There are OLD guns that can go off if you drop em (or possibly slam it down on a table hard, which is possible here)... which is yet another good reason not to transport them loaded like this guy did.

Just about anything made even vaguely recently would have a number of safety features to make that impossible though.

Whoever discharged the weapon is the one at fault or both are at fault if there is a rule regarding weapons need to be unloaded prior to showing up at the Gun Show. Remember Firearm handling rule number #1.

"Regardless of its true state, GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED!!!!"

"A gun doesn't just "Go off" that trigger had to have been pulled by someone." - heat764

Well, we use to have an old 16ga single shot that didn't need a trigger pull. All you had to do was think about it. "Hey, is that shotgun in the closet?" BOOM! Seriously though, you could could pull back the hammer, then just bump the stock on the floor and it would fire. My Grandpa found the shotgun in a ditch somewhere, many moons ago. My brother has it now.

"firstly it rarely happens" - Grand Union

Wrong. It happens thousands upon thousands of times, even in our local WRAL arena. You ignore it because it goes against your religion.

"its impossible to prove that it ever happens" - Grand Union

People can use the same flawed and warped logic to say we shouldn't have any gun regulations because you can't prove all the shootings from here on out will be deadly.

"data that shows that owning a gun makes you 3X more likely to get shot than not owning one." - Grand Union

Incorrect. Well, I guess I should say that the "data" is incorrect. It might show it, but it's flawed and full of errors, which has been pointed out to you many times before. But such is the nature of religion.

"really what are the odds of you ever needing an AR-15 to fight of bad guy with AK??????" - Grand Union

Specifically against an AK? Probably not very high. But used in common house defense, about the same as any other gun.

"are those odds worth one kids life let alone 20????" - Grand Union

First you're talking odds, now you're talking numbers. Can't do that. You also have to express the odds of a kid getting shot with an AR-15.

"LOl a lot more people go to the state fair than to your hobby show so it may well be that this one incident makes you statistically more at risk that at the fair." - Grand Union

They have multiple shows. At least EIGHT scheduled for 2013. What numbers did you use for your calculations? And are you factoring in all the incidents at the State Fair? The stabbings, etc.?

A gun doesn't just "Go off" that trigger had to have been pulled by someone. So was it the retired cop who pulled the trigger? I'm sure the retired cop won't be charged with anything even if it was his fault. Probably the guy who showed up with it loaded will get nailed to the wall. Because we all know cops aren't guilty right? its evil gun owners who should suffer right?

According to some eye witnesses to the event, the retired (but in uniform?) cop pulled the trigger. The truth is out there somewhere. Also, GRNC points out that the mgmt and security at the NC State Fairgrounds had no authority to close the show or disallow people bringing in their guns for show or sale.

according to N.C. Gen. Stat. 14-402(a) it is a Class 2 Misdemeanor for anyone to transfer ownership of a handgun..including inherited...without a permit issued by the Sheriff's Dept. unless the person purchasing has a concealed carry permit.-dsalter

Yes... a _handgun_... which I already mentioned like 3 times. That's a state, not federal, requirement so it's only true in NC (and a handfull of other states with state-level laws on this) All OTHER guns there's no check, and no paperwork, whatsoever, required for private sale.

Junkmail, they don't market guns for self protection?- Bill Brasky Sure, which is STOPPING OTHERS FROM KILLING YOU. Just like cars kill lots of people with their size, but they market the size as making YOU safer.

There are laws depending on what town you are in-Bill Brasky

Really? Again, show me where private personal pools (which are most of em) require lifeguards. You can't of course- so why are you against banning pools, since they kill more than ARs do?

Saturday's incident did widescale damage and set back the gun rights movement. First and foremost, three persons were injured. Inexcusable! And now, the media frenzy. We have CNN to capitalize on the misfortune of those three. We have Bloomberg and the Prezzydent looking down their noses at us NCarolinians as if we were a bunch of yahoos. If I were a rich northern politician, I'd be paying people to do these things.

Here's your sign.

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