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  • Sherlock Jan 11, 6:24 p.m.

    Nothing like getting the runner up from Fayetteville as chief.

  • Terkel Jan 11, 5:44 p.m.

    djangothemagnificent, it is hard for some people to accept blacks as equally or better able as anyone else. That is undeniably true.

    Some are simply ignorant and choose to remain so. Let's not address them here; there's little chance of changing them.

    Some have seen it happen that a less qualified person has been treated with an unfair advantage because of color. Consider that not all "advantage" is clear cut as in hirings and promotions; it might even be "soft prejudice", but it's the elephant in the room. While not an excuse for ugly behavior, resentments can simmer into hardhearted prejudice over a period of time.

    Is there a feasible way to dismantle the framework of suspicion? I believe so. We must dismantle the double standard and it occurs to me that whites can't do it alone, any more than blacks could during the 60s, despite the courage they showed. Both - all - have to get unstuck. Just my rambling.

  • the opinion no one asked for Jan 11, 3:32 p.m.

    all i can think of is a line from gabby johnson in the movie blazing saddles near the beginning of the movie, anyone familiar with the movie will get where i am going

  • torchhappysean Jan 11, 1:57 p.m.

    I still have a hard time understanding why Raleigh is outsourcing the police chief job instead of promoting one of its carrer officers instead. It seems to me that it would be much better to promote someone who has actually spent years patrolling Raleigh's streets and has a good understanding of crime in Raleigh than bringing in an outsider who is going to try to treat Raliegh's crime like the city's crime where they came from. Crime here is different in nature than say a giant city like Dallas because we are not as big as Dallas nor are we close to the boarder with another country. Come on people wake up!!!!

  • djangothedissilent Jan 11, 9:38 a.m.

    It's hard for some people to accept the fact that african americans are just as or even more qualified than their white counterparts. We have come a long way from the Jim Crow south but some of those beliefs are still alive and well.

  • sinenomine Jan 11, 9:23 a.m.

    I've got nothing against any of the three candidates, and I'm sure all are highly qualified. Any of the three would make a fine police chief.

    That said, if three white faces were staring at us today from the finalists' pictures there would be a firestorm of adverse public opinion. I'm not suggesting that there should be, only observing what I wholeheartedly believe to be true. Take it for what it's worth, if anything.

  • working for deadbeats Jan 10, 7:36 p.m.

    Choose Deck Brown, please!!!

  • Terkel Jan 10, 7:25 p.m.

    "affirmative action is killing this country. You have to hire people based on their race/sex, not on their ability."

    And then you can't fire them without Barber screaming racism. But what's really bad is the ones who really do merit their jobs being lumped in with the rest.

  • UNCRules123 Jan 10, 7:25 p.m.

    djangothedissilent said - "If all the final candidates where white this conversation would not be taking place because it would be considered the norm. Do any of you think for one minute the City of Raleigh management and council would consider someone not qualified to hire for such a position?"

    WRONG - if all the candidates were white the NAACP would be screaming about discrimination, unfair, etc.
    I believe the City of Raleigh (not Wake County I'm referring to City of Raleigh only) is approx. 50% minority (black), therefore I believe the candidates should reflect the makeup of the community. Its only fair...

  • Emperor Jan 10, 6:42 p.m.

    @ djangothedissilent "Do any of you think for one minute the City of Raleigh management and council would consider someone not qualified to hire for such a position?"

    Ummm . . . Yeh! they would. If it meant that they could have someone run interference for them against groups like the NAACP.

  • djangothedissilent Jan 10, 6:20 p.m.

    If all the final candidates where white this conversation would not be taking place because it would be considered the norm. Do any of you think for one minute the City of Raleigh management and council would consider someone not qualified to hire for such a position?

  • Moose is loose Jan 10, 6:20 p.m.

    Russell Allen, you are a joke of a City Manager.

  • Relic Jan 10, 5:39 p.m.

    "maybe there's a deliberate attempt to diversify city staff. at the end of the day, most of the city staff are white. so a black will be police chief. what about the hundreds of other positions?"

    There's been efforts by governments to "diversify staff" for years now. This is nothing new. What is new is actually having qualified applicants from minorities to fill these "other positions". I know of agencies that try their best to get minorities, especially women, to apply and get little response. Law enforcement agencies are seening some of their lowest levels of qualified applicants ever despite the bad economy.

  • Harrison Bergeron Jan 10, 3:24 p.m.

    "Harrison, do you know what 'diversity' means? Not the lib-hijacked meaning, the accurate one." -Morrigan

    Of course I do.

  • djofraleigh Jan 10, 3:02 p.m.

    Time for a minority chief again in Raleigh

  • momeeee Jan 10, 3:02 p.m.

    The committee should not even know the race/sex of the candidate - let them just be numbers and make the decision on which candidates experience is best for the position. Then all will be fair.

  • Terkel Jan 10, 2:38 p.m.

    Harrison, do you know what "diversity" means? Not the lib-hijacked meaning, the accurate one.

  • rfd32000 Jan 10, 2:34 p.m.

    @kmt yes, there is a deliberate push to diversify the city. And it's killing the quality of employee the city is getting. For one, the best are no longer hired. They break applicants down into groups and the best from each group are hired. Consider there being 5 positions and 100 applicants. To diversify, the top candidates from the different groups are hired. However the best from , say 3 of these groups, rank no higher than 53rd overall. So you see how the city is not getting the best of the best, just what they need to fit their agenda. And I agree with carlostheass, affirmative action is killing this country. You have to hire people based on their race/sex, not on their ability. And we wonder why we no longer have a reputaton for making good, quality products.

  • birkie74693 Jan 10, 2:30 p.m.

    OK, I guess it didn't make it past the moderator, I'll try again. ups1158 says: "if your [sic] a white male, your chances of getting a [sic] upper management job in government, either local or federal, is [sic] little to zero."

    This is a great example of people so blinded by their beliefs that they don't bother checking the facts. The Washington Post, August of last year, noted that for senior administrators (upper pay levels) in the federal government, 81% of the jobs are held by whites, even after years of attempts to increase diversity.

    "Little to zero"--not even SLIGHTLY true.

  • wakemom Jan 10, 2:22 p.m.

    OK...Now that the fact that all three of the candidates are "black" let's look at another issue: What is the shape of the Department that they are currently working at? Deck-Brown is an in-house officer so my first questions would be "What have you done ON YOUR OWN to make Raleigh a better place?" I would try to avoid Mr. Aziz for the simple fact that Raleigh is very little like Dallas and I wouldn't want to be seen taking the candidate who was #2 for Fayetteville. In doing some research, Richmond VA has show a lot of improvement in the last few years after having several sections of the city that had some of the highest crime rates in the nation and almost as many homicides as DC. Richmond is bigger than Raleigh but has similar demographics so my guess would be Chief Norwood. Let's see if the council sees it that way.
    Relic

    population wise, raleigh is bigger. but richmond is better spread out, espeically downtown, than raleigh.

  • birkie74693 Jan 10, 2:09 p.m.

    ups1158: "oh, if your a white male, your chances of getting a upper management job in government, either local or federal, is little to zero. I don't care what your qualifications are."

    Amazing, just amazing, that so many people are so blinded by their bigotry that they seem actually to BELIEVE the lies they repeat without thinking about whether they're true. Washington Post, August 2011: 81 percent of all senior-level federal administrative posts are held by whites, even after years of attempts to increase diversity. "Yo chances is little to zero!" Not even close to true. Check the facts before you spout stuff like that, OK?

  • Steven Jan 10, 1:35 p.m.

    A lot of you should be ashamed for the comments you've been making. Easy to do behind a keyboard since you don't have to post using your real name.

  • ctya Jan 10, 1:33 p.m.

    Wow so full of racist comment and unhappy people. Will there be a do I can come to GOLO and there's nothing about race, color, rich or poor. This goes to show where our country is.

  • hedgy_one Jan 10, 1:29 p.m.

    I would like to see Cassandra Deck Brown get it. She has been interim chief twice now. I think she is qualified for the job, and she knows Raleigh and the police officers. She wouldn't be going in "blind" to problems & needs!

  • carlostheass Jan 10, 1:16 p.m.

    "As a black man and a CEO of a staffing company I question if these candidates are just being considered for the color of their skin rather than their qualifications. I for one am completely AGAINST affirmative action." -- Enough is Enough

    My hat is off to you, sir. What a well-written and spot-on comment. I wouldn't hesitate to hire anyone of ANY race...provided that they're the best candidate. Plain and simple.

  • kmt Jan 10, 1:05 p.m.

    maybe there's a deliberate attempt to diversify city staff. at the end of the day, most of the city staff are white. so a black will be police chief. what about the hundreds of other positions?

    and what i like about this is its straight forward. they always know what they're looking for before "finalists" are picked. they diverse the candidate pool for political correctness. so you people won't complain. but here, there's no deceit nor trickery.

    and just in time for these new gun laws. its about to get serious son.

  • Relic Jan 10, 12:59 p.m.

    "....who would have been Fayetteville’s first black police chief,"

    I agree. Fayetteville is a department that needs modernization, better technology, a Chief that can go to private companies and partner with them to produce equipment and in-car information systems that allow the OFFICER ON THE STREET to know what's going on, where and when at all times. Harold Medlock is a recognized innovator in these and other areas and as the Assistant Chief in Charlotte he was asked by groups around the nation to come and speak on the recent changes made at Charlotte Mecklinburg. There was little in Aziz's bio that showed that he would be able to do these things. That comment is a slap at a well qualified career officer.

  • Relic Jan 10, 12:55 p.m.

    OK...Now that the fact that all three of the candidates are "black" let's look at another issue: What is the shape of the Department that they are currently working at? Deck-Brown is an in-house officer so my first questions would be "What have you done ON YOUR OWN to make Raleigh a better place?" I would try to avoid Mr. Aziz for the simple fact that Raleigh is very little like Dallas and I wouldn't want to be seen taking the candidate who was #2 for Fayetteville. In doing some research, Richmond VA has show a lot of improvement in the last few years after having several sections of the city that had some of the highest crime rates in the nation and almost as many homicides as DC. Richmond is bigger than Raleigh but has similar demographics so my guess would be Chief Norwood. Let's see if the council sees it that way.

  • lilgtogirl Jan 10, 12:52 p.m.

    Dallas has too many problems to seriously consider anyone who works there. He obviously didn't do anything impressive there or it wouldn't still be a dump. I have to say that the response time of the local police has been so great for us the past couple of years. I think the current interim chief should get the job.

  • ups1158 Jan 10, 12:51 p.m.

    oh, if your a white male, your chances of getting a upper management job in government, either local or federal, is little to zero. I don't care what your qualifications are. I personally know way to many cases of that.

  • map1agmachining Jan 10, 12:51 p.m.

    Why isn't there a latino in this group?

  • Harrison Bergeron Jan 10, 12:42 p.m.

    "I truely hope these are the top three candidates, but I am affraid that is not indeed the case. I hope I am wrong. I just want the best person regardless of sex or color." -Enough is Enough People

    Prepare to be disappointed.

    The legitimization of the nonsensical doctrine of "disparate impact", especially in the arenas of public safety (police, fire, etc.), has all but ensured that whatever flicker of meritocracy that does exist in public safety workforces will be extinguished.

  • me2you Jan 10, 12:41 p.m.

    How many police chiefs in larger cities are black? bet it's a lot.

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 10, 12:39 p.m.

    ". . . vibrant diversity".

    Huh?

  • mm23 Jan 10, 12:33 p.m.

    "....who would have been Fayetteville’s first black police chief," Until we stop calling attention to a person's race as a qualifier, there will always be a divide. As to the 3 finalists being black, I don't see that as an issue IF they are all truly among the most qualified. Which they may be in a pool of only 50 candidates. (btw, i find that number very low).Personally, knowing only what is in this article I vote for the current RPD interim chief. Many times the most effective manager is the one who began in the trenches.

  • Enough is Enough People Jan 10, 12:01 p.m.

    I am a bit bothered that all of the candidates currently being considered are all black.

    As a black man and a CEO of a staffing company I question if these candidates are just being considered for the color of their skin rather than their qualifications. I for one am completely AGAINST affirmative action. It truly is no longer needed and often people selected soley based upon the color of their skin to meet a quota or to adhear to the 4/5 rule. Furthermore, those of color who have obtained positions of power are often viewed as having obtained the job due to affirmative action. All men are women are equal, regardless of color. The "man" isnt holding me down and never has. I grew up dirt poor in a fatherless home and I got to where I am at by working my tail off and not taking a handout from anyone.

    I truely hope these are the top three candidates, but I am affraid that is not indeed the case. I hope I am wrong. I just want the best person regardless of sex or color.

  • 4Strikes Jan 10, 12:00 p.m.

    "Why is everything posted anymore have to be about a person's color! Who cares what color their skin is..." Caring

    Obviously whoever is selecting the candiates! That is one of the primary criteria for this or any other government job. Those of you squaking about racism need to be squaking at them, not those of us who are pointing out the obvious.

  • Harrison Bergeron Jan 10, 11:59 a.m.

    "Yeah, there's no diversity in the cadidate pool. What gives?" - umop apisdn

    On the contrary, the finalist pool is 100% vibrant diversity.

  • Relic Jan 10, 11:58 a.m.

    "Time to wake up, diversity is here."

    In this case it's kind of hard to find "diversity" in these finalist. Please, spare me the liberal appologetics of "diversity". There have been many, many latino, african american and female police chiefs across the country and in NC. Just look around this area: Durham - latino Chief; Carborro - Female; Cary - Female; Mooresville - Black male; Greensboro - history of black male chiefs. This is nothing "new" where suddenly Police Departments CEO's are "unmarginalized". Do you know when many of the remarks you call "racist" will stop? When we all (and I mean ALL) can begin to LET GO THE ANGER of a past that we can't change and were not responsible for and just be "people".

  • 4Strikes Jan 10, 11:56 a.m.

    "God bless your prejudice souls! Would you have been making the same comments if it were three white candidates? (Ans. No!). These are simply three highly qualified individuals and the two of you are bringing the "race card" into the conversation. Typical!" bestrosie

    Qualifications have nothing to do with it. Anyone not blinded by their progressive stupidity can see that.

  • kermit60 Jan 10, 11:41 a.m.

    Racist comments maybe, but if all three canidates were white and one belonged to an all white police organization, you could bet the NC NAACP would be demanding an investigation.

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 10, 11:38 a.m.

    Oh my!!!!

  • Emperor Jan 10, 11:27 a.m.

    @ atheistswillrule: "This comment board is filled to the brim with simmering racism..."

    Years ago the definition of racism was clear. To be a racist was to believe that one race was inherently or genetically superior to another. I have not read any racist comments on this board.

    "Time to wake up, diversity is here."
    There are some very important fields of work that our society depends on to survive. You need to keep your "diversity" out of: the military, first responders (including police work), the legal field, the medical field and engineering. The most qualified, no matter their race, need to occupy these professions.

    "... I am happy to see people who have been marginalized for the entirety of our nations history have a chance now."
    I am tired of 'UN-marginalizing' a people.

  • scrita Jan 10, 11:17 a.m.

    You mean like America from 1776-1970's? All those CENTURIES of "discrimination against whites"?

    This comment board is filled to the brim with simmering racism, snarky comments and poorly delivered bigoted sarcasm. Time to wake up, diversity is here. Sorry it upsets you so. I am white, but I am happy to see people who have been marginalized for the entirety of our nations history have a chance now.

    and, that justifies the current discrimination against whites???

  • Caring Jan 10, 11:14 a.m.

    Why is everything posted anymore have to be about a person's color! Who cares what color their skin is...if they can get the job done than let that person be!

  • Emperor Jan 10, 11:09 a.m.

    Re: "Where did you hear that from? I know of no officer that didn't start their career in patrol." by Relic
    I know officers (not in RPD) that have never been on patrol and answered calls. Yes, nearly all officers graduate from the police academy and go to patrol. But any officer that has not spent at least 5 years on patrol, answering calls for service, does not know police work. I know of high ranking police administrators, with little experience dealing with the criminals of our society, face to face. These administrators make decisions based on 'politics'. Often, these decisions reduce moral of the patrol officers who risk their lives while we sleep, while we enjoy birthdays, anniversaries and holidays with our families. Imagine 1 week without patrol officers working. Our society would be in chaos. An administrator who has not worked on patrol does not have the respect of those officers who risk so much.

  • kris517 Jan 10, 11:08 a.m.

    Why is it so, unbelievable that the most qualified candidates are black? Perhaps the candidates are most qualified despite their race and not because of it. Just a thought.

  • Honesty first Jan 10, 10:55 a.m.

    If you saw the comments made by Deck-Brown after the murder in Cameron Village, you would NEVER want her to be speaking for Raleigh in any capacity. She could not put a coherant sentence together. Her rambling made no sense at all. She was trying so hard to look like and expert in charge and the opposite was what she provided. Knowing our City Manager, he will hire the least qualified person based on his past performance.

  • rightisright58 Jan 10, 10:46 a.m.

    Whatever happened to a commonly used tool of the past?? "Hiring the qualified from within"!!! I'm pretty sure we already have someone who could take over this position and ensure a smooth transition!

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 10, 10:39 a.m.

    Dallas candidate is head of National Black Police Association.

    EZee, I guess only black cops should arrest blacks, and all white cops should arrest whites then. Hey, maybe we should drink from different water fountains too? (Sarcasm to make point)

    Using this logic, or any logic that is based on ones skin color, is by definition racist. Your comments would indicate there is lots of Racism in the folks of color that are involved in high crime rate areas. Please contact NAACP and get them on board to denounce it and do something that can really advance colored people. I crave for the time when MLKs dream will be a reality, that folks will be judged by their character, period.

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