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  • 68_dodge_polara Jan 17, 12:32 p.m.

    "So now I can't vote for him...."

    He doesn't need it.

    If you where familiar with Durham politics you'd know no one has any chance of beating them with all the liberals and criminals here that love him and the job he is doing.

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 17, 11:30 a.m.

    "Even target shootings main purpose is to be able to kill more effectively." Plenty Coups

    Duhhhhhh!!

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 17, 11:29 a.m.

    "I really wish that they would classify ignorant uneducated people . . . " atheistswillrule

    Here's another on of the left-wing enlightened doing their name calling.

  • epee131 Jan 17, 8:52 a.m.

    So now I can't vote for him....

  • bubbaredneck Jan 15, 4:21 p.m.

    68 dodge polara i love you summation! it is absolutely correct!!

  • Plenty Coups Jan 15, 4:02 p.m.

    "Sure, both are tools, but their primary purpose is to do completely different things. One is for transportation the other is to simply killing, or inflicting damage on a target."

    Even target shootings main purpose is to be able to kill more effectively.

  • superman Jan 15, 3:49 p.m.

    Wish the bad element--ie the criminals would learn to obey the law and we wouldnt need so many guns.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 3:39 p.m.

    "A firearm is nothing more than a tool. A vehicle is nothing more than a tool."

    Sure, both are tools, but their primary purpose is to do completely different things. One is for transportation the other is to simply killing, or inflicting damage on a target.

  • IndependentAmerican Jan 15, 2:55 p.m.

    "The only person who should be owning one they are Military and Law Enforcement. rickbrown64 January 15, 2013 8:40 a.m." Some are saying that all guns should only be owned by the military and Law enforcement. The truth is, whether any anti-gun person will admit or not, is that the criminals will still have these weapons, including assault rifles, whatever definition you attach.

  • lkahn1 Jan 15, 2:13 p.m.

    Mayor McCheese would do a better job than these clowns!!

  • Paul Parker Jan 15, 1:33 p.m.

    There is no reason anyone needs to own an assault Type firearm. They are not for hunting. The only person who should be owning one they are Military and Law Enforcement.
    rickbrown64
    January 15, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    rickbrown64, like it or not the 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting, it is about the right of the people to defend themselves against any who might abuse them, which would include their government. You can scream, cry, moan, pout about it all you want, but that is an ABSOLUTE FACT!

  • tarheelvending Jan 15, 11:41 a.m.

    Guns are not made just for killing. My family and I shoot targets often and have a lot of fun doing it. We have never killed anything. Don't be so quick to label firearms!

  • HighRiskCO Jan 15, 11:36 a.m.

    ""Rocket, a gun's primary purpose of existance is to kill or inflict serious damage. A car's primary purpose of existance is to transport. You are comparing apples to bulldozers. If you don't understand the difference you aren't being truthful to yourself."-Bill Brasky

    Incorrect. "You are comparing apples to bulldozers."
    A firearm is nothing more than a tool. A vehicle is nothing more than a tool. In the hands of a human (especially those thinking outside the "norm" or "not rationally"), both can cause serious injury or death. Both are "optional" in life. One does not need a firearm or vehicle to cause serious injury or death. Under "normal" circumstances, neither object will cause serious injury or death.
    The primary purpose of a firearm when used in target practice is NOT to kill or inflict serious injury. Therefore, your definition is incorrect. Many legal firearm owners purchase firearms solely for the purpose of sport or target practice not "to kill or inflict serious damage."

  • HighRiskCO Jan 15, 11:02 a.m.

    "According to Webster's dictionary you are incorrect:
    Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20rifle"-Bill Brasky

    You are all wrong! When one is in doubt...go to the law! According to the ATF:
    The term "semiautomatic rifle" means any repeating rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
    HOWEVER:
    Semiautomatic assault weapon...
    (b) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
    (1) A folding or telescoping stock, (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A bayonet mount, (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, and (5) A grenade launcher;

  • 68_dodge_polara Jan 15, 11:02 a.m.

    "How about Bill Bell spend more time tracking down the gang bangers who are doing their drive by shootings and his ever climbing murder rate by felons who possess firearms?"

    If he where to put his voter base in prison and made them stay there how would he remain Mayor?

  • BP Jan 15, 10:34 a.m.

    How about Bill Bell spend more time tracking down the gang bangers who are doing their drive by shootings and his ever climbing murder rate by felons who possess firearms? Stop advocating a punishment for gun owners who haven't committed a crime. What a waste of a paycheck!

  • kermit60 Jan 15, 10:27 a.m.

    Three mayors out of thousands. They are against illegal guns? If they are illegal then a law has already been broken. Enforce the laws we already have.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 10:10 a.m.

    "Neither a gun nor a car can kill without human intervention. It is the human motive and the outcome that really matters."

    Rocket, a gun's primary purpose of existance is to kill or inflict serious damage. A car's primary purpose of existance is to transport. You are comparing apples to bulldozers. If you don't understand the difference you aren't being truthful to yourself.

  • atheistswillrule Jan 15, 9:57 a.m.

    All the POTUS has to do is re-name any weapon to Assualt Weapon and they can be put on his list and outlaw it. Why doesn't he go after alcohol or automobiles and make them assualt weapons. crewdog

    I really wish that they would classify ignorant uneducated people "assault weapons". Then we might actually get someplace.

  • rocket Jan 15, 9:37 a.m.

    "He will, if they ever design a car specifically to kill, or an alcohol"

    Neither a gun nor a car can kill without human intervention. It is the human motive and the outcome that really matters.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 9:29 a.m.

    "Why doesn't he go after alcohol or automobiles and make them assualt weapons."

    He will, if they ever design a car specifically to kill, or an alcohol

  • Mike H Jan 15, 9:21 a.m.

    rickbrown: Why would we provide the military and the police with "assault weapons" if the citizenry can't also own them? The second amendment says nothing about hunting and target shooting, and if so-called "assault weapons" are appropriate defense weapons for the police, then I see no reason why responsible law-abiding citizens shouldn't have access to the same armaments.

    I've no interest in living in a stratified society, where a well-armed elite rule over a disarmed citizenry. I take responsibility for my safety and that of my family, and that includes owning high quality weapons. I'm sorry if that offends the weak-kneed among us, but I'm not going to look to people who would outsource their safety and security for advice on how to protect my family.

  • V-Vet 72-75 Jan 15, 9:15 a.m.

    It is not just about assualt weapons. That is where it is staring. All the POTUS has to do is re-name any weapon to Assualt Weapon and they can be put on his list and outlaw it. Why doesn't he go after alcohol or automobiles and make them assualt weapons.

  • retprof Jan 15, 9:15 a.m.

    As a response to rickbrown64 and others, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or even self defense. The original intent of the founders was clearly stated as the ability to protect oneself from the tyranny of government. It would seem that military style weapons would be better suited to that purpose.

  • Nancy Jan 15, 9:12 a.m.

    We all know that all the laws in the world don't mean anything to criminals or the criminally insane. Sure, write more laws, it is a feel good action.

  • retprof Jan 15, 9:07 a.m.

    It is incumbent upon those who wish to further restrict the right to keep and bear arms to demonstrate that the present laws are insufficient. It is actually relatively rare for legal gun owners to be involved in crime. The present arguments from politicians are mostly emotional rather than substantive.

  • rickbrown64 Jan 15, 8:40 a.m.

    There is no reason anyone needs to own an assault Type firearm. They are not for hunting. The only person who should be owning one they are Military and Law Enforcement. These weapons were not intended for private citizen use. It does not infringe on anyone's right to bear arms by baning the sale of these weapons. If you want to stop guns from getting into the hands of criminals and under age owners. Prosecute the people who buy them for them. It is a felony to purchase a gun for another. Not hard to go back and track who the buyer was.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 8:30 a.m.

    "The biggest hurdle to any meaningful discussion is the amount of misinformation. "Assault rifle" and "assault weapon" are two different things. Assault Rifle is a military term that refers to a rifle that fires an intermediate size round and has the option of burst or fully automatic fire"

    According to Webster's dictionary you are incorrect:

    Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE
    : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20rifle

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 8:28 a.m.

    "SMWill any ban or incrased criminal checks reduce gun violence, maby around 2%. Would this have prevented the Sandy Hook shooting, NO. The shooter did not buy the guns. He just used what was avaiable. If you think that high capacity magazines are the problem, think again. Most trained people can reload a magazine in under 1 second."

    The AR-15 would not of been available for the school shooter had the law still be in affect. In regards to the reload of the magazine, in California their is a mechanism on assault rifles that makes reload times longer.

  • saturn5 Jan 15, 8:23 a.m.

    The biggest hurdle to any meaningful discussion is the amount of misinformation. "Assault rifle" and "assault weapon" are two different things. Assault Rifle is a military term that refers to a rifle that fires an intermediate size round and has the option of burst or fully automatic fire. None of the shootings have used an assault rifle. An "assault weapon" is the legal term coined during the Clinton adminitration to ban civilian semi-automatic weaopns that cosmetically look like military assault rifles, but function like civilian hunting rifles. Automatic military assault rifles are extremely expensive and difficult to own. They've been strictly regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934. There have been no cases in recent history in the U.S. of an assault rifle being used in a mass shooting. This discussion needs to be based on fact, not emotion, if there's going to be any chance of consensus.

  • Tazz Danger Jan 15, 8:21 a.m.

    SMWill any ban or incrased criminal checks reduce gun violence, maby around 2%. Would this have prevented the Sandy Hook shooting, NO. The shooter did not buy the guns. He just used what was avaiable. If you think that high capacity magazines are the problem, think again. Most trained people can reload a magazine in under 1 second. Lets stop talking if if if... lets look a recent ragedies right here at home, in Raleigh. Last week two armed men stormed an innocent couples home in the middle of the night. They then proceeded to terrorize and victimize them. They forcefully sexually assault the female and shoot the husband causing him to become permanently paralyzed. This was not the first time these bad guys committed these atrocities. The 26 year old was a convicted felon, prohibited by state and federal law to purchase and possess a firearm, but he had one. If they court system would have put him in prison the first or second time he was arrested for a lon long time i can p

  • Bill Brasky Jan 15, 8:09 a.m.

    "The Bushmaster XM-15 did not fall under the federal AWB.
    But takes the same magazines."

    You don't think it had anything to do with the fact this gun didn't exist in 1994...do you? It's still an assault rifle and falls well within the definition. The 1994 ban was poorly written and allowed new weapons with slight modifications. In the XM-15 case they moved a screw to a different spot.

    "There are Glock PISTOLS that take 33 round magazine... they ALSO aren't assault weapons under federal law."

    Did you say pistol? So they aren't a rifle...hence the term assault rifle.

    "(See also the homicide rate in the UK going _up_ after they banned guns in 1997)"

    And what has it done since then...Seems like they did something right.
    I don't really feel like you want to have an honest debate with me, because you keep on spinning facts and not presenting the truth.

  • junkmail5 Jan 14, 7:56 p.m.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/
    Bill Brasky

    We also have more NON gun murders than other developed nations.

    Because the US is a violent nation. (and much of that violence is war on drugs related).

    The problem isn't the guns, it's the violence in general.

    Banning the guns doesn't fix that.

    (See also the homicide rate in the UK going _up_ after they banned guns in 1997)

  • junkmail5 Jan 14, 7:54 p.m.

    What is the criteria of being an assault weapon? Maybe it's the fact that they fire at a muzzle velocity of around 3200 feet per second, pistols are 1230 feet a second.- Bill Brasky

    Nope, you fail again!

    There were things under the AWB with much lower muzzle velocity than 3200 fps.... and there were things NOT on it with HIGHER muzzle velocity.

    You don't know what you're talking about dude.... and you make it clearer with every post.

  • junkmail5 Jan 14, 7:53 p.m.

    I don't care about the way it looks.. It's a rifle that has a 30 round magazine...Hence an Assault Rifle according to US law.
    Bill Brasky

    And yet AGAIN you're wrong.

    The Bushmaster XM-15 did not fall under the federal AWB.

    But takes the same magazines.

    There are Glock PISTOLS that take 33 round magazine... they ALSO aren't assault weapons under federal law.

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    Please go learn some _actual_ information about guns before trying to discuss them intelligently.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 14, 7:51 p.m.

    "Incorrect. Switzerland has a higher rate of firearms ownership than the US and yet their murder rate is far lower. So ownership rates clearly have nothing to do with murder rates. Maybe it's something else... whatever could it be?"

    Ripcord...you always run to the Switzerland example and we always have to explain that The Army is mandatory there for all males and at the end of their individual service they are given their weapon after the automatic mechanism is removed. They don't go around giving weapons to just anyone, and these weapons are registered.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 14, 7:47 p.m.

    "Higher than most western democracies, certainly, as I mentioned...because the US is a very violent nation even EXCLUDING gun murders... but not top 10 even for just gun murders"

    We are the highest of any developed nation by far
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

  • delta29alpha Jan 14, 7:45 p.m.

    Just some more useless self important politicians trying to take advantage of a tragedy for political grandstanding. Just ignore them and let them crawl back into their holes.

  • Bill Brasky Jan 14, 7:43 p.m.

    "It's NOT the same gun if it's automatic fire. Functionality is what matters here, NOT looks."

    I don't care about the way it looks.. It's a rifle that has a 30 round magazine...Hence an Assault Rifle according to US law.

  • limitguvment Jan 14, 7:40 p.m.

    Liberals are full of it and will never quit until the public is disarmed then the real looting of the people will begin. Let's just go ahead and get the enevitable civil war over with so we can fix the damage that the liberal experiment has caused this great country!

  • Bill Brasky Jan 14, 7:39 p.m.

    #60

    What is the criteria of being an assault weapon? Maybe it's the fact that they fire at a muzzle velocity of around 3200 feet per second, pistols are 1230 feet a second. So these bullets have the ability of going through multiple targets. Than there is the fact that the weapons can carry 30 + rounds. These bullets are the same ones our soldiers use on the front lines. So why are these assault weapons available to the general public for them to eventually fall into the hands of criminals? That should be a question Americans ask themselves.

    the answer? You can keep the guns, just limit their magazines and limit the ability to change the magazine quickly and we have ourselves a perfect compromise.

  • Ripcord Jan 14, 7:36 p.m.

    "We are the only industrialized nation in the world that allows the general population ( a lot of crazies in that bunch) to even own a weapon. It is why our kill rate is so high." - caryzoo

    Incorrect. Switzerland has a higher rate of firearms ownership than the US and yet their murder rate is far lower. So ownership rates clearly have nothing to do with murder rates. Maybe it's something else... whatever could it be?

  • tgentry1005 Jan 14, 7:34 p.m.

    What are the mayors recommending be done with the mentally disturbed people or criminals who cause all the problems with guns? What are the mayors recommending be done with knives because they are used to kill people? What are the mayors recommending be done with automobiles because they are used in unlawful ways that kills people?

    They are making recommendations that will not solve the problems we have today but only take some of our freedoms from us..

  • junkmail5 Jan 14, 7:34 p.m.

    We either have ownership info on EVERY assault weapon or we tax the heck out of one's sold.-caryzoo

    Why?

    They are the LEAST used gun in crimes... they're large, hard to conceal, expensive to own and operate.... they kill less people each year than the category of BLUNT OBJECTS (hammers, clubs, etc).

    And -that- is what you think should be our focus?

    Do you have any ideas that actually make any sense based on the real facts?

    We are the only industrialized nation in the world that allows the general population ( a lot of crazies in that bunch) to even own a weapon- caryzoo

    Apparently not, since that's also untrue... many other industrialized nations have high gun ownership rates... (canada, switzerland, most of the nordic nations, etc...)

  • junkmail5 Jan 14, 7:32 p.m.

    We still have one of the top 10 gun murder rates in the world. Care to debate THAT? atheistswillrule

    Yes, because it's not even close to true.

    Top 10 (gun murders per 100k population)

    El Salvador- 50.36
    Jamaica - 47.44
    Honduras- 46.7
    Guatemala- 38.52
    Swaziland- 37.16
    Columbia- 27.10
    Brazil- 18.10 Panama- 12.92 Mexico- 10.0 philipines- 9.46

    The US is further down the list at 3.7

    Higher than most western democracies, certainly, as I mentioned...because the US is a very violent nation even EXCLUDING gun murders... but not top 10 even for just gun murders

  • caryzoo Jan 14, 7:29 p.m.

    I have not6 always agreed with checks on people and bans on assault weapons and magazines that carry lots of ammo. I feel this country has reached a crossroads.

    We either have ownership info on EVERY assault weapon or we tax the heck out of one's sold. We are the only industrialized nation in the world that allows the general population ( a lot of crazies in that bunch) to even own a weapon. It is why our kill rate is so high. We, as a nation, need to figure out what type of arms our fore-bearer's (The Constitution)meant by arms to protect one self. I will bet if they are her, today, they would ban these vehicles of death.

    Sorry, my opinion only. It is time to stop the crazy people from getting hold of any...any weapon like these assault weapons. How many children have to die before we make the same changes the rest of the industrialized world has? It makes us look selfish, inconsiderate and very, very, stupid to the realities of life.

  • tarheelj Jan 14, 7:23 p.m.

    Illegal aliens are "banned" in this country yet we are overflowing with them...banning the weapon will mean Absolutely NOTHING to these killers...I fairly sure thaylt the percentage using stolen weapons is much higher than the percentage using legal weapons... What we need to reform is the prison system, judicial system and mental health system. As usual the focus is completely off base and we will waste millions before coming to that exact end truth. We need to drop this peace love and harmony mess and we can save them all mess and realize that they need to be locked up....The true problem is the criminal know that the criminal justice system is a joke...punishment no longer fits the crime so no one fears the justice system...Start there...stop making prison look like a vacation...make them work, take out cable and Yes i'll say it...follow through with the Death Penalty and stop giving so many appeals.

  • highvolt1 Jan 14, 7:18 p.m.

    These three wanted the job as mayors. If they cannot perform their job, then they should step aside.

  • smcallah Jan 14, 7:16 p.m.

    "They do, it's called the M16. The same gun with an automatic mechanism."

    It's NOT the same gun if it's automatic fire. Functionality is what matters here, NOT looks.

  • uscnnc Jan 14, 7:12 p.m.

    Congratulations, we have made the big jump from atrocious to horrible. We still have one of the top 10 gun murder rates in the world. Care to debate THAT?
    Yep atheistwontrule I will. There were 10,288 deaths by drunk driving in the same year, so do we ban alcohol or vehicles? A weapon is anything used to create injury or harm, so that car is a assault weapon. Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in America but how's that working out?

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