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  • donaldsmith123 Jan 11, 2013

    Are you kidding me?These posters live in NC? I might as well move to NJ. No one would wake me up in my bedroom and yes these vermin would be killed. What is wrong with you people? I understand many of you are Obama voters, but these comments are unbelievable.

  • BWWHAAT. Jan 10, 2013

    I wonder which of these bright young men came up with this plan? Guns have a place beside the bed in my home and you would of had to call the morgue had this been my house, not 911.

  • Oakwood Res Jan 9, 2013

    Does anyone have more info on this horrific crime? Seems like several details are missing from the story:

    - Was this a completely random attack?
    - How did they get to the bedroom so quietly (was this planned)?
    - Did they come in armed or did they find a gun inside?
    - If they came in armed, how did the wife escape?
    - Why did they shoot after the wife left and not before?
    - How were police able to find the car so quickly, or were these two riding around looking for more violence?
    - Are there only two suspects?

    Any additional info would be appreciated. Is there a police report that is publicly available?

  • #7 Jan 9, 2013

    Better to have a gun and never need it than to need one and not have it...

    Better to die fighting than to die begging...

  • MarkNC Jan 8, 2013

    Firing in the dark at a darkly clad individual would generally not be an advisable shot.

  • we-r-just-human Jan 8, 2013

    I would much rather have a gun and not use it or get to it, then not have one and wish I did...

  • RM24 Jan 8, 2013

    You guys KILL me with this "if he had a gun he could protect his wife" mumbo jumbo. They were robbed at 2 am in the morning and awaken by those guys. Do you think the guys would sit around and wait for you to get a gun? I am sure they would be like...ok get to your guns.
    LamWal
    January 8, 2013 6:05 p.m.
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    Again nothings 100%. See below reference about JFK assassination! But many are on the night stand. And the odds of getting all the way thru the house unheard is unlikely!

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 8, 2013

    How simply foolish of a post. Stay unarmed. I've trained all of my life and don't have to wait for a police response time to happen. I'll respond instantly. I am the cop on the scene at my home. Feel free to wait on your tax paid security to arrive when they get one clear. Hope your wives and kids don't mind that wait.
    NCHighlander
    January 8, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    Keep dreaming. I am know it makes you feel safer.

  • RM24 Jan 8, 2013

    Like the guy down in Harnett earlier this week. And he had guns. Having a gun may make you feel protected, and safer, but thats all it does. You are not really any better protected.
    Mr. Middle of the Road

    Completely different situations. He knew his attacker. So probably didn't come in thru forced entry and he didn't expect him to attack him. I believe he was found in the yard? However you are correct. Guns are not 100% protection. Afterall JFK was killed with lots of protection. But I assure you a stranger comes in my home unwanted and I have about 3 seconds, things won't be pleasant for him/her.

  • NCHighlander Jan 8, 2013

    It could have ended much worse too. Like the guy down in Harnett earlier this week. And he had guns. Having a gun may make you feel protected, and safer, but thats all it does. You are not really any better protected. It could have ended much worse too. Like the guy down in Harnett earlier this week. And he had guns. Having a gun may make you feel protected, and safer, but thats all it does. You are not really any better protected. Mr. Middle of the Road

    How simply foolish of a post. Stay unarmed. I've trained all of my life and don't have to wait for a police response time to happen. I'll respond instantly. I am the cop on the scene at my home. Feel free to wait on your tax paid security to arrive when they get one clear. Hope your wives and kids don't mind that wait.

  • NCHighlander Jan 8, 2013

    Mr. Middle of the Road, Feel free to use a slingshot, if you wish. In a home invasion, the more power - the better, as far as I am concerned. Got a bazooka? Mr. Middle of the Road, Feel free to use a slingshot, if you wish. In a home invasion, the more power - the better, as far as I am concerned. Got a bazooka?

    Shocking how many people leave their families unprotected. This story could have ended so much better.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 8, 2013

    Why risk missing? And btw a shotgun would not be gun of choice for big game!
    RM24

    True. It sounded funny to me so I took a little poetic license.

  • WakeCountyRedNeck Jan 8, 2013

    Mr. Middle of the Road,
    Feel free to use a slingshot, if you wish. In a home invasion, the more power - the better, as far as I am concerned. Got a bazooka?

  • 42ITUS Jan 8, 2013

    I believe there is a cure for everything and the only thing those two intruders need is a little therapy....Magnum therapy.

  • RM24 Jan 8, 2013

    A shotgun? At that close range? Either you are a terrible shot or you are expecting an elephant to break in your house.
    Mr. Middle of the Road

    Why risk missing? And btw a shotgun would not be gun of choice for big game!

  • RM24 Jan 8, 2013

    "FACTS and TRUTH see no race or color! You can choose to ignore them! But they are still there!"

    Only in your mind. We are all the same species. Don't blame color when its education and poverty.
    Grand Union

    Most poor folks don't rape and Rob. What does poor and education have to do with rape? Maybe not knowing its against the law? Or think she was gonna pay them for raping her? Give me a break. And my post said the truth can't see color. And that's reguardless of whether you believe it or not!

  • bubbba Jan 8, 2013

    I wonder how many of you would be screamin gun control if the home-owner had one and used it to save himself and hiswife.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 8, 2013

    The best deterrent to home invasions is a shotgun.
    WakeCountyRdNeck

    A shotgun? At that close range? Either you are a terrible shot or you are expecting an elephant to break in your house.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 8, 2013

    "You don't have to make sure they are armed if you are inside your home and so are they." - smcallah


    And if you're inside, and they are trying to get in, you don't have to make sure they are armed. Though I would not advise anyone to actually shoot through the door unless you are very sure it's a criminal trying to get in. Personally, I'd stand with the gun ready and then let go as soon as they breached, like this teenage mother had to do (after being on the phone to 911 for 20 minutes!!!):


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605


    "Guaranteed that in most situations owning a gun will not stop a criminal in any way shape or form" - cubacarolinda


    But actually using the gun on them will stop them in most situations. Thousands have protected themselves and others with their guns.

  • WakeCountyRedNeck Jan 8, 2013

    The best deterrent to home invasions is a shotgun.

  • junkmail5 Jan 8, 2013

    As of 2009, the three states with the lowest ratios of imprisoned people per 100,000 population are Maine (150 per 100,000), Minnesota (189 per 100,000), and New Hampshire (206 per 100,000). The three states with the highest ratio are Louisiana (881 per 100,000), Mississippi (702 per 100,000) and Oklahoma (657 per 100,000)
    beachbum

    Imprisoned for... what?

    an insane # of folks are in jail for non-violent drug charges, but aren't relevant to a violent crime discussion.

  • froggygirl Jan 8, 2013

    OK, so the ethnic background of these crminals has led to a huge number of comments, and certainly there are points to be considered on whatever side you take. Personally, out where I live we bar the doors at night and keep the shotgun loaded because we worry about breakins by white folks. Imagine that.

  • wcgjr79 Jan 8, 2013

    I guess he walked into a gun shop and bought his gun with all the proper permits.

  • smcallah Jan 8, 2013

    " You simply don't break into an establishment with a gun or knife if you aren't willing to use it."

    Actually, with NC's castle law, you shouldn't break into someone's house with them home and not expect to die. If you feel threatened in your home, you can shoot the intruder. That's the law, no matter how one feels about it. You don't have to make sure they are armed if you are inside your home and so are they.

  • smcallah Jan 8, 2013

    "again stop this nonsense! The USA has harsher sentencing than anywhere else in the western world and these two will be lucky if they see the outside world in 20 years. Sentencing is NOT a deterrent"

    Sentencing would be a deterrent if it was applied longer for other crimes that had been committed before this. One of the offenders had just gotten out of jail for an armed robbery. And here he was victimizing more people.

    Per the NC Constitution, rape and robbery are allowed to be punished by death. Perhaps it would be a deterrent to either of those things if that was brought back.

    It's not a deterrent to murder, since you know you're throwing your life away one way or another when you decide to murder. But if you rape someone and the DNA is present, you should go. And no, that's no barbaric. Raping a woman or child is barbaric.

  • smcallah Jan 8, 2013

    I'm so surprised that the police weren't there immediately to stop this rape and stop this man from getting shot. That's why we shouldn't have any guns at home right?

    You promised us the police could handle this for us. What happened?

    (And no, I'm not blaming the police in any way.)

  • beachbum1 Jan 8, 2013

    As of 2009, the three states with the lowest ratios of imprisoned people per 100,000 population are Maine (150 per 100,000), Minnesota (189 per 100,000), and New Hampshire (206 per 100,000). The three states with the highest ratio are Louisiana (881 per 100,000), Mississippi (702 per 100,000) and Oklahoma (657 per 100,000)

  • shannonatlanticvend Jan 8, 2013

    jenjengirl89- I have heard of far less subway crimes than gun crimes in Raleigh/Durham.

  • cubacarolinda Jan 8, 2013

    Relic what are you talking about? the Lane st husband is shot and in the hospital.The 2 that committed this horror night have been doing ALLL THAT for years, like many of the other drug sexgunand gang bros I grew up with a friend whose mother shot her husband coming back to bed with a glass of water. Guaranteed that in most situations owning a gun will not stop a criminal in any way shape or form . More guns are stolen every year than anyone can imagine.
    and trigger locks? yeah right. not too many in use.

  • Lamborghini Mercy Jan 8, 2013

    And this was right down the street from the governor's mansion!

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 8, 2013

    "We dont see nearly as much gun realted voilent crime up north. Just sayin."

    Detroit, Flint and Chicago are wondering if you're actually serious?

  • wolfpack32 Jan 8, 2013

    How is this possibly related to Obama and liberals? I swear some of you folks blame every wrong in your life on them... Take some responsibility for yourself and for your own life. I know of a co-worker's spouse that hates Obama and talks as much hate as he can. Guess what he is doing? Sitting on his rear end collecting a disability check for over a year when he is perfectly capable of working. Yes, jobs are out there - too many people think they are "above" the ones that are available though. A little hard work never hurt anyone. Quit complaining - I'm sick of hearing it!

  • jenjengirl89 Jan 8, 2013

    "We dont see nearly as much gun realted voilent crime up north. Just sayin."

    Yeah, you don't need guns when you can just push 'em in front of subway trains.

  • #7 Jan 8, 2013

    SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM... train and prepare everyday because it may be your home they break into the next time...

  • Pretzel Logic Jan 8, 2013

    RE : "Sentencing is NOT a deterrent" - Grand Union

    It would be (for some though not all) if it were actually carried out.

    Granted there is a certain element that will commit violent crime against people regardless,,, Then there are those that would probably think twice, Not these guys though, Its not they guys were buying there time till they started their new job on Monday, its one crime after another for them because they have no other options, no schooling, no skills, no job, no future,,, so we put them in prison for a couple of years?? and then what?? let them back out and what other options do they have but to commit more crime just to survive, day to day basic needs, Eliminate them, like a rabid raccoon!!!

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 8, 2013

    See(they)acknowledge the threat!....

    Pretzel Logic

    Great post. But you give them too much common sense. They want to take your guns, simply because they dont like them, thats all. And when you like things liberals dont like their only answer is too take it from you. That and its a total power grab since they think they are your better, you being disarmed will enable them to control you easier. All the great dictators libs identify with knew this.

  • Pretzel Logic Jan 8, 2013

    This type of activity flourishes where it is allowed to exist

  • Pretzel Logic Jan 8, 2013

    See(they)acknowledge the threat! However, They call for a total ban/confiscation of all guns? Simply because there are too many guns? Yet they blame us? Because if us gun nuts didn't have guns the criminals could not steal them from us? Then they refer to us as paranoids because we are prepared to defend against the threat that they acknowledge... but doesn't exist??? They also like to claim that the odds of anyone needing a gun to defend against an attack are near zero, So the threat doesn't really exist? The threat is only perceived? Which makes us gun nuts paranoid? So they refer to us as Wannabe Murderers? When we are at home locked, armed, secured we are somewhat protected from this type of criminal element, but there are exceptions, The pantywaist will turn that into something like Headline: Rootin'Tootin'SixShootin'Gun Totin'Yahoo at home lying in wait with an arsenal of weapons murders unsuspecting guest who was cordially invited into a locked home at 3am, Give me a break...

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 8, 2013

    "With the Obama economy draining every American of life and liberty." - MitziGaynor


    Did you just pop into existence starting in 2009?

  • rcrdngcountry Jan 8, 2013

    these two guys should never even see the sky again much less the
    sun. a prison cell four walls untill they die.

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 8, 2013

    "We are reaping what the liberals have sowed."

    Without question.

  • beachbum1 Jan 8, 2013

    Statistics people, all you need to do is have someone not use to bigger city crime just pick up the news paper or watch the news and they can tell you very quickly where the majority of the crime comes from. Not just this city but any large city.

  • Lightfoot3 Jan 8, 2013

    "If this isn't a death penalty case, I don't know what is." - angry guy


    Unfortunately, attempted murder & rape aren't capital offenses, though they should be. If guilty, these two should walk the steps to the gallows, in a large public area.


    "Sentencing is NOT a deterrent" - Grand Union


    It certainly is for some things. The assault charge & possible civil suit keep me from smacking a particularly nasty neighbor of mine. So how can we make punishment more of a deterrent for violent crimes? I realize some will do violence, no matter what, but if we make the punishment SEVERE enough, and SWIFT enough, it will give common criminals a pause. The "cruel & unusual" clause currently prevents it, but maybe it's time to make some constitutional changes.

  • MitziGaynor Jan 8, 2013

    With movies like Django Unchained and suddenly appearing on comments and blogs are people wanting to copycat this?

    With the Obama economy draining every American of life and liberty. Here is our new hope or should I say desperation and lack of civility being taught in homes. Seems EVERYONE is feeling entitled to take whatever they want by any means because they feel they are victims and deserve it.

    Why would you want to drag your 16 year old brother down like that?

  • Dan Cooper Jan 8, 2013

    "We are reaping what the liberals have sowed."

    Sums it up and reading the typical foolish lib statements on here is only further proof.

    There are 1000's of dogs up for adoption in NC and most any of them would've given their life to warn and/or protect this couple.

  • veyor Jan 8, 2013

    Grand Union - in the fifties we didn't have a lock on the doors. We went on vacation for a week and didn't even think about having the house locked. You never heard of anyone getting murdered. That was Wake County then. So yes, times have tremendously changed.

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 8, 2013

    Grand union, take of the rose colored glasses, they are affecting your vision of reality.

    It is not the glasses it is the false sense of superiority. As well all know europe is perfect LOL.

  • mjlt3 Jan 8, 2013

    "wow" what is this world coming to? Does it matter what color these fools were? (black,white,hispanic etc..) A crime is a crime!!!! And this was awful, lock them up and throw away the key - these no good for nothing (never need to see freedom for a long time).

  • OleNCNative Jan 8, 2013

    Ah, so all the news stations are engaged in a massive conspiracy to cover up crimes committed by white people. Makes perfect sense! OleNCNative

    NBC doctored Zimmermans 911 call for the sole puropose of making it racial.
    Crumps Br0ther

    Zimmerman is not white. I don't care what anybody says. (Side note: did you see his last court appearance? I think he's been tanning to darken up his appearance...)hahahahaha!

  • wrx44 Jan 8, 2013

    Funny (or sad) how the News and Observer is totally ignoring this story.

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