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  • Lightfoot3 Jan 24, 10:06 a.m.

    Unarmed guards? They already have plenty of those with the teachers and other school workers. They need to have an ARMED guard.

  • Tax Man Jan 24, 8:36 a.m.

    Unarmed guards will be worthless as there are already plenty of responsible adults on campus. We need ARMED and trained folks - better to be regular teachers and administrators with CCW permits - those whose choose to carry to protect the schools. Most unarmed security guards earn minimum wage and have little real training in bringing down a heavily armed intruder - they would merely be more targets. Retired/former police and military with weapons makes more sense also, but you could not have then in very many places. Allow the staff who have CCW permits to carry on campus as well as any parents who are visiting who have CCW permits. Remove "gun-free" zones as they do not help and do not work! There should be no such thing. If you are law abiding and have a CCW permit you should be able to carry your weapon EVERYWHERE. The bad guys don't care or obey the law - we need good guys who do obey the law to stop the bad guys wherever the bad guys may be.

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Jan 23, 4:23 p.m.

    If they're like the Allied Barton type guards you see at the malls these days they would provide too much security whether they had a gun or not. I know there are exceptions to any rule but you teach someone basic gun safety, give them $11.00 bucks an hour, a gun, and a uniform and think you've done anything other than primarily waste money and given a few people a false sense of security you're sadly mistaken. On top of the fact that you leave the decision in the hands of that bunch on the Wake County school board........

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 4:07 p.m.

    webtech2008.."UNARMED SECURITY: They would see the intruder coming and activate alarm; building secured, help on the way. Lives will be lost, but much less than if no guards. "
    ....exactly how is unarmed security better than teachers and/or school administrators doing the same? As far a AR-15 vs. pistol, if the police are in a position of cover and take a shooter by surprise or while reloading, a pistol can take out the shooter. As far a a person planning an attack, if they knew nobody was armed it wouldn't change their mind. You also need to think before you comment.

  • federalsales2 Jan 23, 3:16 p.m.

    Unarmed,,How dumb can they be, what happens when the crazy comes to school with weapon and the guard says hole on while I go get my weapon. What a Joke, don't even waste your time, I was in Vietnam we had weapons, but if you had to put me or anybody else without one,,forget about it.....

  • free2speak Jan 23, 2:55 p.m.

    Really put guards at schools with no weapons. Yea that is real smart let me tell ya. Not.. Waste of taxpayers money with guards not armed. If you are going to put guards in schools then atleast have them armed. An unarmed guard does nothing. Stupid Stupid Stupid. On the other hand this is how the majority of the Wake School Board thinks so not surprised.

  • 4Strikes Jan 23, 2:27 p.m.

    "charmcclainlovesdogs2... Locking doors. Yes that sounds good in stheory , but since we have all these trailers (sorry modular classroooms) outside, it would be hard to do. What about children getting locked out?"

    I thought about this too, that is a major issue with trying to secure the schools. Maybe these should only be allowed in courtyard areas where they can be fenced and secured. I hate to set up our schools like prisons but if they don't deal with the justice system and they keep turning violent criminals and the mentally ill out on the streets I guess we have to imprison our kids to keep them safe from them. 75% of all violent crimes are commited by repeat offenders.

  • webtec2008 Jan 23, 2:23 p.m.

    Amazes me how people who have no clue comment. So these are the choices:
    POLICE: They would carry Glock 40. Against an AR15, they might as well have a squirt gun.
    ARMED SECURITY: Much cheaper, but still outgunned.
    UNARMED SECURITY: They would see the intruder coming and activate alarm; building secured, help on the way. Lives will be lost, but much less than if no guards. They would not try to John Wayne the intruder, but summon help (local/state police) and alert everyone FAST as intruder GETS OUT OF CAR AND LOADS WEAPON ... but without an observer, NO ONE would see him til he got to the door. EARLY WARNING principle.

    Take shooting in TN in 2002; bank robbery, police responded. TWO officers shot with assault weapon. The robber did not die UNTIL multiple units arrived and shot him ..... so the two police against one didn't work. THEY WERE OUTGUNNED.

    NO GUARD: I promise, if there was a security presence, the person PLANNING the attack choses to go to somewhere else. That's a FA

  • 4Strikes Jan 23, 2:21 p.m.

    "I think it's a good idea. Anything can help that may save some little kids. The guard may be trained in commications with first responders. Nothing bad can come from it and he will not scare little kids with a gun. Come on people. Member of NRA."
    bubbba

    Seriously, when have you ever seen an unarmed gaurd that was worth the money? It won't work, it won't save any little kids. There are already people in the front office that are trained in communications. It is a kneejerk reaction by a liberal school board that is in panic mode because they have no idea what to do. It's too bad that they don't have Tony Tata to tell them.

  • baldchip Jan 23, 2:14 p.m.

    Unarmed guards are a waste of taxpayer money. What is he going to do-throw a bullet at an armed intruder-if he's still alive???

  • 4Strikes Jan 23, 2:11 p.m.

    "It will happen again until we get rid of the guns."

    This is an infantile liberal mentality. On a par with sticking your head in the sand and pretending that evil doesn't exist. Both approaches will have the same exact result.

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 1:56 p.m.

    charmcclainlovesdogs2... Locking doors. Yes that sounds good in stheory , but since we have all these trailers (sorry modular classroooms) outside, it would be hard to do. What about children getting locked out? Aren't they in more danger having to be alone walking around to get in? And visitor control is a good idea, most schools already have it, not for security so much...but to keep parents from disrupting the classrooms. We already have a lot or rules and policies out there that are not practiced very well.

  • lec02572 Jan 23, 1:56 p.m.

    What a bad joke this board is for Wake County. Having unarmed so called "security guards" at a door will do nothing to stop anyone.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 23, 1:34 p.m.

    Life has risks, be aware, and act accordingly

    I do agree with that statement. Many has went over-board because of the shooting in the various schools and other places. Yet we say "NO Guns" on any school campus. How about fixing the doors where those inside can easily get out; but those on the outside cannot get in so easily. Visitors should be able to identify themselves and their purpose for being on the campus. Who are they there to visit and see, etc.? We cannot walk around this earth so afraid at at all times. That would not be good for any one of us. I do beleive its more the parents and adults than it is the children. I know there will be a come back on my opinion. Just saying........

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 1:17 p.m.

    Sickness & Disease resulting in death
    Car accidents resulting in death
    Lightning strike resulting in death
    Tornado death
    Pedestrian accident resulting in death
    Sport Accident resulting in death
    Fire death ***ALL more likely than a mass murderer shooting your child.*** Life has risks, be aware, and act accordingly.

  • hondaboys Jan 23, 1:14 p.m.

    How can you pay the police to watch the schools when the schools are asking for the people to send extra supplies so the teachers don't have to buy them for the kids here in Moore County. If you do put a someone in the schools to watch out for there safety if will be some 90 pound lady or very young or old police officer. Lock some doors !!

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 12:41 p.m.

    "It will happen again until we get rid of the guns."

    Yes and how many lives would be lost if the feds tried to do that? Is it really worth that? You may not think this way, but there are a lot of law biding citizens that would say that was justification for a civil war unless the US Constitution was amended. Even if this did happen and guns disappeared, crazy people could use easy to make firebombs, etc. to achieve the same ends. Heck, a car could be a weapon of mass destruction at a school, would you ban them?

  • bubbba Jan 23, 12:35 p.m.

    Bubba...you are saying WCPSS has $1 million for the guards? Exactly give up, still not dealing with issue. People are crazy regardless of unarmed or armed guards.
    RALEIGHNATIVE25
    January 23, 2013 11:49 a.m.
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    All I am saying is a little bit is better than nothing and extremism from both sides of the gun debates make people look like nuts. Baby steps until we can find a solution that may not be 100% in every case but will provide a better level of care and safety for your kids and mine.

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 12:35 p.m.

    Bubba.... a burglar and a determined deranged (but usually highly intelligent) shooter bent on causing mass casualties with little regard for their own life are two VERY, VERY different scenarios. Spending money for Elementary school security like this is a waste. The SRO's have a function dealing with problems in high schools that don't exist in Elementary schools. They are not there to prevent a mass murderer from gaining access to a school and shooting everybody they can. The SRO would probably be the first to get shot before he could even draw his/her weapon.

  • justabumer Jan 23, 12:05 p.m.

    "It will happen again until we get rid of the guns."

    Can anyone offer a reasonable response to explain exactly how we could "get rid of guns"? Surely no one thinks that just enacting another law, or laws, will cause all of the guns to disappear.

  • RALEIGHNATIVE25 Jan 23, 11:54 a.m.

    Simply not true and you know it. You deal with the resources you have in the best way. I give up. Bubbba January 23, 2013 11:04 a.m

    Also, Columbine happened way...before Sandy Hook! Did WCPSS run and get unarmed or armed guards? So , you can't just charge it off as using the resources they have!

  • RALEIGHNATIVE25 Jan 23, 11:49 a.m.

    Bubba...you are saying WCPSS has $1 million for the guards? Exactly give up, still not dealing with issue. People are crazy regardless of unarmed or armed guards.

  • bubbba Jan 23, 11:04 a.m.

    If WCPSS is going to have armed guards in elementary schools they value the lives of those in middle and high school a lot less?
    RALEIGHNATIVE25
    January 23, 2013 10:51 a.m.
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    Simply not true and you know it. You deal with the resources you have in the best way. I give up.

  • RALEIGHNATIVE25 Jan 23, 10:51 a.m.

    Armed guards are not going prevent individuals that are certifiable crazy from harming anyone including children. I have three children (high, middle and elementary), shopping at the mall is a risk, riding a school bus is risk and etc. Placing a Band-Aid on the issue may make some feel better but what are we really accomplishing. Parents are not parenting anymore and morals really barely exist, that's how reality. Deal with that and this discussion would not be a discussion. SN: If WCPSS is going to have armed guards in elementary schools they value the lives of those in middle and high school a lot less?

  • bubbba Jan 23, 10:38 a.m.

    1. School would have to have a perimeter defense set up. That would include fences and limited access. 2. Access points would have to search every vehicle and person before they enter the perimeter. Guards would have to be armed and trusted individuals. 3. A second armed layer of defense would have to be in place to react if the perimeter defense is penetrated. That defense force would have to be large enough to cover the entire property. 4. Guards would have to be rotated to reduce complacency. This is reality, a single uniformed guard (armed or unarmed) is an "eye candy" proactive measure. A real solution is too costly for the threat. Of course, a school official with a concealed weapon could have reduced the death toll at Sandy Forks.
    ECF1956
    January 23, 2013 10:32 a.m.
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    See what I mean. Buglars usually dont pick homes with outside lights on. Just basic simple things can help deter most situations. Let schools do anything, no matter how small to prot

  • bubbba Jan 23, 10:35 a.m.

    Quit using the President and his kids as your argument. I love my kids just as much but they are not a national security issue.
    No one here seems to want to talk rational gun and school safety.

  • ECF1956 Jan 23, 10:32 a.m.

    As someone quite familiar with security I feel that the BOE and some CC's need to take a deep breath and think about what they want to achieve. If trying to stop a "Sandy Forks" type event is the goal, this is what you would need to do:
    1. School would have to have a perimeter defense set up. That would include fences and limited access.
    2. Access points would have to search every vehicle and person before they enter the perimeter. Guards would have to be armed and trusted individuals.
    3. A second armed layer of defense would have to be in place to react if the perimeter defense is penetrated. That defense force would have to be large enough to cover the entire property.
    4. Guards would have to be rotated to reduce complacency.
    This is reality, a single uniformed guard (armed or unarmed) is an "eye candy" proactive measure. A real solution is too costly for the threat. Of course, a school official with a concealed weapon could have reduced the death toll at Sandy Forks.

  • Sherlock Jan 23, 10:26 a.m.

    but commissioners said unarmed guards would be a waste of money that accomplishes nothing. That is a very true statement. You do not see the prez kids with unarmed guards why should our be any less protected!

  • bubbba Jan 23, 10:18 a.m.

    I think it's a good idea. Anything can help that may save some little kids. The guard may be trained in commications with first responders. Nothing bad can come from it and he will not scare little kids with a gun. Come on people. Member of NRA.

  • common_sense_plz Jan 23, 9:49 a.m.

    Unarmed officers....ROFL, WASTE, WASTE, WASTE our MONEY, which is what this school board is great at. Can someone un-crown Sutton.

  • KermitDFrog Jan 23, 9:29 a.m.

    Unarmed guards are a waste of money. Armed guards are an even further waste of money. My kids' schools are pretty big. They have a resource officer but given the size of the school, the response time is at least a minute or two. A lot can happen in that time.

  • kermit60 Jan 23, 9:26 a.m.

    Just how in a year where they have told us they need more money did they come up with 2.4 million in some magical slush fund.

  • BigSteamnTurd Jan 23, 9:23 a.m.

    It sounds like the county commissioners are going to help the public out by taking away much of the control of the school board and they are going to change it so that the public can vote for more than one at a time.

    That is phenomenal news.

    Kudos to the county commissioners.

  • me2you Jan 23, 9:11 a.m.

    There should be a huge revolt if they decide to do this.

  • miseem Jan 23, 8:17 a.m.

    LOL. Plenty Coups ......So specific words have no meaning to you, and context matters not?
    Dnut.
    Taken IN context, most people would get the idea that a clip is a mechanism for holding and feeding multiple rounds of bullets,cartridges, shells, whatever you prefer to call them, into a gun for firing, with the net effect of spraying a lot of bullets in a short period of time. Taken out of context, you may be right. However, I think that when someone calls a 911 dispatcher saying they are having a heart attack, he understands what they are saying, even though "heart attack" is not a medically diagnostic condition. I don't think he would wait for the caller to correctly identify what he's having as an acute mycardial infarction. Same as most people can infer that a clip is pretty much the same as a magazine for all practical purposes.

  • WhoWhatWhere Jan 22, 7:54 p.m.

    What GOOD is a unarmed security guard going to do? That makes no sense at all. People choose their locations to carry out the crowdy act because they know there isn't another armed person there. Unarmed guards is just as worthless as having no guards! What will this person do when someone comes in shooting? Run, Hide and Call 911? I believe we already have enought of that .. Just saying!

  • JohnnyVoodoo Jan 22, 7:43 p.m.

    They say liberals are the progessive type... I agree with that. Because, it's the progressive way that's progressing this country straight down the toilet. Geosol is an excellent example of a liberal who doesn't have a clue. They think when a bad guy bursts into a school with multiple weapons that we should apply diplomacy to difuse the situation... hugs would be a good thing too.. to try and talk it out and share a coke and a smile while we're at it. Unbelievable.

  • Dnut Jan 22, 7:36 p.m.

    "And yes, wingers, i intentionally used the terms "assault rifle" and "clip" so that the wingers can start screeching about the meaningless debate over their terminology."
    LOL.
    Plenty Coups
    ......So specific words have no meaning to you, and context matters not?

  • beachboater Jan 22, 7:33 p.m.

    Geosol - why should responsible gun owners bear the cost of placing armed guards in elementary schools? Really, why? Responsible gun owners will not benefit one iota from this. The benefit will be to the children, and their parents.

    So again, WHY do you think the NRA or gun owners should pay for this? Using your reasoning gun owners should be responsible for the cost of all police departments, and sheriff's offices. They are armed. I don't see much if any difference in the police and armed "guards" which in many counties are in fact sheriff's deputies.

    I would strongly disagree with your comment that the NRA is the biggest impediment to sensible controls. The executive vice president of the NRA stated shortly after the CT tragedy that the best thing to stop a bad guy with a good guy with a gun.

    Think about it......how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun? Would you just nicely ask him to put his gun away and leave? I wonder how that would work out for you.

  • caroexc Jan 22, 7:32 p.m.

    i question the effectiveness of an unarmed secutity guard in any school. Hire sworn deputies and place them in the schools. Simple. Wake school board needs to THINK about their proposals before voicing them to the public. They are losing "cred" REAL QUICK

  • Nancy Jan 22, 7:23 p.m.

    I don't believe I've read in ANY of the coverage in our liberal news outlets (paper and here) just WHO recommended this to even be discussed.

    Has anyone read any such name attached to this folly?

  • Plenty Coups Jan 22, 7:21 p.m.

    "And yes, wingers, i intentionally used the terms "assault rifle" and "clip" so that the wingers can start screeching about the meaningless debate over their terminology."

    LOL.

  • Dnut Jan 22, 7:20 p.m.

    Will the NRA pay for this expense? blhug

    .....They said they would help form and pay for training programs, not for actual salaries....NRA hater!!

  • westernwake1 Jan 22, 7:19 p.m.

    "On the school board, in the county called Wake. Decisions are made that cause heads to shake. Money is thrown straight down the drain. Taxpayers opinions are voiced in vain.

    Over and over their ignorance is shown. While millions of dollars keep getting blown. The pack is led by a man named Sutton. They voted him in, for punishment they're gluttons.

    With a knife to a gunfight, a poor sap they'll send. To watch the children they seek to defend. Oh when oh when will smart heads prevail. And decisions be made that aren't doomed to fail." - briansasser99

    CLASSIC!

  • Dnut Jan 22, 7:19 p.m.

    I'm courious. What political philosophy do all these shooters seem to lean towards, left or right? There has to be a common denominator.
    paultaylorsr100
    .....yeah, it's called the CRAZY denominator...what are you stuck on stupid or WHAT?

  • Dnut Jan 22, 7:18 p.m.

    What are all the cops doing all day?
    shotgun_willie
    .......patroling the county and handling regular and ongoing crimes...

  • Nancy Jan 22, 7:15 p.m.

    "School board Chairman Keith Sutton said the proposal needs more discussion before a vote"

    Just WHAT is there to discuss??

  • Bartmeister Jan 22, 7:12 p.m.

    Ok, all you know-it-alls. Do you know why the school board is considering this? Do you know what the outcome was of the review of the district's security policy? No? Then you haven't a clue why they want to do this, so instead of criticizing them, you need to be criticizing WRAL for not digging out this important information. jcthai

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    Don't know and really don't need to know. The vote on the issue at hand will not be decided on these boards. This is a blog for people to sound off and express their views, not that it counts. This plan by ANY accounts is flawed terribly and a waste of money. You see just because you play fantasy football, it still doesn't make you the real coach. Get it?

  • geosol Jan 22, 7:11 p.m.

    Here's an idea; if the little right wingers want armed guards in our elementary schools so bad, let's put 'em there. And let's actually PAY for them (wingers aren't so good at that) with a surtax on their precious assault rifles and high cap clips! Either that or make the NRA pay for them nationwide, since they are the biggest impediment to sensible controls. And yes, wingers, i intentionally used the terms "assault rifle" and "clip" so that the wingers can start screeching about the meaningless debate over their terminology.

  • shotgun_willie Jan 22, 7:09 p.m.

    What are all the cops doing all day?

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