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  • driverkid3 Jan 9, 11:47 a.m.

    I think they will end up with purdue in that position.

  • sbr1963 Jan 9, 11:03 a.m.

    These clowns longer have my support. Good luck getting the bond money you need when that appears on the ballot. I would not trust them with a dollar!

  • superman Jan 9, 9:37 a.m.

    Basic qualifications should be have a PhD. At least 3 years as an asst. supt, and possess supt's certification. Tata didnt have any of these. While Tata may have done a good job he was not paper qualified. I think they could have done much better when the salary was 250K.

  • beaupeep Jan 8, 7:39 p.m.

    Mr. Martin: I'm ashamed that you represent me.

    Please try to act more like an adult.

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 7:10 p.m.

    Deadlock? With 5 Democrats and 3 Republicans voting - it is odd to have a deadlock.

  • common_sense_plz Jan 8, 6:17 p.m.

    I guess advertising for the position is ancient. If you have to hire a firm to find a future employee, then you have no business running a school or anykind of business. This is another waste of tax payers money even by the previous board majority and the current board.

  • Screw WrAl Jan 8, 5:24 p.m.

    The so called Great Schools in Wake group is few and all of them are certified nuts. Their reason for being is far, far from what their name implies. Beware of how they are manipulating your child's future.

  • whyalltheproblems Jan 8, 4:55 p.m.

    what an ever livin' mess.

  • lunarmodule Jan 8, 4:51 p.m.

    Nauti-Dog, the previous Republican led spent $82,000 on a search firm (Hedrick & Struggles, I think) to find Tata...they choose the most expensive search option as I recall. There is no indication that the current board will go this route.

  • swray001 Jan 8, 4:39 p.m.

    Democrats control the school board, so they have to spend taxpayers money. What a waste, that is what you get when you depend on the liberals.

  • lunarmodule Jan 8, 4:23 p.m.

    Westernwake1, Great Schools (greatschools.org) is not the same thing as Great Schools in Wake.

  • Nauti-dog Jan 8, 4:11 p.m.

    What could a search possibly entail that would cost $85k???? And I agree with an earlier post about them deciding fire Tata with a quickness but can't hire someone without blowing tens of thousands on a "search firm". $tupid politics

  • The Anti Hans Jan 8, 3:13 p.m.

    Can we get an independent search firm to find a new school board? The whole lot of these clowns need to be ousted.

  • Z Man Jan 8, 3:13 p.m.

    I guess they just don't care how they waste the taxpayers money.

  • 321oohaw Jan 8, 3:06 p.m.

    pay a search firm to help hire someone you will probably fire after 1 year on the job

  • HanginTough Jan 8, 2:56 p.m.

    another wonderful use of tax payer money...just assign close to where they live...end of story...quit busing them all over just to make the colors equal...that is not real life and they need to go ahead and learn that early...just think of all the gas money that would save if you had several buses for a few localized...of course we all know they more kids that are on F&R lunch the more money a school gets...so again it is not about education and using the tools you have...it's about money...

  • madntad Jan 8, 2:29 p.m.

    Wouldnt have to waste the money if you had just let Tata do his job....BUUUTTT NNNNOOOOO no in line with the oh mighty Dems

  • djofraleigh Jan 8, 2:20 p.m.

    Had they not fired him, he could be earning that $250,000 now and not be the state appointed transportation director.

  • itsyoureternalsoul Jan 8, 2:14 p.m.

    Any superintendent with half sense should RUN from that search committee

  • Screw WrAl Jan 8, 2:01 p.m.

    why? can't do the job on their own? because no one is interested in this dysfunctional school system?

    this board does as it wishes 24/7 and so will the public at the next bond vote.

    when they vote NO, loud and clear.

  • notkidding Jan 8, 1:46 p.m.

    Ohhh, stop wasting time and $$ ... just pick Barber as the new Super, he's the Puppeteer of the Dems on the Board anyway.

  • Smiley30 Jan 8, 1:44 p.m.

    The best candidates do not want to work a Superintendent job with the turnover rate of a drive through attendant.
    cbrandonwilliamson
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    This sound like the perfect system to work for if you ask me. All you have to do is let the political winds blow the other direction and you get a fat severance package. It's not like Burns or Tata needed to be fired. They both were doing a solid job. The BOE just seems to want a yes man to support whatever side is in control. This is the problem. A spot on the BOE should not be partisan.

  • Smiley30 Jan 8, 1:40 p.m.

    I guess the school board has plenty of money to burn? I don't see anything wrong with our school board accepting applications, combing through them and interviewing people. I am disgusted that they are willing to pay that amount of money to find candidates for the Superintendent position. The amount of money that has been spent to fire two good Superintendents is a ridiculous amount. If the Board doesn't like the Superintendent they should wait until their contract is up before they let them go. Last I checked the BOE has spent close to $1 million over the last 3 years to pay two men not to work. Pretty ridiculous considering that they have made cuts virtually everywhere in the county outside of the Central Office.

  • scousler Jan 8, 1:29 p.m.

    All these smart educated people need to hire outside help to hire their boss? Seems like the only thing they excel at is to spend taxpayer money. Why can't they just post an opening, review resumes and interview candidates like other firms do?

  • cjw6105 Jan 8, 1:27 p.m.

    The winning candidate will not be a Republican and/or a conservative in any area, social or fiscal. The winning candidate will not believe in parents making school or program choices for their children. The winning candidate will oppose armed school personnel in Wake elementary schools.

    The winning candidate will be a social liberal Democrat. The winning candidate will have extensive administrative experience in an urban setting. The winning candidate will see proper racial balance as the Holy Grail of the Wake school system and money will be no issue in achieving that ideal. The winning candidate will believe forced assignment of students to both magnet and year-round programs is for the greater good of the community. The winning candidate will make preservation of magnet schools inside the Beltline a top priority, regardless of cost. The winning candidate will be paid more than any of their predecessors. If the winning candidate is female or a minority, so much the better.

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 1:16 p.m.

    "WAKE COUNTY (WTVD) -- Wake County is getting high marks nationally because of its schools. Although the district is plagued by controversy right now, the website called Great Schools ranks Raleigh as the nation's number one destination for public schools. .... However, editors also praised the Wake County system for the old socio-economic diversity policy and cautioned that, "the future of this stellar district is in doubt. An election last fall changed the makeup of the school board and the new board recently voted to end the diversity policy."

    This is a joke. Great Schools in Wake is one of the most destructive organizations in the history of Wake County. This group is solely focussed on bringing back the failed Diversity policy that has been proven to provide no educational benefit whatsoever.

    The group's website tries to tie diversity with success of the schools. Anyone can try to claim that "nation's number one destination for public schools". It does not make it so.

  • Terkel Jan 8, 1:11 p.m.

    "My dear old grandfather, a poor southern farmer, said it all his life: "Anybody who votes for a republican deserves everything that happens to him." :-)" birkie

    I'd quote LBJ, but it's vulgar and wouldn't be posted here. But it's the one that ends "...voting Democrat for the next 200 years!"

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 1:08 p.m.

    "Westernwake says "simply not true." That is itself not true, though. A simple web search finds it automatically, see below. Westernwake, what criteria are you using to judge "best school system" status? North Carolina's Wake County Public School System School District contains 25 high schools. The district contains 3 schools that received gold, silver, or bronze medals in U.S. News's Best High Schools rankings" - birkie74693

    Pull up the rankings for the top 250 public schools in the U.S. from US News or any other source. The only school from Wake County on the list is Raleigh Charter (not a public school). Having a few gold, silver, or bronze medal schools is nearly meaningless when your overall system test scores are barely above the national average. There are other school districts where every high school is a gold, silver, or bronze medalist. Can you explain why only 3 schools in Wake are?

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings

  • Terkel Jan 8, 1:07 p.m.

    Does this "search firm" have a name, or just connections?

  • cbrandonwilliamson Jan 8, 12:58 p.m.

    The best candidates do not want to work a Superintendent job with the turnover rate of a drive through attendant.

  • Nancy Jan 8, 12:41 p.m.

    birkie, Great Schools huh? What criteria do they use to judge which schools they consider great?

  • Stringbean Jan 8, 12:36 p.m.

    They should also look for someone to hire a "clue" because clearly they done have one !

  • birkie74693 Jan 8, 12:29 p.m.

    Westernwake says "simply not true." That is itself not true, though. A simple web search finds it automatically, see below. Westernwake, what criteria are you using to judge "best school system" status?
    North Carolina's Wake County Public School System School District contains 25 high schools. The district contains 3 schools that received gold, silver, or bronze medals in U.S. News's Best High Schools rankings.

    WAKE COUNTY (WTVD) -- Wake County is getting high marks nationally because of its schools.
    Although the district is plagued by controversy right now, the website called Great Schools ranks Raleigh as the nation's number one destination for public schools. ....
    However, editors also praised the Wake County system for the old socio-economic diversity policy and cautioned that, "the future of this stellar district is in doubt. An election last fall changed the makeup of the school board and the new board recently voted to end the diversity policy."

  • hlcarithers Jan 8, 12:27 p.m.

    THE SCHOOL BPARD COULDN'T LEAD SOMEONE TO A WATER FOUNTAIN,THEY CAN'T STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER TO RUN THE SCHOOL BOARD,AND NOT DEM AND REP. FIGHTING DEM AGAINST DEM. THEY NEED TO LEAVE THIER POLITICS AT THE DOOR AND WORRY ABOUT THE CHILDREN OF WAKE COUNTY,FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE SENT HOME AND WAKE COUNTY NEEDS TO START OVER.

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 12:10 p.m.

    "You know, Wake County had one of the BEST school systems in the country, no joke, until the North Raleigh bunch elected those republicans to the board. They managed to turn a superb school system into a steaming pile (thanks to a previous poster for that nice figure of speech.)" - birkie74693

    This is simply not true. From a national level the Wake County School System is medicore at best in test scores and academics for over 4 decades. Wake County has never had a public high school ranked in the top 250 in the nation.

    Wake county has NEVER been considered one of BEST school systems in the country except by characters who promote diversity over academics.

  • Relic Jan 8, 12:06 p.m.

    .it's because of the teachers.

    Not to nit pick too much, but it's because of the principal's leadership and the involvement of parents in the school as much as teachers. Schools with more parent involvement perform better. Outstanding principals understand that and also foster a culture of high performance by their leadership and interaction with teachers, students and parents. Find an outstanding principal with the right level of education within your own system and promote them and then let them run the schools. If there is not a problem, stay out of it. Granville County is a good example of schools with proven principals and leaders with involved parents.

  • Relic Jan 8, 12:02 p.m.

    What kind of incompetents are they?

    Well compensated.

  • Relic Jan 8, 12:01 p.m.

    My dear old grandfather, a poor southern farmer, said it all his life: "Anybody who votes for a republican deserves everything that happens to him." :-)

    And mine, also a poor southern farmer, said during the Democrat heyday "If you ever think you have too much money just give it to them folks in Raleigh. They'll waste it for you."

  • timetochange Jan 8, 12:00 p.m.

    birkie, the best schools aren't because of the BOE ....it's because of the teachers.

  • Relic Jan 8, 11:59 a.m.

    hire westernwake1 & buddies,,,,seems to know all

    We'd do it for a lot less and probably be more on target. I've been doing personnel searches and selections for over 20 years. I don't know "all" but I'd say I know a "fair middlin'" as the old folks put it.

  • timetochange Jan 8, 11:59 a.m.

    They already have a firm.....it's called the board of education. I don't get it, they fire a superintendent but they can't hire one? What kind of incompetents are they? Another example of wasted money at the hands of politicians who know nothing about education.

  • birkie74693 Jan 8, 11:52 a.m.

    Wasn't George Armstrong Tata, our Little Big Horn superintendent, found by a "superintendent search" also?

    You know, Wake County had one of the BEST school systems in the country, no joke, until the North Raleigh bunch elected those republicans to the board. They managed to turn a superb school system into a steaming pile (thanks to a previous poster for that nice figure of speech.) My own belief is that the conservatives have always wanted to destroy public education. Hiring someone with no qualifications (Tata) was a good first step.

    My dear old grandfather, a poor southern farmer, said it all his life: "Anybody who votes for a republican deserves everything that happens to him." :-)

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 8, 11:52 a.m.

    First it took $250,000 which the county doesn't have to let Tata go. Now it's going to cost another $85,000 the county doesn't have to hire the search firm.

    This $335,000 the county claimed it didn't have, could have been better used funding teacher raises and school supplies.

    Instead teachers are expecting parents to provide school supplies because the county doesn't have the money to buy school supplies.

  • tired2 Jan 8, 11:49 a.m.

    "If they are going to do this, why has it taken them FOUR MONTHS to decide this? UNREAL!".....I don't see any of you looking to join the School Board - but you are very, very quick to judge...who made you maker of the rules???

  • superman Jan 8, 11:47 a.m.

    Well General Tata was more than willing to step into that mess and he cerainly knew what had happened to the last person. Anyone who has a job now would be foolish to even apply. They should at least find someone who is qualified and by that I mean he has a supts. certification from the state. They wouldnt consider hiring teachers who do not have current teacher certification. Experience is great but lets at least have the person qualified on paper.

  • computer trainer Jan 8, 11:36 a.m.

    If they are going to do this, why has it taken them FOUR MONTHS to decide this? UNREAL!

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 11:18 a.m.

    "jason19 makes some good points about centralization, state IT employees not being allowed to do their jobs, and excessive out-sourcing...."

    Sorry this got posted to the wrong thread by me. It belongs on the state IT thread. Please remove if appropriate.

  • ConservativeVoter Jan 8, 11:17 a.m.

    The interesting interview question will be when the candidates ask why the position is open.

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 11:17 a.m.

    "hire westernwake1 & buddies,,,,seems to know all....amazing you people would complain if they decided themselves...now complain about using a search firm....wonder where the problem really is" - tired2

    The problem is that the school board committed to hiring a replacement as quickly as possible by the end of 2012. They only have Gainey's interim contract in place for a short time period and already had to extend it once.

    The hiring of a search firm (something that I support) should have been done within two weeks of firing Tata. - that the school board has waited until January to even hire a search firm is absurd.

  • westernwake1 Jan 8, 11:12 a.m.

    jason19 makes some good points about centralization, state IT employees not being allowed to do their jobs, and excessive out-sourcing.

    The other point I will make after dealing with ITS is that the "IT experts" of the state are focused too much on goverance, paprwork, process (ITIL, etc,), and Enterprise Architecture thoery (TOGAF, etc.). The ITS team is completely incapable of delivering anything 'real'. Actually delivering a meaningful architecture, writing effective software, testing a system. or installing equipment is simply impossible for ITS.

    This is evidenced by their interviews where they ask all sorts of ivory tower questions about ITIL, TOGAF, etc. - and do not look for the skills of actually successfully delivering programs from initial requirements out to successful implementation.

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