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  • oldmanjoel Jan 14, 2013

    NO GUN CHANGES UNTIL Posse Comitatus IS RESTORED! This is the 1835 law that says the us military can not arrest us citizens. They can now.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 14, 2013

    "we are talking about two separate ordinances." - Paul Parker


    Oh, I thought you were talking about that James Whitlock dude. Sorry.


    "It is up to an LEO. Apparently some people do not trust a trained LEO to determine if someone is responsibly shooting or just trying to annoy the people around them." - Damien Thorne


    I generally trust cops, but enforcement of certain laws is still subjective. They don't always know the law, and some can be downright anti-gun when it comes to civilians. There's plenty of youtube video showing cops hassling people exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "I think the complaint voiced by the pro-gun people was this line:

    "any unreasonably loud or disturbing noise in the county is prohibited and unlawful"

    Anti-gun people often consider any type of gunshot to be "unreasonably loud or disturbing". Taken out of context, that kind of ordinance sounds reasonable. But remember it was specifically considered because of a particular guy that neighbors claimed was shooting all the time, in close proximity to houses." Lightfoot3

    Most people understand that it is not up to the person complaining about the noise to make that decision. It is up to an LEO. Apparently some people do not trust a trained LEO to determine if someone is responsibly shooting or just trying to annoy the people around them.

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    I think the complaint voiced by the pro-gun people was this line:

    "any unreasonably loud or disturbing noise in the county is prohibited and unlawful"
    Lightfoot3
    January 11, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    Lightfoot3, we are talking about two separate ordinances. Please go back and read my post at 2:11pm that you quoted from. I SPECIFICALLY referenced Sec.16-3 ( you can find it at: http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/North%20Carolina/johnstoncounty_nc/codeofordinancescountyofjohnstonnorthcar?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:johnstoncounty_nc ).
    Sec. 16-3 says absolutely nothing about "any unreasonably loud or disturbing noise in the county is prohibited and unlawful".

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "Posted below is the ordinance that Lightfoot3 says restricts his ability to shoot on his property." - Ashen-Shugar


    Uh, no, I didn't specify which ordinance, only that there are ordinances that give restrictions. In Wake county for example, we have a 100yard from dwellings or livestock rule. On my street, we have lots from about .5 to .8 acres. Behind us is nothing but swamp, woods, etc. I can't shoot .22short low velocity (i.e. pretty quite rounds) any time, any day, in my backyard unless I have written permission from about 6 different houses. Some are anti-gun, so it ain't gonna happen.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "Yes, Damien, I remember when 16-3 was passed, and I remember there being a lot of complaint that it was an infringement on peoples right to shoot. I never really did understand why there was so much complaint. I am one of the most pro shooting rights people you will ever come across, but I always thought 16-3 was really just common sense (one of the very few laws relating to shooting or firearms that I could actually support)."----Paul Parker

    We all went before the board to request that, and it was based on the Sheriff's plea to give him the ability to do something about what he saw as a serious issue but had no legal way to do anything about it. It is a bad thing to be told that the police could not do anything about someone shooting like that until you or someone in your family was shot.

    Compare that with what others are posting about it, seems some people are either a bit confused or outright lying about it. Such is life though.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "I never really did understand why there was so much complaint." - Paul Parker


    I think the complaint voiced by the pro-gun people was this line:


    "any unreasonably loud or disturbing noise in the county is prohibited and unlawful"


    Anti-gun people often consider any type of gunshot to be "unreasonably loud or disturbing". Taken out of context, that kind of ordinance sounds reasonable. But remember it was specifically considered because of a particular guy that neighbors claimed was shooting all the time, in close proximity to houses.


    In Wake county, one law that restricts our shooting is that we can't be within 100 yards of a dwelling (without their permission). So I can't shoot anything (not even .22short) in my current backyard (though there aren't any houses or development behind me).

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    Yes, Damien, I remember when 16-3 was passed, and I remember there being a lot of complaint that it was an infringement on peoples right to shoot. I never really did understand why there was so much complaint. I am one of the most pro shooting rights people you will ever come across, but I always thought 16-3 was really just common sense (one of the very few laws relating to shooting or firearms that I could actually support).

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    I really appreciate the post Paul, I only looked at the pdf. file included in that article and did not verify the information. That one has a lot more detail and information then the one I was party to. It use to be posted on the BoC's website portion, when I did not see it there I grabbed something in error.

    I guess the effect is the same though, I will still be blamed as a gun hater and wanting to restrict peoples right to shoot as they choose.

    My part in it was basically dealing with section 16-3, the firearms part, but that was done before this ordinance was.

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    Here is the actual document that was approved by the Board.

    http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2012/08/29/11485171/Noise_Ordinance_Amendment.pdf

    Damien Thorne
    January 11, 2013 1:13 p.m

    Actually Damien, that is not the FINAL document approved by the board. The FINAL version removed (d)(6).

    You can find the final version of the document at this link: http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/North%20Carolina/johnstoncounty_nc/codeofordinancescountyofjohnstonnorthcar?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:johnstoncounty_nc

    It is chapter 12, Article II

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    Here is the actual document that was approved by the Board.

    http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2012/08/29/11485171/Noise_Ordinance_Amendment.pdf

    This is the article Lightfoot3 is talking about, notice the first post of his on the first page and how it directly contradicts his last post.

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11504778/

    "Perhaps it is you, Damien, who needs to educate yourself about the ordinance."----Paul Parker

    While a violation of this act is a misdemeanor, it is up to the officer to determine whether any other laws come into play. That is why I posted "arrest". Perhaps you are not aware that most people under the affects of narcotics and such are guilty of other crimes?

    Before they could not even legally enter a fenced property, now they can.

    This is not the ordinance that I worked on though, this one is a bumped up version due to the person in that article.

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    Damien Thorne, I believe I misunderstood which ordinance you were referring to. If so, I apologize.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    Posted below is the ordinance that Lightfoot3 says restricts his ability to shoot on his property.

    I removed the one about shooting across highways, but you make the call. Too restrictive for responsible shooting? There are some exceptions to the sunset rule.

    "Violations.] It shall be unlawful for any person to:(1)Discharge a firearm in the county carelessly and heedlessly, so as to endanger any person or property,
    (2)Discharge a firearm that results in a projectile crossing the property line of another person without the permission of the owner, or(3)Discharge a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance (under the influence: determination by the investigating officer that the person is intoxicated by alcohol or a narcotic to the point where physical and mental faculties are appreciably diminished).[Prohibited times of discharge.] The discharge of firearms from two hours after sunset to one hour before sunrise is prohibited by article II,".

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    Damien, I believe that you are referring to Johnston County code of ordinances, sec. 12-32. There is nothing in that ordinance that specifies, or even implies, that malicious intent or reckless endangerment are necessary for the ordinance to apply; also there is no provision in the ordinance allowing for arrest. The maximum penalty allowed by that ordinance is a $500 fine. Perhaps it is you, Damien, who needs to educate yourself about the ordinance.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "You are correct, Damien. It's about common sense, not fear, or emotionalism. I've had Deputies from two counties visit me during the NCCCH classes I teach to determine what I'm doing, and to determine if I am doing my shooting safely.

    I had one neighbor who complained on Saturdays, only. I understand the need for property owners to enjoy their property in safety, and peace. I also understand that the usual hunter, or target shooter, fires a few rounds, generally, at a slow pace"-------Glock Ranger

    It is a shame that more people do not understand the difference between responsible shooting and reckless endangerment. No one was restricting responsible shooting. The only thing that was put in place was to prevent irresponsible behavior. I would never complain about weekend shooting, it is the only time I get to shoot in my yard. But I did not do it after dark, or in a direction where there was even the slightest chance to hit something unintentionally or create a ricochet.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "Yes, you BOTH made the SAME claim about a shooting neighbor, and getting the SAME ordinances changed in the SAME timeframe in the SAME county. Busted! “tactics and language” – Ashen Shugar

    Like asking for compass headings and range heights to do calculations?

    “I also noticed that everyone of your comments from that article are no longer there.” – Ashen Shugar

    More than likely from YOU clicking “report abuse”. What is it with you and your stalking? The sky is blue!"----Lightfoot3 aka The Deadhead

    Yes, I clicked the abuse button on posts that prove exactly what I write.

    The only thing busted here is your honesty and integrity. Your posts are easily disproven if people want to look.

    Unfortunately Ashen is not even in this country right now, but if it is something you need I would be more than happy to get my brother to post to you when he returns.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "Unfortunately falsehoods run rampant here, just like that last statement." - Ashen-Shugar/Damien Thorne


    Oh really? From:


    http://www.wral.com/share/page/1896337/?id=10612067


    "Well, I just looked at the rifle range images from the Drake Landing website. The one at the bottom that says "Check out the view" tells the story. A shot could EASILY leave that range. The berm is not sufficient..." - Lightfoot3 January 19, 2012 10:50 a.m.


    "In rethinking this, with simple trig, I would consider it almost totally worthless if firing from a position level with the target. Only about 2 degrees of elevation would clear the top if you consider a flat trajectory (which I would for a safety measure)." - Lightfoot3 January 19, 2012 10:30 a.m


    Just stick to the issues and STOP with the cyber stalking and personal attacks!

  • Glock Ranger Jan 11, 2013

    I'm not Damien, but I googled it:

    http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/North%20Carolina/johnstoncounty_nc/codeofordinancescountyofjohnstonnorthcar?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:johnstoncounty_nc

  • Screw WrAl Jan 11, 2013

    Harnett leaders, no spine.

  • Glock Ranger Jan 11, 2013

    You are correct, Damien. It's about common sense, not fear, or emotionalism. I've had Deputies from two counties visit me during the NCCCH classes I teach to determine what I'm doing, and to determine if I am doing my shooting safely.

    I had one neighbor who complained on Saturdays, only. I understand the need for property owners to enjoy their property in safety, and peace. I also understand that the usual hunter, or target shooter, fires a few rounds, generally, at a slow pace.

    CCH shooting qualification requires a minimum of 35 rounds per student (up 50 maximum) on my range. Other instructors may require more. With my classes limited to 6 persons, that's 210 rounds, up to 300 per class. So, I moved the shooting inside, and limit the caliber to .22lr. That reduces noise, and the likelyhood of a round getting out. I also only allow one shooter at the time, and I supply the gun and ammunition.

    Noise is limited, not non-existent. I have had no complaints since.

  • Paul Parker Jan 11, 2013

    For people that understand or at least bothered to educate themselves about the JC ordinance they know that only a Police Officer can make an arrest based on what they see and know. Complaints do not drive arrests, malicious intent or reckless endangerment are the only options for arresting someone.

    Inebriated people, drugged up people, or people shooting into other peoples property, or those trying to be a nuisance are the only people that can be arrested. People target shooting responsibly cannot.
    Damien Thorne
    January 11, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Damien, could you post a link to the ordinance?

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    The issue is whether Drake’s Landing is agritourism, and if the range is safe. Given WRAL won’t respond, I guess I’ll have to. Why not just discuss the issues instead of making stuff up and doing personal attacks?


    “ There is no way a person can have multiple ID's on here.” – Ashen Shugar


    Incorrect. People can, and do. I however, don’t.


    “Yesterday you posted about Ashen-Shugar's posts” – Ashen Shugar


    Yes, you BOTH made the SAME claim about a shooting neighbor, and getting the SAME ordinances changed in the SAME timeframe in the SAME county. Busted!

    “tactics and language” – Ashen Shugar

    Like asking for compass headings and range heights to do calculations?

    “I also noticed that everyone of your comments from that article are no longer there.” – Ashen Shugar

    More than likely from YOU clicking “report abuse”. What is it with you and your stalking? The sky is blue!

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "Looking at the pictures, it would be possible for a round to get above the berms. It doesn't appear that the berms are high enough to make me, as an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, especially warm and fuzzy. So, maybe changes could be made, like piling up more dirt." - Glock Ranger

    "Exactly! I said the exact same thing and got called all kinds of names."----Lightfoot3

    Unfortunately falsehoods run rampant here, just like that last statement. That is the problem with this poster, they like to make stuff up to post it. Here is the link to where this was posted, with all the posts still intact in it. I was the only one to post a reply to it, and noted what I saw on the photos while agreeing that "anyone can find a way around anything though".

    Trying to debate about responsible shooting, but cannot even post responsibly.

    First page, bottom post. The only reply to that post is mine, the 3rd one up from that.

    http://www.wral.com/share/page/1896337/?id=11961675

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "there are no restrictions to shooting firearms on your own property." - Damien Thorne


    Incorrect. The "noise" ordinance was vague enough that it could stop shooting based on subjective rather an objective measures.


    "believe they should be allowed to get drunk and shoot at their neighbors." - Damien Thorne


    Incorrect. That is irresponsible and a crime! Anti-gunners will sometimes make these sometimes false claims about their neighbors though.


    "poster answering his own post." - Damien Thorne


    You're confused, I was answering a post BY "The Deadhead". I think I had the quote attributed clear enough for most.


    "Wake county's ordinance are much more restrictive than JC." - Damien Thorne

    Yes, we were told EXACTLY that last time, by the other ID, though irrelevant given Wake County wasn't the topic then, nor now. Drakes Landing is in Harnett County.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "Looking at the pictures, it would be possible for a round to get above the berms. It doesn't appear that the berms are high enough to make me, as an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, especially warm and fuzzy. So, maybe changes could be made, like piling up more dirt." - Glock Ranger


    Exactly! I said the exact same thing and got called all kinds of names.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "So, Damien, an officer would have to be there, hear the gunfire and make a determination about the noise levels vs. restrictions. Sounds like an investigative act."----Glock Ranger

    It is just based on common sense, if the target you are shooting is hanging on a fence and there are houses behind that fence then yes there is an issue.

    The officers I deal with will get the call and go to within earshot of the call and listen. It is not just about noise levels, it is about repetition. If they hear a few shots no big deal.

    Everyone has dealt with someone doing something for spite, and know when something is being done just for that reason. It is still up to a trained, certified law enforcement officer to determine if that is the case.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "This why people should really be paying attention to who they vote for in county elections."----Rebelyell55

    Yes, people need to make sure they vote in people that will respect the rights of everyone, especially those of unscrupulous gun owners that do not respect the rights of people in the line of their fire, but do respect the rights of responsible shooters that take into account the people around them and what is behind what they are shooting. Some posters do not understand the concept, but most people do.

    Some people just do not care about how they shoot, and do so after getting drunk or going on a binder and end up shooting into a neighbors house or yard.

    Without ordinances there is nothing you can do about it. Think if it was your house, your family, your children playing in your yard while drunk neighbors were shooting on a 1 acre lot. Would you want to allow it to continue at all hours of the day/night?

  • Glock Ranger Jan 11, 2013

    So, Damien, an officer would have to be there, hear the gunfire and make a determination about the noise levels vs. restrictions. Sounds like an investigative act.

    Looking at the pictures, it would be possible for a round to get above the berms. It doesn't appear that the berms are high enough to make me, as an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, especially warm and fuzzy. So, maybe changes could be made, like piling up more dirt.

    Also, you cannot guarantee that a bullet could not travel through a heavily wooded forest. In the immortal statutes of Murphy's Law, if it can happen, it will happen. If it has happened, it will happen again. If it has not happened, refer back to rule #1.

  • Glock Ranger Jan 11, 2013

    Mr. Hare said "It goes on all the time..." Well, unless the range hours are Hours of Operation
    ~Must arrive one hour prior to closing to use facilities~

    Wednesday 9:00 am to 4:30 pm
    Thursday 9:00 am to 4:30 pm
    Friday 9:00 am to 4:30 pm
    Saturday 8:00 am to 4:30 pm Sunday 1:00 pm to 4:30 pm

    That's not all the time. They have charter hunts, also, that's definitely "agri-tourism" since people might come from all over the world for the opportunity to hunt, especially a managed deer population.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "“The Johnston County commissioners passed a noise ordinance last year that "may" prohibit people from target shooting on their property in the county.” – The Deadhead

    The ordinance was certainly vague enough that it could stop people shooting. Given that’s exactly what it was designed for, I’m sure the anti-gunners are happy. The officials failed the people by not making the ordinance language more direct with concrete measures."------Lightfoot3 aka The Deadhead.

    For people that understand or at least bothered to educate themselves about the JC ordinance they know that only a Police Officer can make an arrest based on what they see and know. Complaints do not drive arrests, malicious intent or reckless endangerment are the only options for arresting someone.

    Inebriated people, drugged up people, or people shooting into other peoples property, or those trying to be a nuisance are the only people that can be arrested.
    People target shooting responsibly cannot.

  • Rebelyell55 Jan 11, 2013

    This why people should really be paying attention to who they vote for in county elections.

  • bubbba Jan 11, 2013

    If you move in next to pig farm, it's probably gonna stink.
    Move in next to a gun range, probably gonna hear it.
    The only people that should have any say are the ones that lived there before the range was opened.

  • oleguy Jan 11, 2013

    Let them alone,, I have a neighbor LEO,,, and he has some really neat and high powered guns,, and he does practice often,, I can hear him,, but would I complain,, NO,, If you dont like hunting and rural noise, Move back into town,, You never hear traffic,, fire trucks, trains,EMS,,police sirens, or gun fire there??? or Fort Bragg, Get a life

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    “You have obviously never been to this facilty to see how safe and well run it is.” - Lou Epstien


    I’ve never been there either, though I’ve seen the sign on Hwy401. I think I might try to swing by there this weekend to take a look. I need a place to sight in my rifle, but I’d also like to take a first-hand look at the rifle range so I can measure the true compass heading and see if the claims that there is no way someone could shoot above the target are true.

  • barbstillkickin Jan 11, 2013

    Last I heard this was America and no matter how many rights they take away from us Gubs are not one of them. I want to be prepared if a BAD guy comes into my home and tries to hurt me or my family. You better believe I WILL have a GUN to defend my family. I just hope and Pray that all of you against Guns do not become a victum of violence and are unable to defend your family and soem one loses their lives. Then yu might see the reason to own a Gun. DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND YOUR FAMILY. The bad guy will still have a gun. Don't bring a Knife to a Gun Fight you will lose.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    “The Johnston County commissioners passed a noise ordinance last year that "may" prohibit people from target shooting on their property in the county.” – The Deadhead


    The ordinance was certainly vague enough that it could stop people shooting. Given that’s exactly what it was designed for, I’m sure the anti-gunners are happy. The officials failed the people by not making the ordinance language more direct with concrete measures.


    “Looks like Harnett County may be heading down the anti-gun path as well.” – The Deadhead


    Bingo! And when I complained about the wording, posters on here told me to mind my own business because it was Johnston County not Wake County. Now we see why you need to speak up no matter where the injustice is because it may be on your doorsteps next time.

  • Glock Ranger Jan 11, 2013

    So, there it is, again. There is no proof of the allegations the neighbors are making about bullets hitting cars, or homes. Not that I completely doubt the neighbors, apparently the sheriff's deputies have done some investigations, but they don't seem to have any proof.

    A rhetorical "if" there have actually been bullet strikes, they could have come from the range, or from someone wanting to get the range shut down, or from hunters in the area.

    WooHoo2You was arguing, irrationally and snarkily, with me about this yesterday. He/she asked about my "time frame" for investigation. Well, that would be when the complaints were made. Also, a question about proving whose gun the bullets might have come from. Well, that indicates an lack of knowledge about forensic science and basic firearms identification.

  • Gunny the Racist Jan 11, 2013

    "Somebody is going to be shot, hit or killed before it's all over with."

    This is the most ridiculous statement I've read in a while. Don't they at least do some sort of education background before they allow people to quote on a news item?

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "if you are scared of guns don't buy one! if you are brave pick up one and defend your life, family, and home! and think before you vote to impinge on the rights of others to own and use firearms. HM1 USMC retired."----jrodrig2

    "a gun does not make a person brave.

    bravery makes a person brave. "-----oakcity

    Standing in the face of adversity where others would cower is bravery. Putting your life on the line to stand for what you believe in or the people you care about, or even those you do not even know is the very definition of bravery.

    I thank you for your service Sir, Semper Fi.

  • bowslinger70 Jan 11, 2013

    Could be---Maybe--Possibly--?? No one has been hurt yet, so all the dammage has not happened. What if they lived near a stock car race track--a train depot- ?? Complain. complain--just go about your own business and quit telling other folks how to live !! I do not belong to Drake's--but I live within a mile.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "These are NOT anti-gun advocates."

    You may be correct. It just might be that the worst you can say about these people is perhaps "misguided". I would like to know a time frame when the complaints started, it could be that the more guns were in the news the more these people began to fear gun fire or anyone shooting.

    "I think it is also fair to say that most people in the area don't have a problem with the noise. Like most issues, it is about money. Drakes Landing is a profitable business but it's presence limits the value of land around it for development."----lazydawg58

    Unfortunately then you have developers that are most likely not from around there using this as an excuse to devalue land. It does not appear there is any gun ordinance in Harnett County so you can shoot a gun anywhere you have permission to. Which do you think would devalue the land more, responsible shooting or the fact that a bunch of drunk people can shoot on their property beside yours with no repercussions?

  • oakcity Jan 11, 2013

    "if you are brave pick up one and defend your life, family, and home!"

    a gun does not make a person brave.

    bravery makes a person brave.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 11, 2013

    "Well the fix is in and the good old boys have circled the wagons. The decision will be to have the next discussion at the funeral of some poor individual that thought he was safe on his own property."----piene2

    Yes, after all look how many people have already been killed or shot around it. Oh wait, none have.

    Regardless of the ignorance posted by people such as above there is no evidence that any of the thousands of shots, possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of shots fired over the years have ever left this property.

    But do not let facts interfere with your ignorant ramblings. You might as well say you stand just as much if not more of a chance of a drunk driver running into your house and killing you while you are sleeping. After all you do have a road near your house........

  • bitsyfae1 Jan 11, 2013

    I am at home during the week and do not live that far from the range as a crow flies. Every once in a blue moon I can hear the gunfire, but not very often...at least not like its quoted in the story. And I work nights and sleep during the day so don't get me started on errant noise!!! I can imagine if I lived adjacent to the property I would hear it more frequently, but if you worked a normal schedule you would be at work...and on the weekend? If you can't beat it join it! Sounds like fun to go to a shooting range.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 11, 2013

    "The decision will be to have the next discussion at the funeral of some poor individual that thought he was safe on his own property." - piene2


    They’re not voting on the safety of the range, but whether it’s agritourism. By the broad definition (which you previously supplied), it is.


    “It is people like this poster” – Damien Thorne


    Uh, that seems to have been posted by “The Deadhead”, not me. My ID is Lightfoot3


    “Another falsehood…” Damien Thorne


    Uh, that seems to have been posted by “The Deadhead”, not me. My ID is Lightfoot3

  • Lou Epstien Jan 11, 2013

    Well the fix is in and the good old boys have circled the wagons. The decision will be to have the next discussion at the funeral of some poor individual that thought he was safe on his own property...piene2

    You have obviously never been to this facilty to see how safe and well run it is. You are basing your entire opinion on what OTHER people, who also have never been there, are telling you.
    Unbelievable!

  • Nicm Jan 11, 2013

    Piene2 and that will more than likely be because the person was a victim of a home invasion by a criminal, not from one of these "stray bullets" from the range. Give me a break!

  • jrodrig2 Jan 11, 2013

    if you are scared of guns don't buy one! if you are brave pick up one and defend your life, family, and home! and think before you vote to impinge on the rights of others to own and use firearms. HM1 USMC retired.

  • jrodrig2 Jan 11, 2013

    If a valuable, conservative, and mature gun owner is to protect his life or life of his family and or property he must shoot straight in order to achieve that goal, I know this might be new to some of you but trust me, people kill people not guns! don't wait until your livelihood is threatened by a careless armed individual for you to change your mind and protect yourself and loved ones! semper fi

  • lazydawg58 Jan 11, 2013

    These are NOT anti-gun advocates. I think it is also fair to say that most people in the area don't have a problem with the noise. Like most issues, it is about money. Drakes Landing is a profitable business but it's presence limits the value of land around it for development.

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