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  • foxtrot69 Jan 26, 12:44 p.m.

    Typical republican! Only interested in benefiting the rich and making life harder, if not altogether impossible, for the common citizen!

  • ncrph08 Jan 25, 5:59 p.m.

    I am also pretty sure that most lower income people do not buy their groceries from Whole Foods, etc. I doubt they buy more expensive organic groceries whereas the likelyhood of the upper class people buying those items is higher. I know before I graduated college, I ate what I could afford. Lots of chicken and hamburger and mac-n-cheese. If you can't afford to eat like a king, don't.

  • ncrph08 Jan 25, 5:44 p.m.

    No, they dont. Most lower to upper middle class people purchase the name brands. Most of us (so-called) rich folk purchase the less expensive items. What world do you live in? I will shop for the best bargin I can find in every case. All of my closest friends do the same. We live in modest homes, and also drive modest cars for the most part. stormtrooper76

    As I said, those in the lower-middle class will have to start living within their means. If that means start buying store brand groceries and such if they don't already do that then they will have to. I also search for the best bargains I can find and live in a modest home.

  • stormtrooper76 Jan 25, 4:54 p.m.

    This makes perfect sense to me. The richer buy more names brand item hence more expensive items, hence more sales tax.
    ncrph08

    No, they dont. Most lower to upper middle class people purchase the name brands. Most of us (so-called) rich folk purchase the less expensive items. What world do you live in? I will shop for the best bargin I can find in every case. All of my closest friends do the same. We live in modest homes, and also drive modest cars for the most part.

  • stormtrooper76 Jan 25, 4:48 p.m.

    Art Pope even states that this will shift the tax burden to the lower and middle class.

    Why cant some of you ideologs see it? Oh, I know why; because you refuse too......... You would rather push a failing agenda that doesnt work in the real world.

  • stormtrooper76 Jan 25, 4:43 p.m.

    A report from the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy says Laffer’s study relies on an economic analysis that is too methodologically flawed to even be useful, and Sirota said most mainstream economists now agree that the trickle-down theory doesn't work in real life.

    "It would be a serious concern if we make policies based on theories that in practice aren't working," she said.

    Laffer Firm Report = trash economics that doesnt work

  • ncrph08 Jan 25, 4:17 p.m.

    This makes perfect sense to me. The richer buy more names brand item hence more expensive items, hence more sales tax. The lower-middle class buy store brand items that cost lest hence less sales tax. How is this not fair? This also may help fix some of the fraud with food stamps. People may not be as quick to sell those food stamps to go get their hair/nails/car wheels done because they will actually need the amount they get each month to buy groceries! Isn't that a novel idea. It amazes me the amount of money on those EBT cards for a family of 4. I feed mind for a lot less than that! Lower-middle class will have to learn to live within their means. I don't understand what is so difficult about this.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 25, 12:06 p.m.

    All of you whining about the rich and voted for Barry because he would teach those evil ol rich people a lesson need to look at Barry's new choice for secretary of state. One of the richest men in politics who docked his boat outside his own state so he wouldnt have to pay taxes on it! But as usual its different when a rich liberal does it, right?

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 25, 12:02 p.m.

    Actually those are "reagan phones" because the program started under him and expanded to cell phones under W.
    Nope

    Remember that everytime you say Republicans don't care about the poor.

  • lessismore Jan 25, 12:00 p.m.

    Amazing, those on welfare want to write tax laws and decide who should pay for their livelihood.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 25, 11:56 a.m.

    I wouldnt expect the left to be for tax cuts, it takes away someone else's money for them to spend.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 25, 11:54 a.m.

    Right, so someone making $500,000 a year spends all of it just like someone making $25,000. Right.
    Nope

    No they dont spend it all but they do spend it on high ticket items which in turns provides income for other people that make those big ticket items, like boats for example. This idea that the rich hoard their money from you is ridiculous. They'll spend it if you make it worth their while too. But when youre trying to weasel them out of it, they will protect it, wouldnt you?

  • bill0 Jan 25, 11:37 a.m.

    " We KNOW who has the most money to spend and would be paying a higher tax. How and why would anyone call that a "tax CUT"?
    "

    It is a tax cut because the highest would be paying less in taxes. It should be that hard to understand. Yes, their sales tax would go up. At the same time, their income tax would go down. It depends on how much each of those go up or down to determine if it was a tax cut or a tax increase. People have run the numbers on where those break even points are. People in the 60-80% range for earners would break even. People in the bottom 60% would pay more in new sales tax than they would save from no income tax. People in the top 20% would save more in income tax then they pay in new sales tax.

    Hence - Top 20% = tax cut
    60-80% = no real change
    Bottom 60% = tax increase.

    Even Art Pope came out and stated as much earlier in the week.

  • Minarchist Jan 25, 11:33 a.m.

    I bet. McCrory doesnt want to tax those 8% rasies he handed out. Understandable. LOL

  • Nope Jan 25, 11:21 a.m.

    "The opposition is fullof it. The more you make, the more you spend, the more you taxes you pay. What's so hard to understand?
    justiceforal"

    Right, so someone making $500,000 a year spends all of it just like someone making $25,000. Right.

  • lasm Jan 25, 11:18 a.m.

    free2bme: "McCory just does what Art Pope says". "The top 20 % wealthiest receive tax cuts while the poor senior citizens get increases in taxes."

    Please pay attention to what the Gov. said and please do not distort his words. He said "We're looking at many different plans at this point in time, and then, after reviewing all the different plans, I'm going to try to make the best decision possible".

    And by the way, who do we think is spending more money, buying things that could be taxed higher (sales tax)-the rich or the poor? We KNOW who has the most money to spend and would be paying a higher tax. How and why would anyone call that a "tax CUT"?

  • Nope Jan 25, 11:17 a.m.

    "I'm tired of funding food stamps, Obama phones, and all the rest of the non-sense the Democrats keep coming up with.
    wilson321"

    Actually those are "reagan phones" because the program started under him and expanded to cell phones under W.

  • SARCASTICLES Jan 25, 11:16 a.m.

    "The nonsense the Democrats keep coming up with".....??

    The republicans are in a majority in NC state government now, when are you going to stop blaming Bev Perdue and the democrats?

    It's time for all you republicans to "Man up, put on your big-boy pants, and take responsibility for the problems you caused".......sound familiar?

  • Dukefan1 Jan 25, 11:12 a.m.

    "The disabled and the senior citizens pay no income tax currently."

    Oh yes they do pay income taxes. whatever gave you that idea?

  • sixnitepkg Jan 25, 11:12 a.m.

    I say increase or decrease state income taxes to match what federal taxes were under REPUBLICAN Dwight D. Eisenhower! don't like that GOP? then admit you truly are right wingnuts who wish to reimpose a feudal system and reinstitute serfdom and slavery

  • sixnitepkg Jan 25, 11:08 a.m.

    Everyone is looking for a way to hose the "rich". Do you not understand the rich spend more money than you do? Therefore, they would pay more sales taxes than you. Do you not also understand "the poor" would be paying their sales taxes with the "free money" you give them? So, how are the "poor" loosing?

    ummm... here's where you are wrong... it costs about the same to feed a family of 4... it does not make a difference if I made 60 thousand or 600 thousand... so NO the rich DO NOT spend more money (at least not on NEEDS ie. food, clothing and shelter. yes, they don't pay as much of their income on their precious McMansions. were I to make 600k/yr I would have to have a house payment of $12,000.00 per MONTH to equal my current cost of housing as a percentage of income(and you could buy one ridiculously huge house for 12,000 per mo.) YES, the rich do spend more... on LUXURIES that they can and should do without while soldiers are fighting and dying for our freedom

  • wilson321 Jan 25, 10:53 a.m.

    I think this is a wonderful idea. We'll pickup the underground economy, the illegals will be paying "their fair share" along with the rest of us. I just hope they don't punk out and start pulling some sort of exemption for the "so called low income." I'm tired of funding food stamps, Obama phones, and all the rest of the non-sense the Democrats keep coming up with.

  • justabumer Jan 25, 10:13 a.m.

    The sales tax is the only tax we have which is fair.

  • JustAName Jan 25, 10:09 a.m.

    "BTW wealthy lock away tax breaks in investments in government bonds." - unc70

    Maybe the government should stop borrowing money. And of course, we all know what happens when you invest in something. Well, okay, most people don't know.

  • goldenosprey Jan 25, 10:07 a.m.

    "I really would hate to see businesses along our border in South Carolina (a willfully ignorant state with terrible education) get a boost."

    Now we are just as willfully ignorant.

  • JustAName Jan 25, 10:06 a.m.

    "They dont have an income tax because they suck at the federal government teat." - Nope

    I'm all for ending ALL Federal government handouts. How about you?

  • me2you Jan 25, 10:03 a.m.

    Either way I see it, we're still gonna be taxed.

  • beef Jan 25, 10:00 a.m.

    Taxes in NC are far too high. I lived in FL for 20 years and it does a better job with the money they get.

  • bill0 Jan 25, 9:59 a.m.

    "So, do you not work? Because you do realize that you would have much more in your paycheck to offset the increase in sales tax."

    We don't really have to guess at how the numbers would work out. People have already run them for a variety of incomes. If you are in the bottom 60% of earners, your paycheck would go up less than you would end up paying in sales tax. That would be a net increase for you. For people in the top 20% of earners, your paycheck would go up more than you would pay in the sales tax, so you would pay less in taxes. People in the 60-80% range pretty much break even.

    The net effect would be a tax increase on the middle class and poor people. Upper middle class would break even. High earners would get a tax break. Overall, the tax burden shifts down to the poor and middle class. Everyone just needs to admit that mathematical reality up front and then we can debate whether that would be a more "fair" plan then we have now.

  • djofraleigh Jan 25, 9:58 a.m.

    WRAL used the worst of all McCrory pixs with this story! Pinched lips, little head there to whisper in his ear and a hint of colonial past in the picture.... what do you think?

  • djofraleigh Jan 25, 9:56 a.m.

    Before casting stones, remember it was Dem. Gov. Terry Sanford that gave us the food tax and the Dems had total control of the state for most of the past 100+ years and gave us the hard-on-the-poor system we have along with the partisan spending history.

    We need to protect the young, the poor, and the elderly -- those that are limited in choice or ability -- and that goes for both parties.

  • goldenosprey Jan 25, 9:54 a.m.

    It is difficult to argue the ethics, or lack thereof, of this regressive tax scheme which will cause seniors to eat cat food, with the rightwingers who absolutely WANT a peasant class to live in abject poverty. As Sanctimonious takers, these conservatives want to take from the workingman to pay for more of the state services they enjoy. They fly their moral bankruptcy like a flag. Let them bring the middle class to the verge of extinction- in four years we won't have to worry about republicans in the GA destroying the state anymore.

  • djofraleigh Jan 25, 9:48 a.m.

    NC should exempt at least the first $17,000 (minimum wage x 40hr/wk x 52wks) on everyone then raise taxes to generate the same revenue. There should NEVER be a tax on basic, unprepared foods such as raw veggies and meat, milk and fruits.

  • justiceforall Jan 25, 9:45 a.m.

    The opposition is fullof it. The more you make, the more you spend, the more you taxes you pay. What's so hard to understand?

  • FlagWavingFascistCrank Jan 25, 9:36 a.m.

    We finally have REAL leadership in Raleigh, for REAL Americans.
    It's about time us successful job creators got a tax break in NC, why shouldn't the working poor pay more in taxes than us?

    After 100 years of socialist liberals running the show, it's OUR turn to show 'em who's boss! Most of the people I created jobs for have two or three jobs, so why shouldn't they pay two or three times more in taxes than me?

  • beachlvr0804 Jan 25, 9:34 a.m.

    Couldn't believe Arrt Pope publically spoke against eliminating income tax after McCrory appointed him. While different views are healthy, I would think whomever he appointed would have been on the same page. Does this mean discourse within our own State government? Pope needs to remember that McCrory can "dis" appoint him just as easily as he appointed him.

  • unc70 Jan 25, 9:29 a.m.

    mep, miseem, rsmith, et al:

    I hardly know where to begin. the Florida sales/consumption tax is primarily on non-Florida income and savings, whether tourists or retirees - savings, SS, pensions or Medicare,Medicaid,VA from current workers in other states. No tourists in 1990, 2001 = no revenue. Boomers rejecting FL = big prob.

    Mep, how old are you? Security is an illusion. Your employer fails, pension and health insurance with it. Or a customer of the company you own goes Chapter 7 owing payroll taxes, your $500k A/R now worthless, but you still owe supplier $300k. Or your mother is rapidly failing, needs longterm care. Surprise, Medicare doesn't cover that, Medicaid does but liquidating other assets - family home, family business you operate she started jointly with your father, and her parent's farm. Instead you turn to your annuities and investments to find them managed by this year's "Bernie Maddoff".

    BTW wealthy lock away tax breaks in investments in government bonds.

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 25, 9:28 a.m.

    Everyone is looking for a way to hose the "rich". Do you not understand the rich spend more money than you do? Therefore, they would pay more sales taxes than you. Do you not also understand "the poor" would be paying their sales taxes with the "free money" you give them? So, how are the "poor" loosing?

  • rhess2 Jan 25, 9:18 a.m.

    Our new GOP Governor appears to be acting true to form for a Republican. Reform the State tax code that most benefits the constituents that put him and others Republicans in office. Don't be concerned about those that didn't and/or wouldn't vote Republican anyway. Here's a novel idea Governor McCrory try being Governor of all the citizens of North Carolina. Come up with a plan that will bring in revenue the State needs by not burdening any one group of individuals.

  • hp277 Jan 25, 8:58 a.m.

    Instead of completely doing away with the income tax, the legislature should free up most families and many small businesses from paying it by putting a higher exemption in place, such as the first $100,000 of income.

    This would relieve the majority of familes from paying the tax while retaining the progressive taxation of higher income individuals.

    Completely replacing the income tax with sales taxes shifts the overall tax burden to poor and middle class families and away from lawyers, doctors, and CEOs - that's not a wise choice with a struggling economy.

  • King of Ignorance Jan 25, 8:55 a.m.

    If the sales taxes get too high, small business on our border cities will get hit hard. For an example, look to Vancouver Washinton/Portland Oregon.

    I really would hate to see businesses along our border in South Carolina (a willfully ignorant state with terrible education) get a boost.

  • Bartmeister Jan 25, 8:48 a.m.

    I want the plan that saves me the most dollars in my pocket at the end of the day. Selfish? Probably. Ashamed of that? Not one bit. Would I be willing to give a little to help others? You betcha as long as I'm saving too. That's the difference from Barry's philosophy in that he wants me to help everyone else with no benefit to me. Nah...... Not wanting to help entitled. PERIOD.

  • SubwayScoundrel Jan 25, 8:47 a.m.

    Appears Pope and McCory are playing mind games with people. Popes darling Civitas presents a one sided skewed analysis on how this is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Pope says NO and McCory will look it over? Give me a break. Smoke and mirrors.

    If you want to establish a consumption tax, you do not implement on food. A family of 4 making avg NC income of $50K would spend a much higher percentage of their income on taxes than a family of 4 making $175Kplus.

    If you want a real consumption tax,, create a VAT tax but that is treason to the far right.

    Another ALEC /Think Tank driven idea to take the burden of running a state to the lower income. And if you make under $500K a year, that is you.

  • Rebelyell55 Jan 25, 8:45 a.m.

    No matter what tax system is used, the goverment will waste most of the money. That's why people claim, (rightfully so)that we have a spending issue, not a tax revenue problem.

  • Nope Jan 25, 8:23 a.m.

    In 2011 Texas had $76.9 billion in state taxes and $70.2 billion in federal funds. They dont have an income tax because they suck at the federal government teat.

  • sixnitepkg Jan 25, 8:20 a.m.

    I say do it - and watch people flip their wigs when they have to pay $10/gal for milk and $12/gal for gas... and then what will we do with all the starving children? funnel money through some twisted program that's even MORE wasteful like nearly all government programs? THAT'S BRILLIANT! So much for their "less government" - all this from the same people who brought us the majority of the US federal debt! YEAH, I REALLY want to listen to those people for financial advice! duh!

    Why don't the Republicans just go ahead and admit that they want to institute a truly flat tax aka. a poll tax (every person owes $20,000/yr regardless of income) and those who can't afford it can indenture for it...

  • Das G Jan 25, 8:14 a.m.

    "Time to boycott shopping, and do my own car repairs and haircuts. Everything costs too much already. Why do we keep electing these out of touch rich people?" -godnessgracious2

    So, do you not work? Because you do realize that you would have much more in your paycheck to offset the increase in sales tax.

  • davidgnews Jan 24, 8:55 p.m.

    "And no, oil revenues are not the reason...."

    I'm sure they weren't, given the state of a lot of other things there.

  • Nancy Jan 24, 8:39 p.m.

    "And no, oil revenues are not the reason...."

    True, when you look at their revenue break down in TX it's not oil revenue at all. It's sales taxes as the largest source.

    http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxbud/revenue.html

  • natsfan1965 Jan 24, 8:31 p.m.

    The states that are doing the best right now have embraced this concept. It is what the Fair Tax proposal at the federal level is. However to offset the concerns of those of moderate or fixed incomes the Fair Tax offers a monthly payment to taxpayers to offset their projected tax increases on items like food. Implementing this type of program would help ease the burden on those folks. That would be the way to go. This country needs the Fair Tax at all levels of government

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