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  • DrJ Jan 23, 3:40 p.m.

    I have a friend that was working at a polling site checking voters in. He happened to notice in a line near his a man that had come through his line the day before. When he tried to point out that the man could not vote twice, he was told by the people in charge to keep it to himself. "That happens all the time."

    We all know why certain people oppose picture ID's to vote. It's time we quit letting them stand on their absurd arguments.

  • lumberman Jan 21, 4:28 p.m.

    Voter ID should not be an issue. People on welfare send them one with their next check. Old folks send them one with their next SS check. Illegals they can pick theirs up at the closest democratic headquarters. That covers most people that are worried about people not being able to afford a photo ID

  • Jan 21, 2:00 p.m.

    I think we all should have to provide picture ID to vote. We show it now at the theatre - bank - department store etc. Why not as important as voting is it is an honor to void.

  • skeeter II Jan 18, 6:54 p.m.

    Sure would like to know by county where the 600,000 live! Also, would like to have a county by age groups -- less than 20, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49. etc.

    Also has anyone considered that some of the 600,000 may not be eligible to vote, but did? Is any followup work being done on the 600,000 to identify why they did not have licenses.

    Could we go the other way and identify how many licensed drivers are not registered to vote?

  • krimson Jan 17, 11:10 p.m.

    BTW, I generally agree with Voter ID. I just don't want to see anybody get disenfranchised...

  • krimson Jan 17, 11:09 p.m.

    "Requiring voter id is the only way to guarantee that the election is a clean election without people voting fraudulently."

    Agreed that proper ID of a Voter is paramount, but there are other ways to verify a person is who they claim. Every time I've voted in NC, there was a lap-top in front of the poll-worker. What is to stop the BOE from accessing DMV and viewing my photo? There is no need to show an ID, the poll-worker can tell right away if I'm who I say I am.

    We already have the pieces in place to counter fraud. Whether or not we use it (I believe we do) is probably a function of time vs. money vs. risk of fraud...

    I think that before we really progress with this discussion we need more info: a statistical analysis of how many potential voter could be disenfranchised vs the number of potential fraud stopped, and the real in-depth review of how BOE goes about confirming Registration Forms and then again verifying the Voter at the poll.

    Cheers!

  • jackylieq Jan 17, 10:40 p.m.

    Fingerprints ... everybody has those....

  • joewalsh Jan 17, 8:22 p.m.

    If so many people have no id how do they work? How do they do anything? If I try to write a check at the grocery store they want id. If I try to get a job they want it. If I try to use my credit card sometimes I need to show id. But to vote all I need to do is say who I am? Just stupid. You should show id!

  • superman Jan 17, 7:44 p.m.

    How about giving the voter a pin number. But I like the idea of requiring an ID.

  • oleguy Jan 17, 5:58 p.m.

    How many people dont have an ID, 600,000 I think not, Younger people have school ID, and the older crowd that has ever visited a doctor have ID,,,Our govt trying to spend mors money we dont have,,, If you wanta vote get an ID,, Duh

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 4:51 p.m.

    "I know this is going to be hard for some people to understand, but fake registrations don't change the outcome of elections. Fake registrations are typically thrown out (since they are fake) by the BOE once the verification process starts. And since those registrations don't go through, those people that faked the applications cannot vote under those names."

    How does the BOE know the registration is invalid?

    The BOE does not validate the information given in a voter registration unless someone questions the registration.

    Once a registration is in the system, it's almost impossible to get it removed.

    My dad died in 2006 in North Carolina, I had to specifically request in 2012 to get his registration removed so that nobody could vote on his behalf.

    Unfortunately, the cemetery is registered to vote in North Carolina.

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 4:48 p.m.

    "IMO, the real question is are we prepared to take away someone's Right b/c they don't have a piece of paper? Wouldn't requiring a piece of paper just demean that Right and make it a Privilege?"

    Requiring the piece of paper protects your right to vote. Your right to vote is stolen if someone who's voting fraudulently cancels out our vote because of their vote.

    Requiring voter id is the only way to guarantee that the election is a clean election without people voting fraudulently.

    Until that happens, there is always the question in people's mind whether or not the winner really won the election.

    Seeing that there were precincts in Philadelphia that had 0 people vote for Romney which is statistically impossible and precincts in Florida and Ohio that had over 100% of the registered voters voting and in one instance 140% of the registered voters voted. It's easy for people to believe that Obama through Acorn and the SEIU stole the election in 2012.

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 4:42 p.m.

    ""If you know your neighbor isn't going to vote, it's so easy to vote for your neighbor because all you need to know is their name and address."

    Fair enough... But what's to stop someone from making a fake ID that says they are their neighbor???"

    Making a fake drivers license is somewhat of a challenge.

    Also, if you were voting several times because of all of the fake registrations from Acorn and SEIU, you would have spent a lot of time to get that large of a number of fake drivers license.

    Also, there are devices which the airports use which read the barcode on the back and determine whether or not the license is valid.

    Plus we should shorten or eliminate early voting because it allows those engaging in fraudulent behavior to have lots of time to accomplish their voter fraud.

    Voting should be moved from Tuesday when people work to include one weekend for both Saturday and Sunday.

    That way there is almost no justification for early voting.

  • krimson Jan 17, 4:14 p.m.

    "fraudulent registrations created by Acorn"

    I know this is going to be hard for some people to understand, but fake registrations don't change the outcome of elections. Fake registrations are typically thrown out (since they are fake) by the BOE once the verification process starts. And since those registrations don't go through, those people that faked the applications cannot vote under those names.

    Hypothetically, let's say someone were to get a fake application through the system. Why would they not create a fake ID to go along with it, if they were required to show one to vote???

  • krimson Jan 17, 4:11 p.m.

    "If you know your neighbor isn't going to vote, it's so easy to vote for your neighbor because all you need to know is their name and address."

    Fair enough... But what's to stop someone from making a fake ID that says they are their neighbor???

  • krimson Jan 17, 4:10 p.m.

    "The real question is how many people don't have a picture ID."

    IMO, the real question is are we prepared to take away someone's Right b/c they don't have a piece of paper? Wouldn't requiring a piece of paper just demean that Right and make it a Privilege?

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 3:46 p.m.

    The real question is how many people don't have a picture ID.

    My 80 year old mom has a picture ID from the state because she can't conduct business with the bank, etc.... without one.

    Anybody who has a drivers license has a picture ID. A picture ID is required to cash a check at a bank and conduct business with the bank. You can't fly on an airplane without an ID. You can't buy a home without some sort of ID (picture ID). You can't buy a car without a drivers license (picture ID). You can't buy cigarettes, beer, wine, and liquor without a picture ID. You can't rent a home/apartment without some sort of ID (picture ID). Lots of stores require an ID to use a credit card.

    The story that the democrats are spewing about the poor and african americans not having a picture ID doesn't make sense.

    Bet they have one when it's time to cash the government entitlement check.

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 3:41 p.m.

    "I'm going to guess that BOE has safeguards in place that make these kind of things irrelevant??? Last time I voted, I spoke to several people that all verified my ID, scanned the few forms I signed, and scanned my ballot... All before I even put pen to paper...

    YMMV..."

    Not if you voted in North Carolina. I was told by the person that gave me my ballot that it was illegal to ask for an ID when I offered mine and they refused to look at it.

    In Wake County, they first ask you your name. They then ask you to verify your address. They then give you your ballot.

    If you know your neighbor isn't going to vote, it's so easy to vote for your neighbor because all you need to know is their name and address.

  • Sherlock Jan 17, 3:40 p.m.

    Why should I do that, I get to vote several times without one.

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 3:38 p.m.

    "OK McBerger, you have already put more folks on welfare by cutting their unemployment benefits. They have fewer dollars for basic necessities. Now you're going to make them get a voter ID card that will probably necessitate getting a certified copy of a birth certificate which means they have to contact the state vital records office of the state where they were born. And of course for a certified copy, that state has a charge of anywhere between $20 and $50. So they have to fill out the application, mail it off with their non-existent "extra" money lying around just to appease the republicans. Most will think it's just not worth it, which is the never-admitted intent of voter ID cards to begin with.
    benhansen74"

    This issue created by the Democrats to protect the fraudulent registrations created by Acorn and the SEIU is a non-issue.

    Most people have a picture ID. If you drive you have a picture ID. A picture ID is required to use a bank, etc...

    How many don't have a picture ID?

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 17, 3:36 p.m.

    The UN observers who observed the election last November were surprised that we didn't require a picture ID to vote.

    The ones fighting the voter ID are using race as an issue.

    In reality, the democrats know that the fraudulent voter registrations done by acorn and the seiu in 2008 when Obama first ran for President can't be used anymore to commit voter fraud if a picture ID is required to vote.

  • 20K Jan 17, 2:18 p.m.

    When you go to the DMV you must show two forms of ID, know the road signs and know how to drive then pass a test before you get your license. Isn't voting just as important? Voters should also have to show ID and have a little knowledge about the people that are on the ballot before they vote!!!

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 17, 1:51 p.m.

    . All to address a virtually nonexistent problem. Way to go GOP!
    goldenosprey

    There has to be more to this though, the left is reall stalwart on this issue. Is the lack of a government issued ID a stereotype in some way?

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 17, 1:48 p.m.

    ... This will also require added state staff to be paid and office spaced. It will still fire up progressive groups to really push the elderly, student and blind to vote so the whole suppression thing may backfire. All to address a virtually nonexistent problem. Way to go GOP!
    goldenosprey

    all I read in all of that was jobs and revenue. Lets do it!
    yah I still dont understand all the crying about voter suppression if there is no voter fraud. But the fraud and suppression arguments always comes down to "a guy I know"

  • krimson Jan 17, 12:04 p.m.

    Why can't the BOE just compare my real face to one on a computer screen provided by DMV, instead of relying on a piece of paper that can be easily faked in any college dorm room by enterprising underage drinkers???

    And why can't the State use the ID is issues already when someone registers to vote, namely the Voter Card. It has a bar-code on the back, why doesn't the State check it, or even require that I bring it to the Polling Station???

    And how do we pay for this???

    I'm going to guess that BOE has safeguards in place that make these kind of things irrelevant??? Last time I voted, I spoke to several people that all verified my ID, scanned the few forms I signed, and scanned my ballot... All before I even put pen to paper...

    YMMV...

  • goldenosprey Jan 17, 11:01 a.m.

    CrumpsBr0, buying liquor or cigs does not have the Constitutional protection of voting. The right to vote is guaranteed, dare I say it is an "entitlement." (shudder!)
    Since Berger wants to do it constitutionally, it will at the very least not have an effective poll tax. So the state will have to find, print and distribute certified copies of birth certificates for free, if the voters were born in NC, and will have to pay for others states to issue them if they do not send them out for free. This will also require added state staff to be paid and office spaced.
    It will still fire up progressive groups to really push the elderly, student and blind to vote so the whole suppression thing may backfire.
    All to address a virtually nonexistent problem. Way to go GOP!

  • oldaltar Jan 17, 10:05 a.m.

    Sick!

  • benhansen74 Jan 17, 9:31 a.m.

    OK McBerger, you have already put more folks on welfare by cutting their unemployment benefits. They have fewer dollars for basic necessities. Now you're going to make them get a voter ID card that will probably necessitate getting a certified copy of a birth certificate which means they have to contact the state vital records office of the state where they were born. And of course for a certified copy, that state has a charge of anywhere between $20 and $50. So they have to fill out the application, mail it off with their non-existent "extra" money lying around just to appease the republicans. Most will think it's just not worth it, which is the never-admitted intent of voter ID cards to begin with.

  • gopack07 Jan 17, 8:53 a.m.

    Why are most people for voter ID and against gun registration?

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 17, 8:16 a.m.

    This should be good one today. With everyone telling us its OK to shwo ID for everything else under the sun except for voting. I still dont see how it disenfranchise's voters and there is more too this issuse because the way liberal democrats are so against it.

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