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  • renaissancemon Jan 22, 8:44 a.m.

    > Are you really defending a criminal here that pulled out a gun and started shooting at police because they were trying to serve a warrant?

    Are you really defending for cops to break in with assault weapons pointed instead of knocking? Is that how YOU would want a warrant served on YOURSELF? Don't say you're innocent and therefore you could never possibly become a suspect. Suspects are presumably innocent.

    >If you are a calm person and open the door when asked, they will show you the warrant.

    THE COPS BREAK IN, there is no "asking" and "opening". I oppose this policy because it is an initiation of violence.

  • renaissancemon Jan 22, 8:38 a.m.

    >> How are you supposed to know they are not just SAYING they have a warrant?

    > Soooo, your advice is to open fire first?

    No my advice is not to initiate violence. The cops initiated violence if they broke in with rifles pointed. That breaking and entering, and assault with deadly weapons.

    > Why don't you become a LEO and walk down a warrant while underfire.

    Retaliation against an initiation of violence can be defensible. That is why it is crucial to recognize if the police initiated the violence.

    Incidentally I served in the army. But even if I'm not brave, cops are paid to be brave. They used to be brave enough to presume innocence by knocking instead of breaking in. I want to go back to that policy.

    Now that I've answered your question are you going to answer mine?

  • Plenty Coups Jan 18, 7:22 p.m.

    "Since it has been proven by FBI stats that rifles are used in just 3% of violent crime, there is a 97% chance that he was not using a rifle of any kind."

    It doesn't work like that.

  • lilearl76 Jan 18, 7:15 p.m.

    if someone comes and kicks in your door at 5 in the morning, whats the first thing running through your mind?someone's trying to rob me....as American's we have a right to protect our homes...if this dude had known they were cops he wouldn't have fired at them..sad story..feel even worse for the officers cause they know they didn't follow proper procedure and their hearts are torn...praying for the cops and the deceased man's family..

  • Offshore Jan 18, 7:08 p.m.

    renaissancemon:How are you supposed to know they are not just SAYING they have a warrant?

    Soooo, your advice is to open fire first? Then ask to see the warrant? Here's a thought, step outside the door, and ask the officer to see the warrant. They will show it to you, and in your case, they'll even let you put the handcuffs on yourself!

    Again renaissancemon, "It is so cowardly. I want cops who are braver than that"

    So I take it you are sooo brave. Why don't you become a LEO and walk down a warrant while underfire. The saddest part is, they actually let people like you vote.

  • randrmomanddad Jan 18, 6:05 p.m.

    Good job to the law enforement folk's...keep it up.!!!!

  • randrmomanddad Jan 18, 5:59 p.m.

    Like most criminals he probably didn't think they would shoot back...good job to the law enforcement folks.!!!!

  • WASP Jan 18, 5:49 p.m.

    Good for the LEO's. Glad they were not hurt. I am sure the Anti-gunners will make some big deal out of this.

  • smcallah Jan 18, 5:49 p.m.

    "How are you supposed to know they are not just SAYING they have a warrant? They refuse to let you read it before carrying it out. "

    Are you really defending a criminal here that pulled out a gun and started shooting at police because they were trying to serve a warrant?

    If you are a calm person and open the door when asked, they will show you the warrant. It is not legal to "defend" yourself against police if they break down your door in the line of duty.

    If they did not have a warrant and do this, do you think that a judge would let them out of that? Do you think the SBI would? The SBI has to investigate this shooting. If there was no warrant involved, the department would be in pretty big trouble.

  • smcallah Jan 18, 5:43 p.m.

    "OK, how many want to bet he was using an assault weapon? Regardless, way to go, Deputies!! More drugs off the street!"

    Since it has been proven by FBI stats that rifles are used in just 3% of violent crime, there is a 97% chance that he was not using a rifle of any kind.

    But since you said "assault weapon" that would be any kind of "weapon" used to "assault" someone. So maybe you're right.

  • the river rat Jan 18, 4:55 p.m.

    Youtube video of NBC News anchor specifying the AR-15 was not used in the school shooting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVdseArgK9I

    I expect the machine quickly squashed this story. Doesn't fit their agenda.

  • renaissancemon Jan 18, 4:51 p.m.

    Let me guess, the cops initiated the violence, by breaking in with assault rifles pointed at the presumably innocent suspect, before he fired at them. Isn't that correct? And everyone knows it, so it isn't ever even mentioned in the stories of drug raids anymore?

    How are you supposed to know they are not just SAYING they have a warrant? They refuse to let you read it before carrying it out. It is so cowardly. I want cops who are braver than that.

    The very word RAID is a MILITARY term. It does not belong in law enforcement operations, unless there is already something like a hostage situation going on!

  • Relic Jan 18, 4:44 p.m.

    Once again, folks getting off track on the issue here. Officers went to serve a warrant. Shootout ensues. Suspect is killed. Officers go home safe but victimized by the shooter forcing them to use deadly force, which no officer wants to do. Win for officers. End of story.

  • the river rat Jan 18, 4:42 p.m.

    Could we get a source? I've looked for the report and can't find it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ct-school-shooter-made-combat-weapon-article-1.1220431

    "Wearing a military-style vest, Adam Lanza killed his mother at their house, then stormed into Sandy Hook Elementary School carrying a Glock 9 mm handgun, a SIG Sauer handgun, killing 26 people, including 20 children, before turning the gun on himself. The two pistols were found inside the school and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle was found in the back of his mother's car in the parking lot."

  • r u crazy too Jan 18, 4:32 p.m.

    MitziGaynor: Don't think "that guy" has actually banned anything. The ban was back in '94 and has been expired for years. The president is only proposing some stuff. The only people talking about taking away 2nd amendment "rights" are the gun people. There's been NO talk from the "liberal left" about taking away your guns.

  • OleNCNative Jan 18, 3:44 p.m.

    Funny , But an AR-15 was never used in in Newtons grove. Per the Newton Grove Police and coroners report
    COOPER SHELDON COOPER

    Could we get a source? I've looked for the report and can't find it.

  • sctech Jan 18, 3:43 p.m.

    Two people serving a search warrant? That's dangerous enough right there.

  • OleNCNative Jan 18, 3:19 p.m.

    Funny , But an AR-15 was never used in in Newtons grove. One was found in the trunk but it was never fired. Per the Newton Grove Police and coroners report COOPER SHELDON COOPER

    Can you give us a source?

  • junkmail5 Jan 18, 3:10 p.m.

    Here's the video if you wanna see it-

    http://www.patriotthoughts.com/2013/01/10/rifle-found-in-lanzas-trunk-not-a-bushmaster/

    It's a shotgun in the trunk.

    The bushmaster was used inside the school, exactly in line with the autopsy info.

    None of that means we ought ban ARs, they're used in less than 1% of all crime... and there's lots of good arguments to be made against a ban.

    None of them include crazy conspiracy theories that hang their hat on reporters right after the shooting being confused about what gun was what.

  • gopher27 Jan 18, 3:06 p.m.

    "wish they would make illegal to shoot people. If they passed a law telling us that it was illegal to shoot people, all the law abiding citizens would follow the law. That would solve the problem of criminals and the mentally ill from trying to hurt people.
    pinball wizard"
    I really hope this was a sarcastic joke because it is already illegal to shoot someone unless you are protecting yourself or a third party from the threat of deadly force or imminent danger to life. Of course you are not to be in the act of committing a crime yourself when you shoot.

  • junkmail5 Jan 18, 3:06 p.m.

    Funny , But an AR-15 was never used in in Newtons grove. One was found in the trunk but it was never fired. Per the Newton Grove Police and coroners report
    COOPER SHELDON COOPER

    Uh... the coroners report was pretty clear an AR-15 was used.

    And what they found in the trunk was a shotgun.

    You can tell, because there's a video of it, and it's very very obviously a shotgun.

  • Paul M Jan 18, 2:52 p.m.

    @ Crumps BrOther. Sooo True

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 18, 2:39 p.m.

    Funny , But an AR-15 was never used in in Newtons grove. One was found in the trunk but it was never fired. Per the Newton Grove Police and coroners report
    COOPER SHELDON COOPER

    so the information has been changed a month after the fact. What was it Mark Twain said about the difference between the lie and the truth? The bad information is out there and things are rolling, sides are chosen. Too late for the facts to make a difference now. The media knows this.

  • pinball wizard Jan 18, 2:38 p.m.

    I wish they would make illegal to shoot people. If they passed a law telling us that it was illegal to shoot people, all the law abiding citizens would follow the law. That would solve the problem of criminals and the mentally ill from trying to hurt people.

  • shanemane1986 Jan 18, 2:37 p.m.

    So if criminals have AR's and I have an AK, what does that make me? A terrorist?!?

  • farm Jan 18, 2:14 p.m.

    Hey Crumps, they would not say all criminals have ar-15's.... they would say that all that have ar-15's are criminals.

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 18, 1:53 p.m.

    Actually you weren't told that, but you chose to hear that. Cause Rush said so. Not all criminals have AR-15's. You just want to think so, so you can make a point.
    prodigalrn

    Huh? When did Rush say that?(I dont listen to him) He is pro gun as far as I could tell the times Ive heard him, so he for sure wouldnt spread the idea that only criminals have AR's, that would strictly be a liberal thing because it would make a better argument for taking them away. I can see liberal pundits like Ronald Maddow, Sped Schultz, and Tingles Matthews spreading misinformation about all criminals having AR's though.

  • Paul M Jan 18, 1:49 p.m.

    Funny , But an AR-15 was never used in in Newtons grove. One was found in the trunk but it was never fired. Per the Newton Grove Police and coroners report

  • happygirl584u Jan 18, 1:42 p.m.

    GOOD JOB HALIFAX SHERIFF OFFICE!

  • MitziGaynor Jan 18, 1:39 p.m.

    Actually you weren't told that, but you chose to hear that. Cause Rush said so. Not all criminals have AR-15's. You just want to think so, so you can make a point.

    prodigalrn

    Acutally NO, that is why "that guy" banned them. That guy, your president, said they were used. Your president is the fear monger, anti-2nd amendment kook. And that guy is just chipping away, he will continue to constrain the 2nd amendment until it's null and void. Sort of like the way HE LIED through health-non-car law, tax, unconstitutional piece of useless legislation.

  • beachboater Jan 18, 1:24 p.m.

    You don't win by shooting at police......EVER!!!

  • br549znc Jan 18, 1:22 p.m.

    Good shot.

  • awr117 Jan 18, 1:19 p.m.

    "how many want to bet he was using an assault weapon"

    If so, how many cops did he kill with that weapon of mass destruction?

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 18, 1:18 p.m.

    Lesson learned, Don't shoot at the police- they shoot back, and are usually better armed, trained and better shots than the average criminal types.
    dwntwnboy2

    I dont understand, because for the past month we have been told that all criminals have military issued weapons and heavy armored equipment so we have to ban them to protect the children. Are you saying this isnt true?

  • dwntwnboy2 Jan 18, 12:54 p.m.

    Lesson learned, Don't shoot at the police- they shoot back, and are usually better armed, trained and better shots than the average criminal types.

  • Bartmeister Jan 18, 11:49 a.m.

    Another one bites the dust...........

  • OleNCNative Jan 18, 11:41 a.m.

    Never a slow day in RoRap.

  • Goalieman Jan 18, 11:39 a.m.

    OK, how many want to bet he was using an assault weapon? Regardless, way to go, Deputies!! More drugs off the street!

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