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fkhaywood Jan 25, 4:04 p.m.
I attended a 'hunter safety course' on this land (taught by Dan Adrews son) back in the earlier 1990's. The couse was set up to teach a Boy Scout Troop the proper use of shotguns. As the Committee Chairman of this Troop, I also took the course. The subdivions did not exist back then, only some house along Rawls Road. My son took the course and is now a hunter!
SARCASTICLES Jan 25, 3:53 p.m.
Well now, bronco611...we actually agree on your point that "It's amazing to me how this country has turned into a land where a handfull of complainers can ruin something beneficial for the majority"
Do us all a favor and send a copy of that to Mitch McConnell and John Boehner....they don't seem to realize the majority is being ruined by a handfull of complainers who lost the last election, and that their complaints are seriously exaggerated.
bronco611 Jan 25, 3:19 p.m.
"With all the complaints from the neighbors, I would just close it down... and put in 10 hog houses. Open a slaughter house and smoke house. Then give tours to all the FFA classes and 4-H clubs. See if the neighbors like what they can smell more than what they hear..." mj1angier
Good point! File that one in the "be careful what you ask for" category...
bronco611 Jan 25, 3:11 p.m.
It's amazing to me how this country has turned into a land where a handful of complainers can ruin something beneficial for the majority. While I'm sure the noise may irritate some "sensitive" neighbors, I believe a lot of these complaints are seriously exaggerated. The facility is run well, and the noise does not carry far enough to be a real concern. They have taken steps to keep any bullets from leaving the property by installing berms and by limiting the shot angles from the rifle tower. Drake's offer a PUBLIC SERVICE to hundreds if not thousands of gun owners who NEED a place to shoot (places that are getting harder and harder to find). Now, go figure - a few complainers want to shut it down. Don't let some of these reports mislead you if you haven't been there - Drake Landing is located way out in the country on hundreds of acres of wooded land. They could probably relocate to the moon and some bozo would move in next door and start complaining about the noise...
SARCASTICLES Jan 25, 2:30 p.m.
Thirty years ago around here, the population density was much lower than it is now, so shooting guns on your property was no big deal.
Now that a good chunk of the farmland has been developed into home sites and subdivisions, common sense SHOULD recognize that it's too crowded to shoot guns like we used to.
There's a good reason discharging a firearm in the city limits is usually illegal.....there's so many people living in a small area.
It's also extremely unnerving to hear continuous gunfire, especially when you're out in your yard. (YES...around here it's not unusual to hear shot raining down, or hear a stray bullet whizzing by. NO....asking them to stop doesn't work, and since it's legal out here, the sheriff's dept. can't do anything about it. YES....I was living here WAY before the firing squad moved in next door. NO....I'm not a socialist.
We'd rather not get together and lobby the county for new zoning restrictions against gunfire in the community, but enough is enough.
mj1angier Jan 25, 2:04 p.m.
With all the complaints from the neighbors, I would just close it down... and put in 10 hog houses. Open a slaughter house and smoke house. Then give tours to all the FFA classes and 4-H clubs. See if the neighbors like what they can smell more than what they hear...
moonpie Jan 25, 1:23 p.m.
How is a gun range 'agritourism"?
Not_Time_Yet Jan 25, 11:45 a.m.
Just because shots can be heard at a location that doesn't mean they are too loud. I doubt the noice decible level from the range is anywhere near that of a neighbors lawn mower, leaf blower, weed whacker, UPS delivery truck, etc,.. Sorry but in daytime hours no one can complain about every little noise.
That being said I would hope the range decides to upgrade the pitol pit and rifle range back stops which should resolve any question of safety. Make them higher and wider, plus provide some wood frame structure which would buffer the noise.
oleguy Jan 25, 11:43 a.m.
Noise,, They build an interstate just behind my house,,I hear cars and trucks 24 / 7 / 365.. And some gun fire..
lazydawg58 Jan 25, 11:35 a.m.
davisgw- One witness for DL was a retired Raleigh PD officer that operated the RPD range for several years. He was an expert on all things related to shooting ranges and testified that DL was as well configured and safe as the RPD range or any other he had been on. He went into detail about the concerns you noted and all were addressed in the DL setup.
As far as who was there first, Andrews Farm was there before any of the houses. Some of the housing developments were there before DL began operation and some came in later.
The gentleman that is the driving force in the group that is fighting to close DL is a large property owner with land bordering the Andrews Farm. This would be land that he might want to sell for a housing development. What might his true motive for leading this effort be, safety or land value? Always remember the first rule, follow the money.
jlyn67 Jan 25, 11:24 a.m.
I can understand the point of the noise and safety issues but my question is was the Shooting Range there when the houses were built or was it put is afterwards, if it was there first then the home owners should have checked the neighborhood before buying!
paddie Jan 25, 11:08 a.m.
There is a shooting range on the opposite side of Lillington from Drake's Landing. Many times it sounds like a war zone, even early on a Sunday morning. If the people operating these shooting ranges or whatever they want to call themselves showed some respect for their neighbors and made an effort to confine the noise to certain times of the day, maybe this would never have become an issue.
paddie Jan 25, 11:02 a.m.
Kermit60....the neighbors were there long before the shooting range.
novacrazy2000 Jan 25, 10:29 a.m.
fISHON -- I'm sorry I left that out . You are correct.
davisgw Jan 25, 10:11 a.m.
This is all local petty politics. AS for the noise issue there should be some specifics like how it registers on a decibel meter at specific distances (I mean like get scientific,not vague)most noise laws at some point in time have to pass this muster or the courts will throw them out as to broad. As for rifle and pistol ranges make sure the berms are of a sufficient height put range rules in place about where a loaded gun can be and limit how high the gun can be pointed when in the hot zone and have a range master on line at all times and if anyone breaks the rules ban them from the range.
kermit60 Jan 25, 10:03 a.m.
Who was there first? Drake Landing or the houses where the complaintents live. Is this a case like the airports? People move in or build near them them complain about the noise. What really concerns me is the concept of (if your not breaking a law, we will make one that you are).
Lightfoot3 Jan 25, 10:01 a.m.
"Rifles are what people hunt with. So they should be able to pactice with them." - novacrazy2000
True, but I'm not sure these kind of rifle and pistols ranges are typical farm and agriculture fixtures. I've hunted growing up and been on many farms. Didn't see any pistols pits or shooting towers. But I'd still like to know which specific Harnett County ordinance bans gun ranges. This range isn't in the city limits. How is it different than the average person shooting in their back yard, when it comes to ordinances?
FlagWavingFascistCrank Jan 25, 9:54 a.m.
This is outrageous! Harnett county can't shut this shooting range down according to the law, so they plan on changing the law so they CAN shut it down.
If all us patriots allow this tyranny, some political party will see how we don't fight back, and the next thing you know they'll change the rules so they can stay in power in spite of the fact that they don't get the majority vote....and THAT is TYRANNY!
DanB Jan 25, 9:50 a.m.
If the range was established before housing expansion, then they should be able to operate.
Safely learning/practicing how to use firearms properly, is what everyone would want.
This is likened to people who move into a neighborhood that is the flight path of an airport, then complaining about the planes' noise.
All of the politics aside, "what is the right thing to do"?
bubbba Jan 25, 9:33 a.m.
Hmmm. Could slow down growth around the area. Think I might move there.
fishon Jan 25, 9:06 a.m.
What do you think they hunt with BB guns? Rifles are what people hunt with. So they should be able to pactice with them.
We also hunt with pistols.
lazydawg58 Jan 25, 8:59 a.m.
The County commissioners will try to shut Drake Landing down any way they can. Two want to harm a former commissioner that opposed them in years past and one got voting into office in large part through the efforts of the group trying to shut down DL. If they have the authority to reclassify agritourism in the county they will do it. They present themselves as strong supporters of free enterprise, the second amendment, and transparency in government- until it doesn't fit their objectives or involves one of their enemies, then not so much.
rocket Jan 25, 8:55 a.m.
"First let me say I am definetly not against guns. We live about a mile from Drakes Landing, the gun fire does not come from them alone. We have fools who shoot off guns constently aound us, too close in some cases. There are homes, children very close to the fools, how do we stop them. Calling the sheriff does no good unless they hit someone or something. So what are we to do. People must be responsible for their actions, if not then they lose certain rights - period."
If they are shooting on their own land and not harming anyone or anything, they are not breaking any laws.
thisisme Jan 25, 8:48 a.m.
Are they not teaching proper gun control at Drakes Landing?? I would rather have the noise and know that people are learning proper use of a gun than have a bunch of people running around with guns they don't know how to use. Most of the time they are shooting during the day or early evening, so it isn't like they are out there at midnight keeping people awake.
I guess everyone has to have something to complain about.
novacrazy2000 Jan 25, 8:39 a.m.
Actually, this makes sense. Hunting and shooting on the farm did NOT involve rifle ranges and pistol pits, so I can see where this diverges from agritourism. Lightfoot3
What do you think they hunt with BB guns? Rifles are what people hunt with. So they should be able to pactice with them.
Lightfoot3 Jan 25, 8:33 a.m.
“Hunting preserves, continental tower shoots, archery shoots, sporting clays and skeet and trap shoots on the land all qualify as agritourism, the board agreed, but they were divided on the rifle shooting range and pistol pits” – article
Actually, this makes sense. Hunting and shooting on the farm did NOT involve rifle ranges and pistol pits, so I can see where this diverges from agritourism.
Can someone tell me the specific Harnett County ordinance that would ban the rifle and pistol ranges if not for the agritourism label?
Bartmeister Jan 25, 8:32 a.m.
Don't those people have more important things to think about?
kmengineer08 Jan 25, 8:26 a.m.
This is an absolute travesty. I can't believe that few people have managed to cause such an uproar. Those few should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I hope all their neighbors start target practice at all hours.
shadyladi7 Jan 25, 8:20 a.m.
First let me say I am definetly not against guns. We live about a mile from Drakes Landing, the gun fire does not come from them alone. We have fools who shoot off guns constently aound us, too close in some cases. There are homes, children very close to the fools, how do we stop them. Calling the sheriff does no good unless they hit someone or something. So what are we to do. People must be responsible for their actions, if not then they lose certain
rights - period.
Rebelyell55 Jan 25, 8:17 a.m.
Certainly glad they're not doing in Knee yanking reaction and study this more carefully. These changes could have negative effect on citizens in the future.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03