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  • Sherlock Jan 28, 2013

    What about homeless individuals, why not have this for them.?

  • NCAries Jan 28, 2013

    @freedomrings

    Absolutely right.

  • CraftyMo Jan 28, 2013

    I am great with paper mache and coloring books. Think I can get subsidized housing? Who will be the ones to determine what type/style of artists they allow? I agree with others views that I don't want my tax dollars to go to a group that some politically motivated people decide who is a worthy artisit. If they are skilled artists then why the housing anyway? Are they going to fill up the place with mediocre at best artists? The whole thing is elitist and discriminatory. If a bunch of wealthy art supporters want to reward struggling artists and are willing to break out their checkbooks to foot the bill, fine. If not the City of Raleigh needs to look at scrapping this idea. Btw who the heck came up with this stupid idea anyway?

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 28, 2013

    More socialism from the City of Raleigh.

    Why should they be subsidizing housing for Artists.

    I work and pay for my home, why should my taxes be paying for housing for people who went into careers that pay very poorly if at all.

  • birkie74693 Jan 28, 2013

    Help ARTISTS?!?

    As my pal Ebenezer always said, are there no poorhouses?

    No, the thing to do is take away their Birkenstocks and patchouli, make them get haircuts, give them cheap manmade-fabric clothes, and put them to work in cubicles or behind cash registers. They'll soon grow gray and die of sadness. And then we conservatives can enjoy PRIVATELY funded art--like Nascar races, professional wrestling, girlie calendars, and loudmouthed bigots with talk-radio shows. That's the kind of America we want, dagnabbit!

  • SARCASTICLES Jan 25, 2013

    Sounds like a job for Charlie Chan, Dave.......

  • SARCASTICLES Jan 25, 2013

    It's probably more "Elitist Raleigh priorities". The words that end in "ist" are considered the most sinister and insidious, according to the best far-right "thinkers" on AM talk radio.

    The proper (and most fear-inducing) form would be to say "Liberalist Socialist Elitist Communist Leftist Environmentalist Statist Marxist Propagandist Fascist" Raleigh priorities.

    Of course, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but The Center for Conservative Studies has successfully utilized this terminology to frighten their target audience out of their dull wits, and part them with their money.

    Who says America ain't the land of opportunity?

  • miseem Jan 25, 2013

    Might be forward thinking, might be a waste of money. Lots of areas have been boosted by investment like this. Some haven't. One thing Raleigh need to do is improve livability in the downtown area.

  • davidvanwagener Jan 25, 2013

    "The angry little right wingers just don't seem to realize that not everyone is as full of fear, hate, ignorance, and greed as they are. Some people really enjoy the arts and recognize their value to a civilized society. This idea will pay dividends for Raleigh now and especially in the future." - Geosol

    Geosol - your 'angry little right wingers' are not disparaging the arts, but we don't think it's the government's job to pay for it. This is a complete waste of money that will produce little in the way of artistic merit and is just a means to throw money at people whose have chosen to live at the public trough. Who chooses these artists? What will they be creating? Anybody else like to know the answers to the questions before we waste the money?

  • djofraleigh Jan 25, 2013

    shouldn't the resources be focused on the many homeless on the streets of Raleigh? That would be a good shelter location. Like the million dollar walking bridge from rich inner beltline over the beltline to the art museum (half paid by city) goes up while poor pedestrians still trek across the beltline at New Bern & Rock Quarry walk without sidewalks on two foot borders to the streets. This is liberal Raleigh priorities, or is it elitist Raleigh priorities? The trek over crabtree creek and I-440 on New Bern is truly beyond scary and dangerous.

  • gmarcum Jan 25, 2013

    Entitlement nation.

  • FlagWavingFascistCrank Jan 25, 2013

    All this accomplishes is that REAL American job creators like me have to watch as more of MY taxes pay for these socialist elitist communist artist's housing expenses.

    Some of these liberal losers work for me, and they always want to leave on time everyday so they can go to their OTHER jobs.

    How ungrateful can they be? I pay at least the minimum wage, but they have the audacity to claim they can't live on what I pay them...It looks like I'll have to fire some of them now, since my higher taxes now go to subsidizing the roof over their heads PLUS what it costs me for Obamacare!

  • tayled Jan 25, 2013

    OK, This is a good thing. Now do the same thing for our mentally handicapped.

  • TVs_Deceit Jan 25, 2013

    welfare "cultures remembered celebrated artists. Your celebrating firemen over artists goes over well in Coratia, or Somalia" -- "Real artists go for it."

    Good job of defining what's wrong with society. People who really deserve being celebrities like firemen aren't worth your time of day, but you'll fawn over anyone whose self-description is "artist". Don't forget to grovel at the feet of the latest Hollywood star too. I'm a musician and artist too, but I have enough self-respect and humility to not think just because I am it makes me more valuable than a fireman, and that my presence in your life is so important that you should pay for my housing. Appreciating art does not equate to expecting others should pay for it, that's your job as a consumer of the service. Non-trustfund artists have to work to support their art, you can't just "go for it" w/o food

    And guess what. It doesn't qualify as "going for it" when you expect someone else to fund your lifestyle with subsidized housing.

  • welfarequeen Jan 25, 2013

    I'm a prolific artist of over 200+ canvases, many 6-8 foot, but very difficult to sell in a poor economy. I have a "real" job to be able to keep my artistic skills. keymania

    Sounds like you really haven't made a commitment to you art if you are working a day job. Real artists go for it.

  • waylam1 Jan 25, 2013

    You have got to be kidding.If you can't support yourself get a job.Or in a lot of cases let the state(goverment)support you so you can paint some more.

  • welfarequeen Jan 25, 2013

    I'm a musician. I won't be quitting my day job to pursue a music career unless you're willing to support me financially. Put your money where you mouth is. barfly

    humming through tissue paper and a comb doesn't really count Sugar.

  • keymania Jan 25, 2013

    There's a fine line between "professional" and "hobbyist" artists. It's the sale. I'm a prolific artist of over 200+ canvases, many 6-8 foot, but very difficult to sell in a poor economy. I have a "real" job to be able to keep my artistic skills. I can't imagine this is going to be "luxury apartments."

  • beachlvr0804 Jan 25, 2013

    So, why should artists be any different than any other citizen? I agree with other posters......they need to get a job while pursuing their passion. Passion doesn't pay the bill. Giving them this handout will not foster anything within themselves to do better.

  • twoods7 Jan 25, 2013

    Cool, I'm gonna be an artist; free housing baby! I'm gonna be in the FSA!

  • beachlvr0804 Jan 25, 2013

    jscbr
    Sorry to hear that the city took this from your family. It's sad that they can have the power to do what they want when they want regardless of the history behind it. I'm sure your family did everything required while owning the property, i.e., tax, upkeep, etc. Doing what we're supposed to doesn't matter to the city when it's something they want. They will walk all over anyone at anytime to satisfy their greed.

  • Barfly Jan 25, 2013

    "You see, it is really not all that hard to be supportive of the arts, and I am more that happy to have tax money help make sure that artists can live good lives among us. You should try it." welfarequeen

    I'm a musician. I won't be quitting my day job to pursue a music career unless you're willing to support me financially. Put your money where you mouth is.

  • jscbr Jan 25, 2013

    It's nice to see they are doing something with this property. The city took it from my family 10 years ago and hasn't done anything with it since except let it decay. Closed a locally owned business (30+ years) and kicked out the owner of 20+ years. And the City only paid less than 20% of its 2008 valuation ($2.4 million). Imminent domain is such a great deal for the city and developers!

  • photojournalist Jan 25, 2013

    ... most artists are low income residents.

  • Titus Pullo Jan 25, 2013

    Maybe they should get paying jobs.

  • cseanwatts Jan 25, 2013

    Wow, yet NC's 1600+ homeless vets still sleep in cars, among other places, this winter. *source- VA and 'long march home' web site.

  • TVs_Deceit Jan 25, 2013

    welfarequeen: "I am more that happy to have tax money help make sure that artists can live good lives among us."

    Well guess what, I'm NOT happy to have you reach into my pocket and take my money via higher taxes in order to subsidize your weekend plans. You don't have the RIGHT to make me pay higher taxes just so a specific profession can get special privileges.

    If your house catches fire are you going to call an artist? No, a fireman. So now who's more important and valuable? Who graces us with their presence so much that we should pay for their housing. The fireman? No? Not special enough? Not as important and valuable as an "artist"? Let's just get rid of all the firemen and cops and teachers because the artists are valuable enough to replace then all.

  • SaveEnergyMan Jan 25, 2013

    "Councilor Thomas Crowder...feels 'heartburn' over it and would rather have the project go through the traditional Request for Proposal (RFP) process to allow other affordable housing developers to bid on the property".

    There's the cost to the taxpayer, who should have heartburn over this too. A bid process insures the City gets the best deal financially. Why can't the Historic Preservation group submit to a bid process? - because they know they won't win it. You can't run a city on feelings; sometimes you have to look at numbers and facts too.

  • districtcadvocate Jan 25, 2013

    for he record this is a deal that is against most of the dedicated city staff best laid plans. vann joines is an opportunist that has found a soft heart with certain members of council. the normal dispostion of city property is to seek request for proposals but in this case this is a negotiated deal.

    i will say that the community is going to fight this deal with every tool available to them in both the rezoning that has to occur and with the north carolina housing finance agency.

    this part of the city as really most parts of the city need deals that will benefit the working people that can hardly make ends meet and not the out of town folks that have come in, like carpetbaggers, and take from the needy to give to the greedy.

  • TVs_Deceit Jan 25, 2013

    Atheist, so what you're saying by "blackball" is that they could violate the law that says that someone can't be denied if they're not an artist? You're suggesting they could find a way to cheat and break the law?

    And how about you reach into your own pocket to pay the rent for these "important" people that grace us by their mere presence instead of reaching into mine to do it? "Tax credits" is nothing but a way to say "not paying their fair share so the rest of us have to pay more".

  • JustAName Jan 25, 2013

    "Do they support themselves fully through artistic pursuits for the past 5 years?" - atheistswillrule

    Well, if they could support themselves through their art, why do they need to be subsidized?

  • JustAName Jan 25, 2013

    "Artspace only rents artists studio's for work, NOT living quarters AND they have a waiting list to even rent a space to work." - atheistswillrule

    Yes, I meant Artspace. Yes, I've been there. Yes, I know it is only for work and not living space. My point was, make it work and living space. That way the artist has to be good enough to pay for it, not mooch off of the tax payers.

    At some point, they have to acknowledge that they can't eat their art and do something that will pay for them to goof off the rest of the time.

  • welfarequeen Jan 25, 2013

    Be creative on your own dime. How creative is that for you? barfly

    Oh I support the arts enthusiastically baby! I go to DPAC for shows, I go to the NC Opera ( Wagner is coming up this weekend!). Next week I am going to do 1st Friday gallery crawl ( looking forward to the St.Lewis exhibit at Flanders Gallery). You see, it is really not all that hard to be supportive of the arts, and I am more that happy to have tax money help make sure that artists can live good lives among us. You should try it.

  • freedomrings Jan 25, 2013

    Oh pulleeease. How about affordable housing for hardworking families who don't use any government "benefits", but qualify for them, and work hard to keep family costs down so they don't have to use any?

  • atheistswillrule Jan 25, 2013

    Would someone have to prove they are an artist to live there? Could someone be rejected because their art was not good enough to even be considered an artist? Can: meet worms. sprice7

    It would be easy enough for artists with proven exhibition histories to measure up to the challenges of an entry interview. Have they been reviewed in respected arts publications? Are they in noted museum collections? Do they support themselves fully through artistic pursuits for the past 5 years? So yes, some Sunday afternoon daisy painter could be quickly and professionally blackballed and space made available for those who have made the arts a lifestyle.

  • Barfly Jan 25, 2013

    "Good for them for encouraging creativity. Not all people want a cubicle in RTP, a pocket protector and to spend all night playing "angry birds"." welfarequeen

    Be creative on your own dime. How creative is that for you?

  • pat7 Jan 25, 2013

    I BELONG TO THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ARTIST GROUP WILL THE LOCAL GOVEREMENT BUY MY AMMO FOR ME ,SO I CAN PAINT TARGETS

  • superman Jan 25, 2013

    How about affordable housing for everyone? Teachers, military, law enforment and how about the homeless. Dont we all need affordable housing? Raleigh needs to stay out of private enterprize. The last time I saw figures the "convention center" was still losing money. Maybe Raleigh should get the plans for the entertainment center they built in RR and build one just like it.

  • atheistswillrule Jan 25, 2013

    Let them rent a loft in Artsplosure that they can show their work and live. Good grief. justaname

    Artsplosure is an event, not a place. Perhaps in your ignorance you were thinking Artspace on Davie st.? Even then, your knowledge is less than admirable as Artspace only rents artists studio's for work, NOT living quarters AND they have a waiting list to even rent a space to work. I get the feeling that many of you have rarely if ever supported the artistic community, nor understand it's importance to our society. Sad, and quite telling.

  • snossg1 Jan 25, 2013

    Some people dont seem to reas the article before commenting....in the article is this sentnce

    By law, developers can’t require that the residents of the community be artists, but the apartments will be built to encourage those kinds of tenants.

  • pat7 Jan 25, 2013

    WHOS PAYING FOR THIS LOVELY GOVERMENT HAND OUT ,HARD WORKING PEOPLE

  • sprice7 Jan 25, 2013

    Would someone have to prove they are an artist to live there? Could someone be rejected because their art was not good enough to even be considered an artist? Can: meet worms.

  • lucubration007 Jan 25, 2013

    No bid contracts? Sounds Federal! Raleigh officials must be learning!

  • oleguy Jan 25, 2013

    A pocket protractor, Whats wrong wit dat. I fashion rusty metal into scrap,, I want an apartment. free

  • TVs_Deceit Jan 25, 2013

    Can you say "Discrimination"?

    Where's the "affordable" housing for the rest of the job classifications? Why do "artists" get special treatment over the rest of us?

    Who gets to decide who's an artist or not an artist?

    The selection process should be watched very carefully. By law they can't reject non-artists, yet will they find a way to reject those who they deem aren't?

    Do these people really think because something is designed to accommodate artistry that people who aren't artists wouldn't want to live somewhere with relatively much cheaper rent?

    Once again a certain interest finds a way to get the taxpayers to fund people who don't want to get a real job.

    Them not paying their fair tax burden via "tax credits" just means the rest of us have to pick up the slack. What a lousy system. Now you can qualify for welfare by being an "artist".

  • Offshore Jan 25, 2013

    Just another bad guy: "I consider fishing an art, and intend to live here."

    Hadn't thought of it that way, hmmm, flying tying and taxidermy is an art as well. Sign me up!!

  • Offshore Jan 25, 2013

    This just stinks of poor decision making on the part of the representatives of Raleigh. Decisions like this and then, because the city is short in the funds department, taxes go up. Great decision making folks. If an artist can't afford rent, thats their choice of profession, their problem.

  • Nancy Jan 25, 2013

    "What's considered "affordable" rent for an artist?"

    Don't know but for some reason it brings to mind the old saying "starving artists".

  • JustAName Jan 25, 2013

    Let them rent a loft in Artsplosure that they can show their work and live.

    Good grief.

  • readme Jan 25, 2013

    what does this mean "afforable housing"? Will the rent here be subsidized, or just cheap?

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