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  • piene2 Jan 10, 9:30 a.m.

    "bubbba - "I can guarantee my bullets go right where I want them too."

    Do you mean like the two local cops that have shot themselves lately? Or do you mean like the cop in New york City that shot nine innocent bystanders recently? One wonders if they had any training as well.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 7:22 p.m.

    Paddie - "The houses were there before the range. Either the owner or his father was a Harnett county commissioner before this past election when he was not re-elected. Interesting..."

    Interesting indeed!!!

    The range should never have been approved to be built there. When one drives past, it looks like an exclusive, yet not posh, club with fencing all around it.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 7:21 p.m.

    bdu - "Were the houses built after the range? Were the houses built outside the legal distance for firing a weapon near a dwelling?"

    Good questions!

    I know the horse farm has been there for a long long time. Not sure which came first though, the firing range or the horse farm.

    As for comparing a firing range to a drag strip, noise does not kill, bullets do.

    Now one thing I think is funny is city folk who relocate to the country and then complain about the smell.

    GUFFAW

  • paddie Jan 9, 7:01 p.m.

    The houses were there before the range. Either the owner or his father was a Harnett county commissioner before this past election when he was not re-elected. Interesting.....

  • bdu4dals2 Jan 9, 6:24 p.m.

    Were the houses built after the range? Were the houses built outside the legal distance for firing a weapon near a dwelling? I want to build a house in this woods, so we need to take away the business that has been there...how is that right? No different than the guy that built his house near a dragstrip and now does not like the noise. The bullet that supposedly hit a house, proof it came from the range? I'm just saying...

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 6:17 p.m.

    bubbba - "Hey Dynol I got much education but anyone that uses the acronym LOL or ROLOL tells me all I need to know."

    If you're meaning you think I'm some young whippersnapper, well - ROFLOL LOL LOL.

    I'm an old broad Bubbba, an old computer savvy broad.

    GUFFAW

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 6:15 p.m.

    Damien Thorne - "I am afraid that there are a lot of people that do not follow common sense. Some near me never even heard of it."

    Well, ya know, I was born and raised a long long time ago, and it seems to me, the more book learning folks get, the less common sense they have, cause common sense just doesn't seem to be so common anymore.

    Have ya noticed that?

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 6:13 p.m.

    bubbba - "I can guarantee my bullets go right where I want them too."

    I've was trained in firearms use from the age of 10. I served in the military for three years during the Vietnam years. No one can guarantee that 100%, cause sometimes stuff just happens.

    I know what you mean about the couple on Lane Street. My heart aches for them because I know even if they heal physically, they will never ever feel safe anywhere again, even in their own home.

    I'm not saying we should lose our firearms, I'll take an "armed" stand on that, but a firing range within range of subdivisions and farms is just plain ludicrous.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 6:11 p.m.

    bubbba - "Hey Dynol I got much education but anyone that uses the acronym LOL or ROLOL tells me all I need to know."

    Whatever that means.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 9, 6:01 p.m.

    "But if you're near a subdivision, even "wayyy out in the country" you follow the rules that have to do with discharging firearms around others which were born out of plain old common sense, not "who was there first" logic."-----Dynol Yn Cael Ei

    I am afraid that there are a lot of people that do not follow common sense. Some near me never even heard of it.

  • bubbba Jan 9, 5:54 p.m.

    If you can GUARANTEE keeping your bullets on your property, then go for it.

    I can guarantee my bullets go right where I want them too.
    So do most of the guys I know that have guns and know how to use them. It's the ones that break into your house and assault your wife and shoot the guy's wife in the spine and he is now paralized that I am worried about....
    ie...Lane St. Raleigh yesterday.

  • Wolfpack7070 Jan 9, 5:52 p.m.

    Dynol Yn Cael Ei - Ever been to Drakes Landing? Ever been to an outdoor firing range? What do you consider "nearby"? The truth is that Drakes landing is very safe and well regulated. There has NEVER been a proven case that a bullet from Drakes has ever left their property. It is a very rural area where many private citizens have ranges on their private property. There are also a large number of hunters in that area. I highly doubt that the bullets came from a very safe well regulated range.

  • bubbba Jan 9, 5:49 p.m.

    Hey Dynol I got much education but anyone that uses the acronym LOL or ROLOL tells me all I need to know.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 5:43 p.m.

    Wolfpack7070 - "You are a few fries short of a happy meal"

    So are most Wolfpack fans.

    Ever notice that? They rarely win any games. ROFLOL

  • Wolfpack7070 Jan 9, 5:41 p.m.

    "...according to the Harnett County Sheriff's Office, there have been at least five cases of stray bullets hitting homes or cars in the area."

    I can understand their concern then.

    I thought Drake's was for paintball shooting only. Am surprised they allow live ammo there because it IS nearby MANY homes and farms.

    What was the county thinking allowing that there in the first place?

    Insane!!!
    Dynol Yn Cael Ei
    January 9, 2013 5:13 p.m.
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    You are a few fries short of a happy meal

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 5:23 p.m.

    And bubbba -

    "I got a five foot chain link fence around my property. Deers jump like it's nothing."

    They ABSOLUTELY do, that's how they get onto the expressways, they jump the fence barrier.

    "They eat what they want because they are starving because of all the little neighborhoods growing up all around."

    Take comfort in knowing even Martha Stewart has this problem. I read it in a magazine a couple years back. ROFLOL

    "Yes I keep moving but people like you keep coming here, and when you get here you start compaining."

    Seems you've forgotten the "common sense when discharging firearms" rule Bubbba.

    Would you want any of these people coming right into your nice 5' fenced yard to discharge a firearm?

    Now you're going to say, no - cause that's private property.

    Problem is, Bubbba, bullets don't obey property lines or No Trespassing signs, and THAT is where the problem lies.

    If you can GUARANTEE keeping your bullets on your property, then go for it.

    That's all you're entitled to.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 5:18 p.m.

    bubbba - "Well what's wrong with the simple logic of 'who was there first?'"

    The first question I would ask is, were those who "was there first" obeying the law before neighbors moved in?

    I live wayyy out in the country. There's rounds going off around us all the time. We expect some of that cause we're "wayyy out in the country." But if you're near a subdivision, even "wayyy out in the country" you follow the rules that have to do with discharging firearms around others which were born out of plain old common sense, not "who was there first" logic.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 5:15 p.m.

    lrfarms - "Thats what is so funny about this whole thing is that you can hear and literally feel the bombing range in Lejune in those neighborhoods that they live in and they go all day and all night sometimes!"

    I live near there. That isn't sounds from LeJeune. Those are sounds from Pope and Bragg. But I know what you mean. They'll fire off those bombs, and you can literally feel the percussion in your bones, and we're easily 30-40 miles away from Bragg and Pope out here.

    Still, being a Veteran, I fully understand and appreciate the need to train.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Jan 9, 5:13 p.m.

    "...according to the Harnett County Sheriff's Office, there have been at least five cases of stray bullets hitting homes or cars in the area."

    I can understand their concern then.

    I thought Drake's was for paintball shooting only. Am surprised they allow live ammo there because it IS nearby MANY homes and farms.

    What was the county thinking allowing that there in the first place?

    Insane!!!

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 5:04 p.m.

    My wife and I lived in Dundas Va. for 7+ Years. We were 7 or 8 Miles from Fort Pickett. When The A10 Warthogs came in for gunnery practice it sounded like they were in the front yard. Jets screaming overhead in tight turns--and you know what--sounded like "Freedom" to us. Noisy, yes, but it didn't go on all day or everyday. Drakes landing is not open all day or every day either. Deal with it !! Or Move !!

    bowslinger70

    Thats what is so funny about this whole thing is that you can hear and literally feel the bombing range in Lejune in those neighborhoods that they live in and they go all day and all night sometimes!

    Not one word by these homeowners about that?

  • bowslinger70 Jan 9, 4:49 p.m.

    My wife and I lived in Dundas Va. for 7+ Years. We were 7 or 8 Miles from Fort Pickett. When The A10 Warthogs came in for gunnery practice it sounded like they were in the front yard. Jets screaming overhead in tight turns--and you know what--sounded like "Freedom" to us. Noisy, yes, but it didn't go on all day or everyday. Drakes landing is not open all day or every day either. Deal with it !! Or Move !!

  • bubbba Jan 9, 4:20 p.m.

    a good laugh to read those who defend this action with the "who was here first" argument. It is the same people who are out in their backyards shooting deer and complaining that they are encroaching on their property or eating their plants or the population is getting too big. I guess you don't need a gun to hunt deer if you have logic like that?
    lost in translation
    January 9, 2013 12:36 p.m.
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    Well what's wrong with the simple logic of "who was there first?"
    And by the way, I got a five foot chain link fence around my property. Deers jump like it's nothing. They eat what they want because they are starving because of all the little neighborhoods growing up all around. Yes I keep moving but people like you keep coming here, and when you get here you start compaining.

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 3:51 p.m.

    We are talking about an establishment that has slid under the fence of the rules based on a classificatoin that it may not be entitled to

    How do you know that they "slid under the fence?"

    I also have a hard time believing that most of Drake's supporters would be OK fine if someone they cared about get's hit with a stray bullet..

    the bullets aren't coming from Drake. the people who are complaining about strays hitting their house don't even live in the same direction that the rifle range is used in.

    I lived right there where all of this is going on for almost three years. These people were the same way then as they are now. they're just PO'ed b/c the range makes noise.

  • puzzled Jan 9, 3:45 p.m.

    And we know that the law is not enforced by money, etc? If you don't want to hear shooting, don't buy near a shooting range. If you don't want to hear church music, don't buy near a church. If you aare there and they try to come then you can complain. Geeze! In America we are going to have to ask Big Daddy how much of the air we can breathe before long. I am not a fan of shooting/guns/knives, etc. but people have always enjoyed target practing,etc. If I don't like the noise from the football stadium, should they close the stadium or are we talking double standards here????

  • Damien Thorne Jan 9, 3:39 p.m.

    "There are geniuses around here that shoot in their yards. It goes on for hours sometimes, even AFTER dark. It IS unnerving...you never know when you'll hear a bullet whiz by, and getting hit with shotgun pellets falling from the sky is routine.

    Of course, if you complain, they call you names like "gun hating liberal". No, we ain't liberals, and we don't hate guns...we just don't like constant gunfire coming from next door!"-----SARCASTICLES

    Very good point, instead of others who did not read your comment or have no comprehension I understand exactly what it is like to have neighbors with just under two acre lots constantly shooting, and having pellets hit your property. That is exactly why I started the Johnston County gun ordinances.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 9, 3:35 p.m.

    "It's a good laugh to read those who defend this action with the "who was here first" argument. It is the same people who are out in their backyards shooting deer and complaining that they are encroaching on their property or eating their plants or the population is getting too big. I guess you don't need a gun to hunt deer if you have logic like that?"---lost in translation

    Yep, the ignorance is strong in this one. Wanting to compare a single shot or two to thousands of shots. And your generalization is way off the mark.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 9, 3:32 p.m.

    "If you don't like the noise go somewhere else...a tropical island, a mountain top, etc.

    This is a free country, move as you wish...no one is keeping you there next to your "war zone""----lrfarms27572

    Which came first, his presence there or the shooting range? If the shooting range was first then no right to complain. If the person hearing it did, then the shooting range is disturbing the peace that the homeowner bought the house for.

  • Damien Thorne Jan 9, 3:29 p.m.

    "SARCASTICLES pontificates: "and getting hit with shotgun pellets falling from the sky is routine." You must be really close..cause "Pellets from 12-gauge target loads fired at flying target will likely fall to the ground inside of 200 yards," says shooting expert Frank Ventimiglia, vice-president of Shooter's Choice gun care products. I mean close enough you could yell at 'em to stop and be careful...right?"---durham4sale

    Perhaps he should stop inviting Dick Cheney over.

  • Pirate01 Jan 9, 3:27 p.m.

    Don't like the noise....move. I have to listem to peoples bad music blaring from their cars while I am at home and on the road.

  • Wolfpack7070 Jan 9, 3:24 p.m.

    I hunt about 1 mile from Drakes Landing. I can assure you that there are many private ranges in that area as well as Drakes Landing, Not to mention all of the hunters that us that area as well. There is no way anyone can determine that those rounds came from Drake Landing......

  • ruttroww Jan 9, 3:03 p.m.

    I have shot there a few times. On the 200 yrd rifle range I don't see how you could shoot over the berm. They have placed 2x12's across the front of the shooting stations so you are forced to shoot in a downward direction. It is a nice facility to shoot at.

  • fishon Jan 9, 3:02 p.m.

    Will these folks agree that when someone dies, that we should then shut this place down?...or maybe 2 or 3 deaths?...10 or 12? What's your magic number?
    allinfantsareatheist

    What is you magic number for auto deaths?

  • katgotyertongue Jan 9, 2:49 p.m.

    Being from a farm community elsewhere in the world I can understand the attitude of the writers who pretty much say "who was there first wins" and for the most part I cannot agree more. If you knowingly move near an airport, shopping center, hog lagoon, chicken farm or train track, than you have to tolerate the annoyances that go along with it. Believe be I always knew when the spring spreading started to take place and I lived in the village. However, we aren't talking about noxious odors, air traffic or traffic. We are talking about an establishment that has slid under the fence of the rules based on a classificatoin that it may not be entitled to. If this establishment was anything but a shooting range would most of these comments be so negative. I also have a hard time believing that most of Drake's supporters would be OK fine if someone they cared about get's hit with a stray bullet. I'm sure they'd be understanding and forgiving with the extra medical or funeral expense.

  • Paul M Jan 9, 2:42 p.m.

    leeloo67
    " Your lawful use of your own property ends when it interferes with your neighbors' quiet enjoyment of their own property. As someone who lives 3 miles from the Johnston County Shooter and has therefore suffered much loss of sleep, I can relate..."

    Did you know it was there when you moved there ?

  • smcallah Jan 9, 2:38 p.m.

    "Your lawful use of your own property ends when it interferes with your neighbors' quiet enjoyment of their own property. As someone who lives 3 miles from the Johnston County Shooter and has therefore suffered much loss of sleep, I can relate..."

    Lawful use of your property ends where the LAW says it does. I assume you meant that since you used the world "lawful."

    Whatever the law says is how it goes. It doesn't matter who was there first or who was there last. What matters is the law.

  • smcallah Jan 9, 2:31 p.m.

    "A few years later a kid who was a teen at the time came forward and confessed to discharging the weapon that killed the boy. That was in a residential neighorhood that didn't have a shooting range that shoots thousands of rounds a day. Which one of you will buy one of these homes and without fear let your children or grandchildren play outside?"

    You just compared a teenager murdering a boy in a residential area and not telling anyone to a shooting range where people are shooting in a rural area.

    Those two things aren't the same, so your question is being lead by emotion of an unrelated item.

    I'll agree that the gun range should do something about strays if they are able to reach homes. But the people shooting there are not purposely shooting towards houses, as the teen in your story, they'd be tarred and feathered by the other people shooting there if they were. People will jump all over you for gun safety at an indoor range.

  • JohnnyVoodoo Jan 9, 2:31 p.m.

    Oh please....people who live in West Cary complain about EVERYTHING.

  • jasonconaway6969 Jan 9, 2:15 p.m.

    Tell you what if I had someone build a shooting range near my house, and was finding bullet holes in my walls, that would be the end of that range! Period! I love guns, but I have 3 kids and a wife.

  • piene2 Jan 9, 1:50 p.m.

    ""If you were a liberal gun hater how easy would it be to shoot your own house then call a reporter for a photo op to further your agenda. Just more of the same liberal attacks on every front."

    pretty sure a "liberal gun hater" would not actually own a gun to shoot their own house with.

    grasp at straws much?
    oakcity"

    Well I did try making my fist into a gun shape and yelling "Bang!" but it did not work.

  • Sherlock Jan 9, 1:46 p.m.

    Why are their rights any less than others?

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 1:41 p.m.

    Your lawful use of your own property ends when it interferes with your neighbors' quiet enjoyment of their own property. As someone who lives 3 miles from the Johnston County Shooter and has therefore suffered much loss of sleep, I can relate...

    leeloo67

    Drake Landing does not operate at night....

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 1:40 p.m.

    lrfarms27572...evidently you don't live near a shooting range. If you did you would totally understand my comment. We have one not too far from us. It sounds like a warzone over there. Even on Sunday....The occasional train is NOTHING like a shooting range. Sorry but it isn't.

    paddie

    I used to live near Drake Landing....just b/c someone dislikes the noise is no cause to make a law against it.

    If you don't like the noise go somewhere else...a tropical island, a mountain top, etc.

    This is a free country, move as you wish...no one is keeping you there next to your "war zone"

  • leeloo67 Jan 9, 1:16 p.m.

    Your lawful use of your own property ends when it interferes with your neighbors' quiet enjoyment of their own property. As someone who lives 3 miles from the Johnston County Shooter and has therefore suffered much loss of sleep, I can relate...

  • paddie Jan 9, 1:15 p.m.

    lrfarms27572...evidently you don't live near a shooting range. If you did you would totally understand my comment. We have one not too far from us. It sounds like a warzone over there. Even on Sunday....The occasional train is NOTHING like a shooting range. Sorry but it isn't.

  • paradiselost Jan 9, 1:11 p.m.

    Lived nearby for 11 years and aside from the noise, never had a problem. Used the facilities at Drake's and find it difficult to believe stray rounds find their way outside the red zone. Stray rounds most likely from hunters using the surrounding areas. Do wish they would give it a rest on Sunday though (the noise).

  • durham4sale Jan 9, 1:11 p.m.

    SARCASTICLES pontificates: "and getting hit with shotgun pellets falling from the sky is routine."
    You must be really close..cause "Pellets from 12-gauge target loads fired at flying target will likely fall to the ground inside of 200 yards," says shooting expert Frank Ventimiglia, vice-president of Shooter's Choice gun care products. I mean close enough you could yell at 'em to stop and be careful...right?

  • mojridingrb Jan 9, 1:07 p.m.

    I am sure Drake Landing is loving all the free publicity they are getting over this.

  • SARCASTICLES Jan 9, 1:05 p.m.

    Incidentally, I didn't "Know it was here before I moved here"....I've lived here since Ike was in the White House.

    The gunfire is coming from the yards of the people who MOVED here....just so you know, Sgt. Rock.

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 1:02 p.m.

    IMO, the noise alone is enough of a reason to change the law.

    paddie

    so i should be able to petition CSX to move their train tracks the run near my house?

  • lrfarms27572 Jan 9, 1:01 p.m.

    Which one of you will buy one of these homes and without fear let your children or grandchildren play outside?

    katgotyertongue

    me! b/c i did and lived there for close to three years!

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