecing of NC....or a feeble attempt....hopefully, his motives are transparent enough that even the simplest voters can see through his thinly veiled devices. One & done, people, PLEASE.

  • beachbum1 Jan 30, 11:56 a.m.

    lol is he serious? This is the dumbest thing yet...looks like it all goes hand in hand with those that have the money for expensive schools with big names (you know the privileged and wealthy). So yes the rich kids get richer because they come from money and they get the jobs. This idea just helps keep them all in the upper class. So a company will recruit from these colleges before looking at East Jesus University kids.

  • Bartmeister Jan 30, 11:09 a.m.

    There are a lot of kids being passed to the next grade when they can't read, do any kind of math or anything else

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    I disagree. I see the EOC exams and others for my kids. I don't believe a kid is "passed" through the grades just to get rid of them anymore. Some may "get" through, but not on purpose because of the school system, at least in WCPSS. Just my opinion. Hope I'm correct.

  • Bartmeister Jan 30, 11:06 a.m.

    Government gun control - BAD! Government education control - GOOD! The hypocrisy and ignorance that has taken over the REPUBLICAN party in the 21st century is absolutely staggering.
    geosol

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    Why the comparison? From a quick glance, one issue is protected by the Bill of Rights and the other isn't. Although it is a moral obligation to educate, I didn't see it was a protected right. Could be wrong, or you could just be sideways.............AGAIN.

  • driverkid3 Jan 30, 10:05 a.m.

    This should be done with K-12 too. There are a lot of kids being passed to the next grade when they can't read, do any kind of math or anything else. Then, somehow, they get into college where they are at a loss as to how to get through it.

  • seemomster Jan 30, 10:04 a.m.

    Ugh. Just noticed I failed to include an apostrophe. That SHOULD read: "My anecdotal evidence trumps Governor Mcrory's!" My apologies for my failure to punctuate properly. (Note to self--proof-read!)

  • Terkel Jan 30, 9:51 a.m.

    "...not attempting to punish higher education schools that don't control world economies." gopack

    It's true the schools don't control the economy. But they're not much different from the banks that wrote loans for people they knew couldn't repay them. Some degrees will not lead to a job and that's fine, as long as everyone knows that going in. Some kids are not college material right now; some never will be, and it's not just a question of IQ. But the colleges admit them and take their money.

    With 0 doing his best to shift individually-chosen debt to all taxpayers, ("we" must make college "affordable"...must not "disenfranchise" anyone) we do have the right to say how it's spent. Especially in this economy, when incurring debt makes about as much sense as having babies.

  • teleman60 Jan 30, 9:44 a.m.

    "As far as finding uneducated employees, there is a great supply. Master Obama has seen to that by opening the borders and putting out the welcome sign for illegals."

    Actually, the past 4 years has seen the HIGHEST SECURITY AND BORDER ARRESTS in the last 20 YEARS but rightwing radio will never report the truth if it conflicts with their delusions.

  • seemomster Jan 30, 9:36 a.m.

    Everyone I know who graduated with a degree in philosophy or the classics is employed. ALL of them are making over six figures. Every. single. person. The folks I know in the IT/engineering business? Not so much. Several of them are among the long-term unemployed. Sometimes specialized education bites one in the backside.

    My anecdotal evidence trumps Governor McCrorys! (Actually, anecdotal evidence is no way to make a cogent argument... but, hey, why let logic get in the way?)

  • lessismore Jan 30, 9:23 a.m.

    geosol.... why is there always so much hostility in your posts?

  • lessismore Jan 30, 9:22 a.m.

    Maybe teachers should have to pass the same exams and tests they expect their students to pass.

  • jurydoc Jan 30, 9:13 a.m.

    The thought that community colleges that do SO much MORE than technical education (basic skills, GED, Adult High School, Continuing Education, etc.) should be judged and, worse yet, funded based on a single outcome measure shows how little this new administration understands the mission of community colleges in this state. It is pitiful that he has gone so far as to direct his staff to DRAFT LEGISLATION!!! with so little knowledge and/or input from the people who DO know and understand. Legislation for performance-based funding for community colleges is already on the books and it is a much better model than basing it on a single outcome largely out of the control of the community colleges -- job placement. And this is on top of the fact that there is no viable methodology for calculating job placement. This shooting from the hip without adequate knowledge does not bode well for our state.

  • amdriver12 Jan 30, 9:07 a.m.

    "Where did you see that? Are you one of the "if I have to pay for it myself, I'm denied access" libs? Colleges can teach and "focus on" whatever they want. They just can't charge me for their decisions. It's called "accountability"" Morrigan
    You obviously didn't understand what I wrote. If McCrory forces universities to focus on the job placement of their graduates, rather than an overall education, how are universities supposed to look at students who know they are going or want to go directly into a graduate degree program rather than the workforce? As someone applying for grad programs, you need a different set of 'skills' to get into a grad program than to get into a job upon graduation.

  • jurydoc Jan 30, 9:07 a.m.

    It's a shame that our current governor is so woefully out of touch with the community college system's efforts to tie funding to performance on a much broader base than simply "but ts getting jobs." All he has to do is take look here: http://www.successnc.org/initiatives/performance-measures-funding?utm_source=SuccessNC+Newsletter+Issue+%233+Jan+2013&utm_campaign=SuccessNC+eNews&utm_medium=email

  • ikafue Jan 30, 9:00 a.m.

    Government education is such a joke they even make fun of it on govt radio.

    "English majors, where is the money
    Go ahead, make a demand
    English is a beautiful language
    Don't accept less than a hundred grand."

    http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2013/01/19/scripts/english.shtml

    They did this show at ASU.

  • hp277 Jan 30, 8:58 a.m.

    I really don't think unemployment among UNC grads is a huge problem.

    The issue that the governor should look at is getting more grads in math and science fields that NC companies have to fill with foreign workers due to a lack of qualified US workers.

  • gopack1999 Jan 30, 8:57 a.m.

    There are some really disturbing comments here. The truth is, that regardless of the degree, college educated people have far and away the lowest unemployment rate. The people with only high school diplomas or with no high school diplomas are the ones struggling to find work at a much higher rate. That should be the focus and not attempting to punish higher education schools that don't control world economies.

  • aetius476 Jan 30, 8:54 a.m.

    "Yes, because corporations are always complaining about how hard it is to find uneducated employees." - xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    No, they complain about finding qualified employees with a useful education. There are only so many jobs in private industry for 18th Century African Study majors....

    As far as finding uneducated employees, there is a great supply. Master Obama has seen to that by opening the borders and putting out the welcome sign for illegals.

  • teleman60 Jan 30, 8:52 a.m.

    The problem when I worked at NC State was that all the students are from India, China, Japan, Korea and that area. There is NO REAL POPULATION of native students with enough brains to be engineers.
    This is America where we raise basketball players and iPhone buyers while we educate foreign students because they are here for an education not to party on daddies money.

  • aetius476 Jan 30, 8:50 a.m.

    "And we DON'T need the GOVERNMENT telling us what to study for a career, do we wingers?" - geosol

    Even if they are paying for it? You can't have it both ways. You want government (taxpayers) to pay for your education, but don't want them to have any say in what type of eduction they are paying for.

    You want to study Roman Poetry, Haiku or Swahili? Go to a private school and pay for it yourself! The taxpayers deserve to get some VALUE for their investment.

    The well is not bottomless little leftist one....

  • zanerx Jan 30, 8:47 a.m.

    Finally! A way to ignore all of the medical, scientific, historical, etc. research and work done at our public universities!

    Thomas Jefferson would sure be proud of our Gov. Pat.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx Jan 30, 8:44 a.m.

    "It is amazing that the counties with the lowest unemployment rates are the ones with the highest percentage of college and advanced degrees."

    Not really all that amazing - just common sense.

  • aetius476 Jan 30, 8:41 a.m.

    "Stop trying to limit higher eduction with your conservative ideals." - boachieee

    But we still have to pay for it right? Shut up and send a check.

    Amazing the edutocracy's arrogance and contempt for the working taxpayers of the state...

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx Jan 30, 8:41 a.m.

    "This is just an excuse to remove funding from education. Corporations will loooove this."

    Yes, because corporations are always complaining about how hard it is to find uneducated employees.

  • MadMaxx Jan 30, 8:39 a.m.

    Well lets all be artists so we can live in Art communities provided by the city of Raleigh, get welfare from Obama and sing Kumbaya and be happy. Get a life folks, get an education so you can grow up to support the Democratic party and their constituents as they will need every TAX dollar they get their hands on to keep the entitlements going to the sorry that refuse to work.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx Jan 30, 8:38 a.m.

    "I will not pay for my children to go to college for a degree that's worthless towards their future regardless of any pleas of how happy it would make them. The world doesn't need many more starving artists."

    How nice for them. The advice columnists have letters all the time from children whose parents force them into degrees that they don't want.

  • one_nc_citizen Jan 30, 8:37 a.m.

    "I love the arcane myth that people can be taught to THINK. They can not be taught to THINK."

    Of course not. All humans think. Your premise is faulty. However, you can teach people to think critically. People do it every day. And people have been doing it for a long time. Ever heard of the "Socratic method"?

  • teleman60 Jan 30, 8:37 a.m.

    We saw how massive tax cuts and deregulation worked from 2001-2008. It gave us a Depression that keeps on giving!

    We'll see how things look when the state is completely bankrupt after eliminating income tax. How much groceries and haircuts will it take to replace tax on EVEN ONE 6 figure income?

    We'll also see how all the universities and colleges take to being funded based on placement.

    These ideas sound more like they're from grade schoolers which is about the speed for McCrory and the rightwing billionaires who bought the state!

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx Jan 30, 8:33 a.m.

    "There aren't enough students graduating in engineering fields to fill positions in the area. NC companies are having to hire out of state graduates."

    So what? What's so noble about hiring in-state grads? Shouldn't employers simply be looking for the best qualified candidates? And how many of the in-state grads are looking elsewhere for jobs? That's how it works - people in this country move around a lot for any number of reasons.

  • pelosi-rulz Jan 30, 8:31 a.m.

    Omg what? You mean we finally have a politician that won't just blindly throw money to teachers?

    Holy cow we have a winner :)

  • one_nc_citizen Jan 30, 8:27 a.m.

    "There aren't enough students graduating in engineering fields to fill positions in the area. NC companies are having to hire out of state graduates."

    The problem is, how can you force some one to be an engineer if they don't want to be an engineer. This isn't China.

  • wildpig777 Jan 30, 8:25 a.m.

    I guess Art Pope and the Koch Bros gave McCrory permission to say that. Must be in the scheme to destroy North Carolina.- jack

    you cant destroy whats already broken--- now folks can see what the resutls are when 1 political party runs the state for 120 yrs...

  • mep Jan 30, 8:03 a.m.

    "Personally... I like where McCrory is going with this idea.... and eliminating the sales tax.... a fair taxation BONUS!"

    I thought he wanted to eliminate the income tax and increase sales taxes
    one_nc_citizen

    Correct..... I meant income tax.

  • birkie74693 Jan 30, 7:46 a.m.

    whatelseisnew: "myth that people can be taught to THINK. They can not be taught to THINK. They either do or they do not."

    People CAN be taught to think, it happens every day. It's the whole PURPOSE of an education. The fact that you don't recognize that shows clearly that it's just right-wing Goobers and Gomers who can't be taught to think. People this clueless really shouldn't have any voice in public policy. Being too brain-dead to understand reality does NOT make your position accurate--you're just too hopeless to understand how hopeless you are.

  • jackjones2nc Jan 30, 6:49 a.m.

    I guess Art Pope and the Koch Bros gave McCrory permission to say that. Must be in the scheme to destroy North Carolina.

  • oleguy Jan 30, 6:44 a.m.

    I was a widget maker,, did live in a mobile home and drank well water,, Whats your point,, Graduated from 3 Community Colleges, 3 different fields Electronics , Machinists and mgmt, military.
    I made things, Fixed things,,and never had to look a job,, Did not mind working for over 50 years, Now send me my check

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