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msnfnp Jan 21, 9:25 a.m.
FYI, there IS thimerosal-free flu vaccine. You just have to ask for it.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 7:52 p.m.
TV_D_SEAT...I stand somewhat corrected. I DO know of all these things, however, EVERYTHING we take down to simple pain relievers like Tylenol, etc has chemicals and possible side effects but the benefits outweigh the risks. That is the nature of medicine. Unless you never take anything whatsoever for anything you take that risk everytime. GBS from the flu shot it not a "common" occurance and the most common reactions are not what I call "real" harm as they are MUCH less serious than the flu itself.
TVs_Deceit Jan 18, 7:38 p.m.
..flu virus in the vaccine are inactivated with formaldehyde and preserved with Thimerosal, which is a mercury derivative.
The most common reactions, which begin within 12 hours of vaccination and can last several days are: fever, fatigue, painful joints and headache.
The most serious reaction that has been associated with flu vaccine is Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) which occurs most often within two to four weeks of vaccination. GBS is an immune mediated nerve disorder characterized by muscle weakness, unsteady gait, numbness, tingling, pain and sometimes paralysis of one or more limbs or the face. Recovery takes several months and can include residual disability. Less than 5 percent of GBS cases end in death.
Brain and nerve disorders such as encephalopathy, optic neuritis, partial facial paralysis, and brachial plexus neuropathy as well as vasculitis have also been reported following the flu vaccine, although a definite causal relationship has no been established.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 6:56 p.m.
TV_D_Seat...I'm not aware that the flu shot poses any real harm if you're not allergic to eggs or have any conditions that would contraindicate getting the shot. You should always be asked to fill out a questionnaire before getting it to avoid those issues. That's my point.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 6:52 p.m.
TV_D_Seat...I don't quite understand how it can do any real harm if you have no allergies to any of its contents nor any pre-existing condition that would contraindicate it. I have never heard of any if there is. That's my point.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 6:49 p.m.
heelsgirl05...LOL! Didn't catch that...good one.
TVs_Deceit Jan 18, 6:14 p.m.
Well, if Religious Belief is an exemption, you all are welcome to join my Christ-centered Church. If you're already a member of one that you don't want to leave, I don't see any problem with being a member of both.
Frankly, both sides of the issue can put forth reasonable arguments why they're right. But the fact of the matter is it's still a gamble whether it will do more harm than good.
Forgo the injection, wear a mask, and everyone is happy.
heelsgirl05 Jan 18, 5:49 p.m.
dontgetmestarted, the inpatient stay was a reference to Wakemed's recent run-in with medicare fraud where they billed outpatient procedures as inpatient ones so they could get more money.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 5:32 p.m.
killing time...I agree!...True, you are essentially exposed to everyone in the ER regardless but you are in direct contact with your caregiver.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 5:30 p.m.
Scubagirl, well said. As most anyone (especially adults) should know, we all have to do things we don't particularly want to from time to time but that's just life. You learn to suck it up and press onward. My son did just that when he realized he was getting the flu shot because mom said so. You know what...he realized it wasn't all that bad and never shed a tear. He's 8yrs old......
Killing Time Jan 18, 5:22 p.m.
"Killing time, if you go to an ER full of sick people then expect to get sick. The employees who work there are the least of your problems."
No they're just as much of a concern, if not more, because they are the ones who will be poking and prodding me. People are also contagious for a few days before symptoms even show up.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 5:03 p.m.
bgibson3...why would employees need to be in-patients just from getting a flu shot?!
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 5:02 p.m.
ncmedic201...I wouldn't be at work if I got the flu either, but that also decreases the amount of staff available to care for the sick and injured and we both should know you can spread a virus well before you ever get the symptoms.
Scubagirl Jan 18, 4:52 p.m.
"I can't imagine someone working in healthcare, and not WANTING the protection afforded by a vaccination! fredk"
EXACTLY!!! But there will be more naysayers commenting than those who agree with it. And since this is a right to work state I believe that allows employers to fire for any reason, including not getting a required shot.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:51 p.m.
I don't think you can build a natural immunity to the flu as there are just too many strains. They manufacture the "shot" based on which strain they see as most prevalent. People should be aware of the side effects before getting the shot and we have to answer a questionnaire to be sure we don't have any allergies, conditions etc...that could be made worse before we are given the shot. The exemptions are things like allergies, preexisting conditions that would contraindicate getting the shot or things like religious beliefs. All have to be verified by a physician, clergy, etc... No one is FORCED to get it. You get it or wear a mask if you are exempt or get a job elsewhere. Simple. You don't like the pay you get, work somewhere you can. You don't want the flu shot, work somewhere that doesn't require it. America the beautiful.
bgibson3 Jan 18, 4:48 p.m.
Will the employees then be charged the "in-patient" rate for an overnight stay at Wake Med;-)
Killing Time Jan 18, 4:47 p.m.
"Are people aware of the side effects from the flu vaccination? No drug is 100% without side effects. You're going to take a shot that has a 61% chance of reducing your illness for 1 day, and risk injury to yourself? Why not just take the infection and build a natural immunity to it that will last a lifetime?"
You won't have lifetime immunity if you get the infection. The flu mutates too much for that to happen. Don't get it if you don't want to, but don't whine to your family about how bad it is when you get it.
Barfly Jan 18, 4:46 p.m.
"Are people aware of the side effects from the flu vaccination? No drug is 100% without side effects. You're going to take a shot that has a 61% chance of reducing your illness for 1 day, and risk injury to yourself? Why not just take the infection and build a natural immunity to it that will last a lifetime?" michaelwralcom
Not not about YOU...it's about you NOT spreading the flu and killing a few patients.
ncmedic201 Jan 18, 4:46 p.m.
fredk, I work in healthcare, have only had the flu shot once and have never had the flu before. Just because you get the shot it doesn't mean you won't get the flu. There are many strains and only some that are encompassed into the vaccine. If I did end up with the flu do you really think I'm going to be at work??
ncmedic201 Jan 18, 4:44 p.m.
Killing time, if you go to an ER full of sick people then expect to get sick. The employees who work there are the least of your problems.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:43 p.m.
...people play the lottery and waste millions of dollers everyday with MUCH lower odds than the 50%/61% accuracy rates of flu shots...
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:40 p.m.
Capitals Fan...birthcontrol is at times ineffective, still a good idea to use it. Also, if you got the flu twice after getting the shot you either were already exposed to the virus before getting the shot or possibly got a different strain of the flu than what the shot covered. You likely got a milder case than you would have gotten without the flu so you may be lucky. I really don't understand the big opposition. Much worse things in the world than whining over a shot that my 8yr old got and said "uh, that wasn't much..." after not really wanting to get it. I never made him get it till this year. I've just seen too many cases this year NOT to have him get it. I'd rather know I did everything I could to protect him should he get it than to say...I wish, I wonder, what if... I've ALWAYS gotten it since I graduated college and began working in the healthcare field as a means of protecting myself and my patients. Just part of good patient care in my opinion.
michaelwralcom Jan 18, 4:37 p.m.
What are the types of exemptions available?
Are people aware of the side effects from the flu vaccination? No drug is 100% without side effects. You're going to take a shot that has a 61% chance of reducing your illness for 1 day, and risk injury to yourself? Why not just take the infection and build a natural immunity to it that will last a lifetime?
Killing Time Jan 18, 4:35 p.m.
"So glad I no longer work there! How can any employer FORCE it's employees to get something that most of us do not want to put in our bodies?"
Because those of us who end up in emergency care don't want to catch the flu on top of whatever other ailment we might have. Like the article stated, you don't have to get the shot. You'll just have to wear a mask all day.
Also, for those going on about the gov't, how is that relevant at all? WakeMed is not affiliated with the gov't at ALL.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:34 p.m.
Getting the flu shot is like wearing a seatbelt. No, wearing a seatbelt will not guarantee you will NOT get hurt nor killed in an automobile accident but it WILL reduce injuries AND save lives in the MAJORITY of accidents where they are worn. Flu shots are the same, they are not 100% effective but they sure do help reduce the severity of the illness and can save lives. Law requires you to wear a seatbelt....
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:23 p.m.
Schools require certain shots to attend some even are controversial in the side effects they possibly cause. The flu shot cannot give you the flu so why is it so horrible that the government or anyone else requires you to get it when possible symptoms (which I have never had one) are mild? Working in a hospital we are exposed to sick people everyday, that is what we do everyday. I get the flu shot not only to protect myself from what I'm exposed to everyday but also to protect my patients that are coming in with other injuries, etc. and especially my own family! I don't want to bring anything home from work to my family. I wash my hands constantly which is the number 1 way to prevent the flu and many illnesses but it's not the only way. As far as 61%/50% accuracy rates...that's better than 0%. I'd take those odds to a poker game anyday.
Capitals Fan Jan 18, 4:18 p.m.
Why? The flu shot has been proven to be ineffective. I got the flu twice after getting the shot. The CDC even inflates the numbers to say it's 61% effective.
Also, will WakeMed just expense all the shots to Medicare and apologize years later?
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 4:13 p.m.
exposure102/MarvinsWife12 I completely understand your point about jobs being tied to certain things or employers requiring certain things as a condition of employment but when you work for someone else there is always a condition or requirement of some kind. I read an interesting comment on another news site that was reporting that 29 or 30 kids have already died from the flu this year and over 40% of those cases that required hospitalization were not kids that had other underlying conditions that would have made them more at risk and someone made an interesting point. That's more than the number of kids that died in the horrible Newtown tragedy and people are so ready for the government to step in and regulate what guns citizens can own (not to be supporting nor opposing that topic here) but likely would be opposed to schools/government requiring that all kids/people in general who are not allergic, or for whatever reason cannot, get the flu shot to prevent unneccessary deaths from
yesimagirl Jan 18, 4:10 p.m.
I REALLY don't understand the fuss. Get the dang shot. Different fields of work have different requirements of employees to meet a minimum standard. You choose the work, you choose the standard. Some people just look to create drama.
My husband works in healthcare and is required to have the shot. He would have gotten it anyway because it's best for him and the elderly folks he works with.
dontgetmestarted Jan 18, 3:59 p.m.
I work at a hospital that already requires it and has for the past 2yrs. It is a condition of employment but it is not forced. You have the option to get it or work somewhere else. The flu shot is a killed virus therefore it is impossible to get the flu from the shot so it's not related to the increase in the number of people with the flu. The shot will not absolutely keep you from getting the flu as there are many many strains of the flu but it will keep you from getting as sick as you would have gotten without it on top of decreasing the length of illness by 1 day. This alone saves many lives by decreasing the severity of the illness in those who get the shot that may have otherwise gotten a much worse case of it. I have no problem getting a flu shot because my employer requires it, they could ask me to do much worse things. I would think the general public would be appreciative that the hospitals/healthcare providers are requiring this in an effort to protect THEM.
OGE Jan 18, 3:58 p.m.
Unslaved Jan 18, 3:58 p.m.
Big Pharma Rules.
RN2005 Jan 18, 3:45 p.m.
So glad I no longer work there! How can any employer FORCE it's employees to get something that most of us do not want to put in our bodies? The flu vaccine as at best at 61% chance of preventing the flu per the CDC. If you do your own research; you'll find that more accurate number is below 50%.
sunshine1040 Jan 18, 3:44 p.m.
The US goverment has been requiring people to get shots for many years even went so far as to say your friends and neighbors have selected you to serve our country. Made you get hair cuts shots shave and even told you what to wear and what time to get up.
isolde36 Jan 18, 3:44 p.m.
I can't believe they weren't already requiring it.
Barfly Jan 18, 3:33 p.m.
It's about time. Some folks refuse the flu shot because they just don't like getting shots or claim the vaccine gives them the flu. If employees doesn't care about their own well being, they should at least care for the patients they serve.
I know some stuff Jan 18, 3:28 p.m.
I can't imagine someone working in healthcare, and not WANTING the protection afforded by a vaccination!
exposure102 Jan 18, 2:57 p.m.
Wow...as much as I hate unions...looks like it's time to organize at WakeMed. Your job should not be tied to a government serum with a lousy success rate. The way I see it, the flu keeps growing as the number of people who get the shot increases.
MarvinsWife12 Jan 18, 2:50 p.m.
Is this legal? How can an employer require an employee to put something in their body, they don't want in their body? When I got the flu, the doctor told me the flu shot shortens your recovery by 1 day. 1 day! Is this about patients or about WakeMed not losing money to employees for sick days?
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03