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  • NYtoNC81 Jan 23, 10:03 a.m.

    moveythemez: The Democrat block consists of a coalition of government workers and educators who will benefit from a government spend platform, public educated youth under the age of 25 who have not completed full mental devlopment and minorities. The Republican block consists of the productive and investment class who pays for the societal costs and also consists of the morally engaged.

    Me: This is degrading and simplistic, but not surprising. Every single demographic study I've seen in the last four presidential elections has shown that the highest educated (those with graduate degrees or higher) have tended to vote more Democratic. Those with high school diplomas tend to vote more Republican.

    People forget the largest demographic who vote for the GOP is the poor to middle class, rural whites. Similarly the largest demographic for the Democrats is poor to middle class, urban citizens.

  • moveythemez Jan 23, 9:27 a.m.

    There are mnay dynamics working in general elections. During a Presidential election year, more voters turnout who do not normally vote in off year elections. They tend to be less engaged voters and less informed. Plus many just pull the lever for President asnd walk out. This is evidenced by Romney barely winning NC but McCrory winning by double digit percentages.

    Further, people vote for the candidate they believe will benefit them the most. The Democrat block consists of a coalition of government workers and educators who will benefit from a government spend platform, public educated youth under the age of 25 who have not completed full mental devlopment and minorities. The Republican block consists of the productive and investment class who pays for the societal costs and also consists of the morally engaged. I do not see a scenario where either block will move over to the other side's point-of-view, so this split in the electorate will continue.

  • bmac813 Jan 23, 8:35 a.m.

    Yes, The Republicans do control the House, But to get anything Passed it has to go through the Senate which is controled by Harry Reid and the Democrats.

    I laugh every time I head Liberals talk or the Liberal News Media write it is always the House's Fault that nothing is getting done. Check and see how many Bill's were sent to the Senate and they stopped there because of Harry Reid.

    dem's know how to play the Game and the are good at it.

    As long as you got 90% of the News Media behind you, You have nothing to worry about, Brcause most people don't know what is going on, IF they did Obama would have never won Re-Election.

  • hp277 Jan 22, 5:55 p.m.

    so one can sum it up fairly easily -- the democrats in nc -- were slaughtered at the polls by the fed up citizens of nc....

    wildpig777

    1 party's candidates (Democrats) got 51% of the votes for Congressional seats in 2012, yet came away with just 4 of 13 seats.

    I'd say Dems got slaughtered at gerrymandering time, not at the polls - at least not in 2012.

  • BW Jan 22, 5:38 p.m.

    golorest -- recheck your math.

    Those making more than $200,000 do indeed make up 26% of the total income, but according to line 111 of the spreadsheet pay 46.5 % of the taxes. The figure you cite is a count field (Line 110).

    Those making less that $75000 are 37.75% of the income, and 19.7% of the taxes. (Line 111 again.)

  • golorealist Jan 22, 4:41 p.m.

    here's some interesting facts (based off of irs statistics available here http://www.irs.gov/file_source/pub/irs-soi/09in53us.xls)

    in 2009 (latest year available) those making over $200K (highest denomination of income in the stats), represented 3% of total returns. their TOTAL income (not agi, but total income) represented 26% of all income reported for the whole country. yet, they only paid 4% of the total tax.

    those making 75K or under represent 80% of all tax returns. they represent 38% of total income. yet, they pay 72% of total tax. in other words, 72% of the total income tax comes from 38% of the total income.

    yep. the wealthy need to be taken care of more.

    who is really paying more than their fair share?

  • golorealist Jan 22, 4:34 p.m.

    "But to deny Obama is a massive spender who has no interest in bringing down the defecit is absurd." statefan99

    but, i never denied that. so, what's your point?

    "If we continue to blame the other for something BOTH played a part in we'll get no where though." - statefan99

    after the back and forth, it's nice to know you agreed with me all along.

  • StateFan99 Jan 22, 4:26 p.m.

    the hyprocrisy lies in the republican parties so-called desire for "smaller government". the republicans do nothing to make goverment smaller. they've added to it plenty, and about as much as anybody else has.

    sorry, but "oh, but we make big government slower than democrats" doesn't qualify as pushing for smaller government.

    I'm not debating that fact because it's true. Which is why I'm neither a Dem or Repub. But to deny Obama is a massive spender who has no interest in bringing down the defecit is absurd. And I know, I know - Congress passes laws - Republicans control the House ext. If we continue to blame the other for something BOTH played a part in we'll get no where though.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 4:21 p.m.

    "Can someone please tell me how this is hypocrital? There are for sure hypocrisies to point out, but these numbers basically speak for themselves." - StateFan99

    sorry, but "oh, but we make big government slower than democrats" doesn't qualify as pushing for smaller government. it makes them hypocritical. they've added to big government about as much as anybody else has.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 4:18 p.m.

    "Can someone please tell me how this is hypocrital? There are for sure hypocrisies to point out, but these numbers basically speak for themselves." - StateFan99

    the hyprocrisy lies in the republican parties so-called desire for "smaller government". the republicans do nothing to make goverment smaller. they've added to it plenty, and about as much as anybody else has.

    sorry, but "oh, but we make big government slower than democrats" doesn't qualify as pushing for smaller government.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 4:01 p.m.

    "Someone lost a debate. LOL"

    lol...it's especially obvious since i haven't seen cnn in years, and i dislike obama (and democrats collectively) as much as i dislike the republicans.

  • goldenosprey Jan 22, 3:53 p.m.

    So, once again we can thank old folks for the blight that is about to be visited on NCers? Thanks Ethel & Hubert.

    Maybe next time young people and hispanics will get out there and vote...

    if they have all of their papers and IDs in order...

  • StateFan99 Jan 22, 3:38 p.m.

    in terms of deficit, reagan grew the deficit by a much larger percentage than obama has.

    don't get me wrong. i'm no democrat by any means. the hypocrisy of the republican party is just very easy to point out.

    Reagen added 1.4 Trillion in 8 years...

    Bush added 3.2 Trillion in 8 years..

    Obama has added over 5 trillion in just 4 years..

    Can someone please tell me how this is hypocrital? There are for sure hypocrisies to point out, but these numbers basically speak for themselves.

  • BitCoin Trader Jan 22, 3:34 p.m.

    i'll be very impressed when a republican government actually shrinks the size of government. they've talked about it for decades...haven't done it yet.

    golorealist

    +1. The last time the GOP had full control we got the Patriot Act, TSA, DHS, 2002 stimulus, and Medicare Part D. Not to mention the wars which ALWAYS expand government. Im amazed people still fall for the "samll gov" line. How many elections does it take?

  • BitCoin Trader Jan 22, 3:31 p.m.

    "CNN and Obama have you totally brainwashed"

    Someone lost a debate. LOL

  • golorealist Jan 22, 3:25 p.m.

    "Regarding tax.. We would have almost all our pay, so if a person CHOOSES not to spend their money (Again, chooses to spend his money, something that Democrats believe we should have less of that ability) on games toys ect. he could save more maybe for a down payment on a house which requires hiring. AND SO ON.." - Raleigh Rocks 1

    yeah, i've had similar debates on the fair tax a few times. pretty easy to blow holes in the plan. first, how much of your spending can you REALLY cut back on? second, if you cut back on spending to buy a house, you're not necessarily creating jobs. you see, you're just taking money out of one sector of the economy (whatever you cut spending on), and putting it into another sector...housing. in other words, sure...you may be helping to create jobs in housing, but you're helping to reduce jobs elsewhere. you're not putting more money into the economy.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 2:59 p.m.

    "NC taxes UE income at the end of the year like any other income. what was your arguement again?" -arfamr

    my argument was exactly what i said. your tax bill is going to go down drastically if you're on ue and paying under an income tax system. it's not really go to go down at all under a sales tax plan. in other words, your total tax as a percent of your income is going to increase significantly.

    so, what exactly was YOUR argument again?

  • golorealist Jan 22, 2:56 p.m.

    "nice rhetoric...I bet one corporate jet costs more than you'll make in your entire life. How can you say that rich people don't spend more? CNN and Obama have you totally brainwashed...first you cry about the rich having luxurious things you can't afford, so then when we want to tax them you complain and say they don't spend any money...so which is it?" arfamr

    nice try. i don't even like obama.

    as far as corporate jets...stockholders pay for corporate jets, not executives. those stockholders, are in large part, middle class america holding stock indirectly via retirement investments in mutual funds. please at least try to understand what you're talking about before you talk about it.

    as far as crying about the wealthy having things i can't afford, please show me where i've done anything close to that.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 22, 2:55 p.m.

    Grand Onion said...baptists who register and vote mostly GOP EVERY TIME.

    This vote is Not based on anyones skin color so not even in the same discussion.

    GOLO (causeumustbehighnow) says..most of the wealthy aren't business owners. they're overpaid execs that work for publicly traded companies that are owned by many shareholders. their tax rates have nothing to do with company's ability to hire.

    However, when the shareholders agree that the tax rates are low, they feel the risks of investing are good, and they can predict some sort of market stability, then they promote the culture to expand into new markets and investments which leads to hiring. again econ 101... daaa

    Regarding tax..

    We would have almost all our pay, so if a person CHOOSES not to spend their money (Again, chooses to spend his money, something that Democrats believe we should have less of that ability) on games toys ect. he could save more maybe for a down payment on a house which requires hiring. AND SO ON..

  • golorealist Jan 22, 2:54 p.m.

    "at least they manage to grow at a much lower rate than democrats...it's the best option we have right now."

    in terms of deficit, reagan grew the deficit by a much larger percentage than obama has.

    don't get me wrong. i'm no democrat by any means. the hypocrisy of the republican party is just very easy to point out.

  • nerdlywehunt Jan 22, 2:45 p.m.

    The new republican leadership needs to slash the pensions and health care of all these state and county workers.....the amount they receive is absolutely ridiculous. Give them a 401k like every other taxpayer gets and let them buy their own health insurance like everyone else gets after retirement!

  • arfamr1007 Jan 22, 2:36 p.m.

    i'll be very impressed when a republican government actually shrinks the size of government. they've talked about it for decades...haven't done it yet.

    golorealist

    at least they manage to grow at a much lower rate than democrats...it's the best option we have right now.

  • arfamr1007 Jan 22, 2:35 p.m.

    ...ncwill STILL get their tax revenue out of you with that new sales tax.

    golorealist

    NC taxes UE income at the end of the year like any other income. what was your arguement again?

  • arfamr1007 Jan 22, 2:34 p.m.

    as far as rich people spending more, nah, that's not really how it works out. but, whatever. support the proposed legislation and see what happens to YOUR total tax bill (sales tax + income tax) after it's passed. also, i hope you don't lose your job...ncwill STILL get their tax revenue out of you with that new sales tax.

    golorealist

    nice rhetoric...I bet one corporate jet costs more than you'll make in your entire life. How can you say that rich people don't spend more? CNN and Obama have you totally brainwashed...first you cry about the rich having luxurious things you can't afford, so then when we want to tax them you complain and say they don't spend any money...so which is it?

  • goldenosprey Jan 22, 2:29 p.m.

    "I keep seeing the word "sheep" on here...this shows who the true "sheep" are...African Americans who register and vote mostly straight Democrat EVERY TIME"- anderson

    Hey anderson, look no further than your own avatar if you want to see sheep!

    The republican party could not survive without sheep. Their voting constituency is composed almost entirely out of rich people and people who can be fooled into voting against their own interests.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 2:24 p.m.

    "actually supporting low taxes was only a portion of the equation, we also supported lower spending for the government programs. You seem to think we wanted this bloated government that is in place today and that is certainly not the case, but we never considered it OKAY to not work either, which seems to be the general idea of today. "

    i'll be very impressed when a republican government actually shrinks the size of government. they've talked about it for decades...haven't done it yet.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 2:23 p.m.

    "GOLONG...with an increased sales tax, rich people will spend more cause they have more money to spend, so they will pay more in taxes.....daaaaaaaa

    Please take care of the wealthy so they can pay me to work for them. I do not see any poor folk hiring"

    most of the wealthy aren't business owners. they're overpaid execs that work for publicly traded companies that are owned by many shareholders. their tax rates have nothing to do with their company's ability to hire. the small business owners that do the hiring you're referring to generally aren't "wealthy"....for example, very few of them would be impacted by the federal income tax increase that was just passed.

    as far as rich people spending more, nah, that's not really how it works out. but, whatever. support the proposed legislation and see what happens to YOUR total tax bill (sales tax + income tax) after it's passed. also, i hope you don't lose your job...ncwill STILL get their tax revenue out of you with that new sales tax.

  • arfamr1007 Jan 22, 2:20 p.m.

    The next election cycle will tell the tale. If the national Republican leadership does what they say and attempts to reach out to more demographics, support immigration and the rights of folks not like them, tries to sound more moderate, supports science and the recommendations of intelligent adults, then our state will see a huge drop in Republican voters and turnout. The Republicans in this state all seem to want to embrace that 1950's mentality and hold on for dear life. Which will be the death of the Republican party here eventually. Or at least it will leave behind a lot of disappointed, supersticious, unintelligent folks who wonder why the right wing abandoned them.

    RadioDJ

    please get informed!! The GOP is against ILLEGAL immigration. quit spreading your propaganda and lies

  • Jimmytwotimes Jan 22, 2:18 p.m.

    I keep seeing the word "sheep" on here...this shows who the true "sheep" are...African Americans who register and vote mostly straight Democrat EVERY TIME"

    as opposed to white male gun owning baptists who register and vote mostly straight GOP EVERY TIME.

    Grand Union

    Ha ha, good one Grand Union! Zing pow!

  • dontstopnow Jan 22, 2:17 p.m.

    actually supporting low taxes was only a portion of the equation, we also supported lower spending for the government programs. You seem to think we wanted this bloated government that is in place today and that is certainly not the case, but we never considered it OKAY to not work either, which seems to be the general idea of today.

    I will just sit and be quiet, and btw SouthernPackerfan, I do admit when I am wrong. Have no problem with that, it is my children and grandchildren that have to be 'proven' wrong before they admit it so not sure what the heck you are talking about. :)

  • Grand Union Jan 22, 2:08 p.m.

    "

    No...what the Republicans need to do is to BE MORE CONSERVATIVE. "

    LOL yeah lets hope they do that! that way we can be rid of them in one term.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 22, 2:06 p.m.

    GOLONG...with an increased sales tax, rich people will spend more cause they have more money to spend, so they will pay more in taxes.....daaaaaaaa

    Please take care of the wealthy so they can pay me to work for them. I do not see any poor folk hiring.

  • teleman60 Jan 22, 2:06 p.m.

    Anybody that believes that the Romney campaign of lies and silly out of context distortions was for real is insane.

    Likewise, anybody who believes that eliminating the income tax for the wealthy and corporation and replacing it with sales tax on groceries is insane.

    Dateline 2003: Cutting taxes by $4.5 trillion over 10 years while borrowing to fight 2 wars and give $1 Trillion drug benefit -- all unfunded, destroyed the US economy.

    Republicans intend to destroy the NC economy the same way.

  • Grand Union Jan 22, 2:01 p.m.

    "Ok dems you know where the holes are, time to start patching 'em up with misinformation and promises of freebies!"

    yeah you tried those lies at the last election and it only worked in NC....just. keep lying...your time is past and you are slipping into irrelevance.

  • NC observer 07 Jan 22, 1:54 p.m.

    Oh Heavenly, thank you for your vote. But I am sure the country will continue to survive on too large of a government, too much debt and our rights "disappearing". Sadly, I suspect you and other "seniors" have supported low taxes for over 30 years that has helped bring us to the mess we have. You see, it didn't happen over 4 years, but over many years and generations.

    My father is senior and we discussed this country before the election. He voted one way and I voted another. He could see your argument but also recognized mine, the country always changes and makes mistakes, but our freedom is always there.

  • SouthernPackerFan Jan 22, 1:54 p.m.

    I can remember how it felt to know everything when I was younger only to discover I knew very little back then and now that I do know more through life and experience, I have to watch those stubborn youngsters re

    Heavenly

    funny thing about that, when your proven wrong, you'll never admit it, youngsters will

  • chatheel Jan 22, 1:52 p.m.

    The revolution started in north carolina this voting period.The whole country will do the same in 2014 & 2016. Liberals are on the way out. Good luck if they think biden can get elected in 2016.

  • That Explains It Jan 22, 1:48 p.m.

    "...the political subgroup with the highest turnout was African-American Democratic women, at 76.4 percent..."

    We report the facts. You decide.

  • golorealist Jan 22, 1:32 p.m.

    "sed with prior to the election could compare this mess we are in to some time in their life that was similar. So we voted to try to prevent the decline in our rights, the total overspending of a too big government, and to give our Great Grandchildren and their Grandchildren a chance to live the America dream, which is gone under Obama." - heavenly

    nevermind that fact that mccrory gave generous raises to his cabinet appointees and has found plenty of new ways to spend money since he started office. yeah, really trying to save the state some money, huh? oh, and how about the republican state legislature trying to lower income tax rates and increase sales taxes. that's going to likely increase the tax burden on the middle and lower income in the state while decreasing it for the wealthy. yep, we definitely need to take better care of the wealthy. as far as rights, i think the republicans and democrats are pretty equal in the amount of rights they want to invade.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 22, 1:26 p.m.

    Ok dems you know where the holes are, time to start patching 'em up with misinformation and promises of freebies!

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 22, 1:24 p.m.

    Congrats to seniors for the highest turnout! Someone appreciates the opportunity to vote.

  • anderson Jan 22, 1:23 p.m.

    The next election cycle will tell the tale. If the national Republican leadership does what they say and attempts to reach out to more demographics, support immigration and the rights of folks not like them, tries to sound more moderate, supports science and the recommendations of intelligent adults, then our state will see a huge drop in Republican voters and turnout.

    No...what the Republicans need to do is to BE MORE CONSERVATIVE. That's why NC has a Republican governor and House and Senate. It's left to see how they actually govern, but they ran ON A CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM AND WON!

  • anderson Jan 22, 1:21 p.m.

    Predictions that Obama's support for same-sex marriage would depress African-American turnout in North Carolina did not pan out. While turnout among black voters dropped slightly, from 71.9 to 70.3 percent, that's in line with the drop in overall turnout. According to Hall, about 85 percent of black voters in North Carolina are registered Democrats.

    I keep seeing the word "sheep" on here...this shows who the true "sheep" are...African Americans who register and vote mostly straight Democrat EVERY TIME

  • Cock a doodle doo Jan 22, 1:18 p.m.

    "The next election cycle will tell the tale."

    Not necessarily. The current legislature will come up with initiatives to restrict the ability to vote. While I am for an ID to be required to vote, I certainly do not think it should be a tax on a citizen to have to obtain that. If McCrory remains moderate, and more progressive, as he has been as mayor, he likely will win a re-election. Local races are gerrymandered for a one-party victory.

  • RadioDJ Jan 22, 12:57 p.m.

    The next election cycle will tell the tale. If the national Republican leadership does what they say and attempts to reach out to more demographics, support immigration and the rights of folks not like them, tries to sound more moderate, supports science and the recommendations of intelligent adults, then our state will see a huge drop in Republican voters and turnout. The Republicans in this state all seem to want to embrace that 1950's mentality and hold on for dear life. Which will be the death of the Republican party here eventually. Or at least it will leave behind a lot of disappointed, supersticious, unintelligent folks who wonder why the right wing abandoned them.

  • wildpig777 Jan 22, 12:41 p.m.

    so one can sum it up fairly easily -- the democrats in nc -- were slaughtered at the polls by the fed up citizens of nc....

    clearly show what a 1 party system can do to a state when left in power to long...

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