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  • renaissancemon Jan 25, 2013

    > your suggesting anything dishonest happened isn't true [junkmail5]

    The Constitution entitles you to vote for anyone the Constitution doesn't disqualify. The legislature swears to uphold the Constitution. But then they refuse to count your vote for anyone THEY feel like calling disqualified. It's not just dishonest, it usurps the People's voice.

    Cooper "won" by a Soviet-style ballot: rigged to guarantee unanimity. The White House denounced Saddam Hussein for pulling that stunt in 2002. But here in 2013 in the world's beacon of democracy you call it honest. Let the incumbents keep picking and choosing which votes to count, is your position.

    > In other words- no fraud at all. They -exactly- followed the law.

    A law that orders them to report a fraudulent tally is a fraudulent law.

    > And in no way does voter ID have anything to do with your "complaint" either.

    How can you care about some people stuffing the ballot box when you don't care about other people throwing ballots away?

  • junkmail5 Jan 25, 2013

    You mean besides that the elections board admits it?? Just ask them, yes or no. They will tell you openly, yes, they discarded all votes in the Attorney General race which were not cast for Roy Cooper-enaissancemon

    Uh.... then later in your post you quote the law that REQUIRES them to do that.

    So your suggesting anything dishonest happened isn't true at all.

    You're instead upset that you weren't allowed to violate the current voting laws.

    Which say this "Write‑in votes for names other than those of qualified write‑in candidates shall not be counted for any purpose and shall not be recorded on the abstract."

    In other words- no fraud at all. They -exactly- followed the law.

    And in no way does voter ID have anything to do with your "complaint" either.

  • renaissancemon Jan 24, 2013

    >> Voters who opposed [Roy Cooper] by writing [in] a different eligible person were censored. The tally was falsified. [renaissancemon]

    > Evidence?? [junkmail5]

    You mean besides that the elections board admits it?? Just ask them, yes or no. They will tell you openly, yes, they discarded all votes in the Attorney General race which were not cast for Roy Cooper.

    It shouldn't surprise anyone. It is the only rational explanation for the fact that the official tally says he got 2,828,941 out of 2,828,941 total votes. Because the official tally is LYING. The total number of votes is OFFICIALLY UNDER-REPORTED.

    SO IF YOU CARE ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD, fight this OPEN, CURRENT fraud FIRST. Demand the repeal of NC Statute 163-123. That is the name of the state's general ban on write-in voting.

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    charmcclainlovesdogs2::::No one can say they would be thrilled if we had the VOTER ID? Why no response?

    I would be thrilled if this passes. You know why? Because it would frustrate the dems to no end that they couldn't implement THEIR voting strategy on this state at least. This state has been corrupt for far too long and it's time that someone has what it takes to get is straightened out.

  • jcarroll006 Jan 24, 2013

    Crumps, you are confusing voter fraud with election fraud. There is a difference.

  • jcarroll006 Jan 24, 2013

    driverkid3 - 'Everyone's best interest' in terms of my previous statement means the collective will of the people. And that interest is mine & yours in terms of this discussion. The only way to achieve the most accurate measure of the collective will of the people is to enable people to vote and to make sure those votes are counted. There, explained as you asked - you're welcome.

  • junkmail5 Jan 24, 2013

    Vote, and vote often: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html
    tatts1000

    and there again, she FAILED to vote a second time.

    All without a voter ID law.

    Which is why we need to give BOE access to DMV Photo Records- tatts1000

    Which won't help all the folks without licenses

  • beef Jan 24, 2013

    issymayake::::1) Has anyone ever seen an illegal alien at their voting precinct?

    Maybe. What do they look like?

  • junkmail5 Jan 24, 2013

    Every time I vote, I think about how easy it would be to impersonate another voter.
    Danny22

    Apparently not very easy, since there's no evidence of anyone doing it on any significant scale.

    During the 2010 election, a public official in my county tried to vote twice- Danny22

    And failed. All without needing voter ID.

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    Vote, and vote often: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html

  • jcarroll006 Jan 24, 2013

    History has proven that when more of a population votes Democrats tend to win, and when voter turnout is low Republicans tend to win. This is the factual basis behind respective positions.

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    Crumps - don't confuse Florida with North Carolina. Two separate States, two separate Electoral Systems... Anyways, the "issue" with Florida was whether or not ballots that had already been cast should go through a re-count, not whether or not there was fraud. Don't confuse the two States nor the two issues...

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    Danny22 - Linda Lyons recently plead GUILTY to the voter-fraud charges and is now serving probation... In fact, the whole incident proves that the existing works to identify Voters that may try to vote fraudulently...

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    "Every time I vote, I think about how easy it would be to impersonate another voter."

    Which is why we need to give BOE access to DMV Photo Records... Making a citizen produce ID is opportunity for Fraud (who didn't have a fake ID in college???)

  • cuffusion Jan 24, 2013

    I am confused by those who are arguing that it is a poll tax.. I submit that 98% of individuals already have a traditional Government picture ID.. the other 2%.. I am all for a non-driver ID card (which requires proof of identity) being issued by DMV free of cost.. there.. problem solved.. they have 2 years to get to the office to get it.. they have to go out to vote.. or get a stamp to mail in the ballot anyway.. DMV license office exist across the state.. so there is no financial burden..

    Whats the next argument.. that the gas used to go to the poll is a tax? the founding fathers didnt have an issue with requiring travel to the polling place 100 years ago.. they didnt see this as a tax then. (had to feed the horses).. so why would it be a tax now..

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    "Do you HONESTLY think they are going to tell the truth if they are illegal? If you do, you have to be one of the most gullible people in NC."

    Paranoia, the destroyer...

  • Danny22 Jan 24, 2013

    During the 2010 election, a public official in my county tried to vote twice. She said she "forgot she had already voted." Yeah, right. It was publicized in the local paper but she got by with it because of who she was.

  • Danny22 Jan 24, 2013

    Every time I vote, I think about how easy it would be to impersonate another voter.

  • Krimson Jan 24, 2013

    We is the GOP proposing to spend money we don't have to combat an issue that can easily be fixed by giving BOE access to DMV Photo Records??? Why go through such an huge ordeal when we can implement the systems we already have in place???

    Oh, maybe b/c this isn't about making the elections "clean"???

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    jcarroll::::Maybe because they have everyone's best interests at heart.

    OK, do you know me? Have any idea who I am other than another poster on here? Either way you answer, PLEASE, please tell me what MY "best interests" are. Explain that one for me, please. And do it in detail. Nobody has been able to tell me yet what MY "best interests" are, and I've asked the question a number of times, no one has an answer for me yet. I have all ideas you either CAN'T or WON'T.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 24, 2013

    Funny how when Bush won his 2nd term, the leftists were screaming voter fraud! Now that Obama has won his 2nd term, the problem "doesn't exist". Wow!!!!
    mxteam44

    Is different when they do it. Their hypocrisy wont let them see their double standards anymore.

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    junkmail::::http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/10/1160216/-Republicans-Fail-at-Arithmetic-Again-Trying-to-Claim-Voter-Fraud

    You want someone to trust that birdcage liner, liberal rag for good information? Now, I udnerstand why you have the mindset you do.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 24, 2013

    I think if a person doesn't have a id heres a solution if you register GOP and have no id then that party should pay for it and the same for Dems then no problem since both parties have so much money
    wwingard

    Great idea. The opposition to fixing this simple problem is puzzling. Why are dems against it? They love giving away stuff if it gives them a chance to pander. There is more too this than we are being told

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    Corgimim::::There are MILLIONS of Americans that go through life with no picture ID most of them poor and/or minorities.

    Ok, say that's true. How do they cash their checks, get their meds, get their benefits, get to see a doctor, or do any of the things that require an ID to do? You are blowing smoke, along with the other libs posting on here. I am poor, elderly, and have enough of a blood line to declare myself either Black or Native American. I have no problems with getting ID OR showing it.I don't need or want anyone to feel sorry for me, and I don't want anyone blowing smoke at me just because I don't have a problem with the ID issue. And just because I don't think as the libs prefer does NOT make me wrong or you right.

  • wwingard Jan 24, 2013

    I think if a person doesn't have a id heres a solution if you register GOP and have no id then that party should pay for it and the same for Dems then no problem since both parties have so much money

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    issymayake::::1) Has anyone ever seen an illegal alien at their voting precinct?

    Do you HONESTLY think they are going to tell the truth if they are illegal? If you do, you have to be one of the most gullible people in NC.

  • momx4 Jan 24, 2013

    I've worked at elections for several years. The amount of people that come in begging for us to check ID's grows each year - and it crosses party lines. Elections need integrity. But a greater "fraud" that permeates elections is the manipulation of the weakest among us. Time after time after time, the senile, the mentally handicapped are brought in by a "helper" that is oh, so willing to mark their ballot for them. Don't get me wrong, I know there are many, many capable people with such challenges that are very able to discern their candidate and are exercising their right to vote, with needed assistance. But there are many that are being used.

  • junkmail5 Jan 24, 2013

    I just can't, for the life of me, understand how showing an ID that proves you are who you say you are, is a bad thing?
    mxteam44

    Because in most states 5-10% of the population have no such ID.

    And since it would be illegal to charge them for it as a voting requirement you'd have to give them a free one.

    Which isn't really free, it'd cost millions to taxpayers, per state.

    All to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

    Which is an incredibly stupid plan and a waste of money.

  • mxteam44 Jan 24, 2013

    Funny how when Bush won his 2nd term, the leftists were screaming voter fraud! Now that Obama has won his 2nd term, the problem "doesn't exist". Wow!!!!

  • driverkid3 Jan 24, 2013

    starkstrotman::::Either change and get with the future or refuse to reform or change and your part will die in the past...

    In other words, vote and think they way YOU say or we are nothing. Sorry, bubba, it doesn't work that way. I have a mind and do very well thinking for myself. You might want to try it sometime, instead of toeing your party line

  • beef Jan 24, 2013

    That's why the guy in PA who got it passed outright stated he had "secured the state for Mitt Romney"

    Didn't Obama win PA?

  • beef Jan 24, 2013

    Everybody who doesn't have a drivers license should get a FREE, FREE as the wind government issued picture ID. This will make the poor and disadvantaged feel like they are part of society, help them avoid fraud, and make sure they vote ONE time as thmeselves. Who can be against that?

  • stevee2 Jan 24, 2013

    What is it you naysayers have to hide?

  • stevee2 Jan 24, 2013

    If Barber is against it, then I am for it!

  • mxteam44 Jan 24, 2013

    I just can't, for the life of me, understand how showing an ID that proves you are who you say you are, is a bad thing?

  • aintbackingdwn Jan 24, 2013

    Why don't we just let people stay home on voting day and telephone their local precinct with their vote? Thats no more insecure than forgoing ID presentation at the voting line.

  • aintbackingdwn Jan 24, 2013

    Legal law abiding citzens should have problems whatsoever about presenting ID to vote, get medicine, get food stamps, write a check or anything else. Actually anybody with common sense and nothing to hide should DEMAND IT! People's identity are being stolen every day. What are you afraid of fat Barber? What have you got to hid fat daddy????

  • junkmail5 Jan 24, 2013

    Voter Id is not meant to discourage or limit voting by anyone.- Ladyofthehouse

    Of course it is. EXPLICITLY so.

    That's why the guy in PA who got it passed outright stated he had "secured the state for Mitt Romney" by pushing it through, because he knew it'd lock out elderly and minority voters.

    Not having voter id requirements is the reason a town in Ohio had approximately 1,300 registered citizens yet had approximately 1,800 votes cast! It's dirty, it's slanted , it's where America is headed....just like those countries that can't have legitimate voting systems! WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!! lschwarz62

    Except of course that didn't actually happen.

    Mostly crazy republicans misunderstood some voting results, and without bothering to CHECK the story just started to yell about fraud, despite there being no evidence of it.

  • abcorinth Jan 24, 2013

    I remember during the seventies, eighties and nineties, having to present a driver's license to the pole worker in order to receive a ballot. I do not recall when this practice was discontinued but I also don't recall any issues with voter fraud during those days. Carrying and presenting a legitimate form of photo ID is not a deterrent to voting nor is obtaining one a difficulty for any law abiding citizen.

  • Bartmeister Jan 24, 2013

    Based on past history, If Barber is for it, count me in against it. Saves a lot of time and trouble.

  • ladyofthehouse Jan 24, 2013

    Voter Id is not meant to discourage or limit voting by anyone. It seems to me that all sides of this argument would want every vote to be legitimate. Whether our candidate wins or loses don't we want to know that the count was accurate and honest. I recently had to show picture ID to go to a medical specialist. My primary physician's office photocopied my license for my file. We have to show picture ID for some medicines, to cash a check, and many other reasons. If people are offended by showing a picture ID to vote it makes me wonder what they are trying to hide. It would only take a second to show your ID and move along to vote. Our 91 year old Mother had a photo ID issued by the NC DMV so that she could conduct business. It's not that hard. People get out to go to the doctor, buy groceries and other things I believe they could get an ID without it being an undue hardship. Voting is too important to take it lightly.

  • bill0 Jan 24, 2013

    "Only people who are breaking the law to begin with have an issue with this."

    Actually, about 10% of NC legal residents don't have photo ID. The VAST majority of them are just old people who stopped driving. That is why republicans are currently re-writing the voter ID bill to include other types of ID. It finally dawned on them that a lot of these old people are registered republicans.

  • yelnatsthegreat Jan 24, 2013

    How can any sane, rational person be against a requirement to prove it is indeed You, that is casting your one and only precious vote? My parents received a letter from a political organization last October, before the election, stating they knew they had voted the election before and urged them to vote again this election. The only problem was neither of them voted in the last election...

  • PanthersFan45 Jan 24, 2013

    "Why is this on the agenda at all?" Rev. William Barber, state president of the NAACP, said at a news conference. "North Carolina elections are working."

    Because Mr. Barber, we aren't in the stone age anymore and we are in post 9-11. Photo ID's are the norm for many things now and I have no issue w/a required photo ID for voting. Only people who are breaking the law to begin with have an issue with this. Personally I don't care one way or the other if we have one ..... but if having one further legitimizes (yes a big word there) the system then I see no problem with doing this.

  • Plenty Coups Jan 24, 2013

    Nephesh-"And as for links, Dnut, it's been my experience, especially here today on this story, that no matter what links one shares, someone will pu-pu them, so why bother."

    Sorry. Your links don't support what you claim.

  • jlhpcarew Jan 24, 2013

    Interesting that they are against voter ID when these same people are going to have to prove who they are to get on Medicaid with the ACA act. Furthermore, health insurance companies require you produce a valid ID also. If you need an ID to get psuedophedrine over the counter, then I would think that isn't such an imposition. Heck they have over a year to get one. They spend more than $5 on lottery tickets (don't remember the NAACP protesting that), booze and ciggies, so their excuse is baseless.

  • rickbrown64 Jan 24, 2013

    Using the argument Of that I am who I say I am is unjust. Is without basis. We've had enough Chicago and Florida elections. You people slay me with these arguments. Sue the victim. Is your logic.

  • birkie74693 Jan 24, 2013

    Dnut: "Well, they should have absolutely no issues with those who would like to restrict gun ownership to only those with a verified IQ of above, oh, 120. You;d need at least a certain level of intelligence to know how to safely store, handle and secure a firearm."

    It's a good idea, IMO, but it's going to knock out at least 99% of the regulars here on the comments areas. :-)

  • ehart Jan 24, 2013

    ...those who aren't here LEGALLY don't have the right to vote.
    Exactly! What is Mr. Barbour trying to do? Support the illegal populace in the same way Pueblo does?
    If you are here LEGALLY, you have nothing to fear.

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jan 23, 2013

    And as for links, Dnut, it's been my experience, especially here today on this story, that no matter what links one shares, someone will pu-pu them, so why bother.

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