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jjsmith1973 Jan 4, 4:09 p.m.
@kermit60 b/c there isn't all these people geting killed every day by drunk drivers. That is what you think and people think but numbers and truths is that it doesn't happen.
kermit60 Jan 4, 2:52 p.m.
With all the people being killed every day by drunk drivers maybe Obama should push for an alcohol ban or car ban. And remember every stolen car was once owned by a legal owner.
bubbba Jan 4, 10:47 a.m.
Idaho Republican Sen. Michael Crepo pleaded guilty Friday to a misdemeanor first-offense drunken driving charge in a Virginia court. - Guess he should be on a chain-gang too?
johnny2times Jan 3, 5:48 p.m.
your all a bunch of complainers on here...A man lost his LIFE to a drunk driver and that driver needs to be punished.
ambenedict Jan 3, 5:45 p.m.
I knew Aaron personally, he was my neighbor. We all know each other here and get together regularly. He was an upbeat, positive kid and a joy to be around. We will all miss him and miss seeing/ hearing (he liked his music loud) his car come down the road. I'm praying for peace and comfort for his family.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 5:28 p.m.
Ok, I'm done arguing. Here is the case. We don't know the mans BAC level, since he was unharmed in the crash they usually will report the reading in the news. Second DWI laws are strict enough Third) most of you are arguing the wrong thing they need to list DWI as a higher activated factor in death by motor vehicle charge so he can receive more jail time if guilty. No one should drink and drive but as long as there are bars, a drug the impairs judgment there are going to be cases like this. Although, a system that requires you to biologically guess if your over a number to determine weather you are legal are not legal to do something with a substance that has increase tolerance levels isn't away to make an effective law. It can be made better and improved but people have to let go of the emotional law making
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 5:20 p.m.
@Nancy judge Ruth signed the documents that every Judge does in an over taxed court system because of DWI laws that don't work. Also not one was a repeat offender if they had been it would have been all over the news. Yet you try to make the point that almost all would be in previous statements which are wrong and even further prove that
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 5:15 p.m.
@ Nancy you do know how they compile and create the number for alcohol related crashes right or do you think that is an actual true representation of actual accidents? There are plenty of papers that cover how the statistics is created. It uses estimates of population growth, historical projection, a multiplier for amount they think weren't properly reported, and include any accident that alcohol was involved even if under the limit. Also if let say you are driving a friend that has drank home get in an accident. That is a reported alcohol related accident reported that would be used for those statistics.
whyalltheproblems Jan 3, 5:14 p.m.
my heart goes out to his family. so so sad.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 5:09 p.m.
@Nancy you gave the same info before.. your gun vs. DWI argument is done. I can't argue with misinformed people
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 5:08 p.m.
@morigan you know how much the alleged driver had to drink in this story?
Nancy Jan 3, 5:07 p.m.
"Judge Christine Ruth let 53 drunks back on the road and got a reprimand. Seems to me she should be in jail too."
Terkel Jan 3, 4:58 p.m.
"One beer...death sentence...Even though you were driving legally." jj
Either you're legal or not. Why suggest anyone wants capital punishment for non-criminals?
FourAutumn Jan 3, 4:55 p.m.
"For purposes of addressing drunk driving and it's impact vs guns and their impact (as it will surely become a point of this discussion)"
It will if you have anything to say about it. The story was posted at 555 this morning and, until your comments at 2, nothing was mentioned about guns at all.
How sad it is that you use a tragic accident related to DUI to try to make a point about guns. So silly and sad.
bubbba Jan 3, 4:53 p.m.
In the CDC study released Thursday, about 4 percent of U.S. adults said they nodded off or fell asleep at least once while driving in the previous month. Some earlier studies reached a similar conclusion, but the CDC telephone survey of 147,000 adults was far larger. It was conducted in 19 states and the District of Columbia in 2009 and 2010.
Nancy Jan 3, 4:48 p.m.
In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
Of the 1,210 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2010, 211 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
Of the 211 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2010, over half (131) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
In 2010, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 112 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5
bubbba Jan 3, 4:48 p.m.
Now children, don't drink and drive." We need punishment, harsh, copious, and very public. Cutie-pie texters and big bad hard-drinking tough guys all working side by side in orange jumpsuits. What a heartwarming sight.
Judge Christine Ruth let 53 drunks back on the road and got a reprimand. Seems to me she should be in jail too.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:48 p.m.
31,513 gun related deaths in 2010 by your number provided in an earlier post from the NHTSA that is over three times more than "alcohol related" deaths. http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
Terkel Jan 3, 4:43 p.m.
tarheel, teaching 'personal responsibility' has not worked. I'm done up to here with calls for "accountability" but no steps or plan in place, much less laws. We don't need "programs", or more free money, or the govt hack in the front of the classroom to say, "Now children, don't drink and drive." We need punishment, harsh, copious, and very public. Cutie-pie texters and big bad hard-drinking tough guys all working side by side in orange jumpsuits. What a heartwarming sight.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:42 p.m.
@Nancy and spare me the number of homicide deaths with a gun and leave out the total number of deaths that are "gun related". So give the total number of all gun related deaths and the total number of "alcohol related" deaths and the gun deaths out weigh alcohol hugely
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:34 p.m.
@Nancy no DWI doesn't kill more than guns a year. How many straight out facts are you going to get wrong. Even using the skewed data from MADE DWI death rate isn't even close to gun deaths. Another bit of misinformation
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:31 p.m.
@ nancy one Minnesota was the highest percentage out of all 50 states. I already posted the link and don't pick just facts that agree with me. Two it still proves a majority don't repeat and yes since I have read the report yes lease list all the states
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:28 p.m.
Charm you are a member of MADD aren't you? You make no sense. You agreed just a second ago with NACY that said speed was ok as long as not stuck because a sober person is safe going 10mph over the limit. When I argued the fact speeding and distracted driving is not treated the same even with the same end result death, more so then DWI
carlatownsend Jan 3, 4:26 p.m.
Aaron and my son were childhood friends even attending college together. Aaron was a guest in my home on many occasions. We loved him dearly and will miss him. He was a sweet young man.
As for the drunk driver who hit him, I am sure he will pay a hefty price for his crime (as will his family) which cannot be levied by a court. He will have to live with what he has done. My condolesences to all involved - many lives were changed in an instant by one young man's poor choices.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:24 p.m.
Praying that one day people will get serious about DWI (drinking alcohol, etc.)and do something about themselves. First of all they need to listen to the person that cares for them. Its for your own good. With a clear head, you can see that. But a cloudy head, you cannot.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:23 p.m.
@charm the resin you will see more reported is because the news can't report on all the others. Fact remains DWI accidents contribute to less than 1/4. You see DWI reported because it is emotional and you read it. There are more types of other accidents in vehicles that cause death everyday than DWI
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:21 p.m.
Do your family member or friends you are close to drink heavily? Do you make excuses for them and cover up? Do you even drink with them? This is a brand new year......time to clean up and get some help, don't you think. Don't wait until its too late. Then you will be absolutely sorry about it.
heelbilly Jan 3, 4:21 p.m.
One stupid decision will effect two families for the rest of thier lives ..
Nancy Jan 3, 4:19 p.m.
Let's not confuse the dui issue with other dangerous driving habits (cell phone talking/texting) which I agree are completely and without disagreement wrong and should be financially punished severely. If they kill someone while distracted, they should receive no less a punishment than a drunk driver!
But dui kills more people than guns annually and the laws are not effective enough to make people stop doing it.
Nancy Jan 3, 4:15 p.m.
jj - here you go:
"Each year in Minnesota, 40 percent of the alcohol-related traffic deaths involve repeat offenders."
Washington State over 20% recividism rate
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A new study of crime statistics found that 21 percent of people arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence were arrested again for the same crime within a five-year span.
I could go on, state by state.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:14 p.m.
Was going thru divorce and both parents had died within a year
Still that was no good reason to drink. I hope you are not drinking to today. It do not solve problems. But it can build problems. Do you want that on your shoulders constantly? Get help with that drinking.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:12 p.m.
Problem was none of them were drunk
Did I intentionally miss something here. You make absolutely no sense at all.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:12 p.m.
SO MANY EXCUSES AND NEVER ANY SOLUTIONS. WOW! WHAT A WAY TO START 2013!
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:11 p.m.
I have not yet seen a post that called for the death penalty for driving after drinking one beer.
And............YOU NEVER WILL.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:10 p.m.
People like to make it seem like the solution is simple...jail time.
Maybe while behind bars they will learn something. Plus they will be sober when they are release. Pray for these people who continue to drink and drive. Stop making excuses for them. Its not helping at all. And please don't cover for them. That is wrong too.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 4:07 p.m.
Your analogy isn't the greatest.
I do agree with Nancy. Most here continue to make excuses. Stay tune for the rest of the month and year to see how many more DWI's we will see. I just don't want to be in contact with any one of them. So continue on with your excuses. Who exactly are you helping any way?
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 4:05 p.m.
What are the parent teaching there kids today. You mean the same parents that grew up with muscle cars, a drinking age of 18, no required seat belt use and a legal B.A.C of .15 back then? Those parents. I guess you mean the perfection which is you. I don't think Drunk Drive should be allowed although it has been blown up to be a bunch of misinformation. Along with the idea that more punishment prevents you from dying tomorrow from this. It does not. No one though wants to admit Taxi service in a lot of areas where bars are don't exist because zoning allows them to be put anywhere. Parking spacing aren't limited. Yes, the Bartender should be held responsible, when they serve people that are falling over themselves. There should be fines, license to sell pulled if to many problems. Oh wait the state runs the ABC so you know that won't happen. Surpirse they don't care about prevention, they care about money.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 3:59 p.m.
@charmcclainlovesdog Oh yes so the officer charged him. My mistake. Although maybe you should look at the study where they showed officers 41 videos of people so they could point of the ones that were drunk. They had several they pointed out. Problem was none of them were drunk
workingforthosethatwont Jan 3, 3:58 p.m.
we need car control!
bubbba Jan 3, 3:57 p.m.
My brother was killed by a distracted driver. Drunk or texting, what's the difference. Maybe the auto industry could make a car that actually could withstand a 60 mile an hour impact. Oh and yes I have a DWI. Blew a point .0000. Was going thru divorce and both parents had died within a year.
My doctor prescribed me Paxil. I was taking the lowest dose but Judge Christine Ruth decided I was guilty, while she was under investigation by the FBI for changing court documents. Just maybe she wanted to look like she actually convicted some people. I lost my job after that. Severe depression. The reason I got stopped was I was talking on my cell phone and bumped the car in front of me. Was I impaired, maybe, but I know 20 million other folks taking antidepressants and driving everday. Life happens. So sorry for the families involved.
rushbot Jan 3, 3:57 p.m.
charmster..my comments to jj were a response to his belief that "One beer at the game and a traffic accident and people will be wanting to put you to the death penalty. Even though you were driving legally." I have not yet seen a post that called for the death penalty for driving after drinking one beer.
keifer21012 Jan 3, 3:57 p.m.
My prayers go out to the family. As a fellow WCA alum, and a father of a recent WCA alum, we are all very heartbroken. May God be with the family and give them comfort.
coneave1 Jan 3, 3:55 p.m.
People like to make it seem like the solution is simple...jail time.
You are being emotional and not thinking about the big picture. If we put anyone who got a DWI in jail for one year, 2nd time offenders for 5 years, and 3rd time offender for life...using the figures in this thread; there are 45,000 DWI per year, with ~1/3 being repeat offenders. It cost ~55k/year to inprison someone(not from this thread). Doing the math
Year 1 45,000 DWIs x $55,000 = 2.5 billion dollars for one year to inprison (that rough $250/per person, based on 10 million north carolinians)
With repeat an new offenders after only a couple of years the cost would skyrocket to the point where NC citizens need to turn over 25% of their paycheck to just to pay for DWI jailing, which would cover 99% of what your taxes pay for now, so add that 25% to what you are already paying.
You ideas are too simple for a complicated problem.
kikinc Jan 3, 3:49 p.m.
Nancy-Someone who is stone cold sober can get into an accident if they're not paying attention. Your analogy isn't the greatest.
BitCoin Trader Jan 3, 3:49 p.m.
This young man should not have been drinking. May others who are doing the same thing, get some help and stop. My condolences to the family and friends.
He's 22, he can drink all he wants. He just cant drive afterwards. You are always trying to ban something or tell someone how to do something. Typical lib.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 3:47 p.m.
Here is more info, about other traffic problems no one screams about on this site but this one. Yet, more laws for drunk drivers and forget the rest of the accidents that kill people on the roads because everyone does it? That seems to be the case with most http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/texting-is-more-dangerous-than-driving-drunk/
rushbot Jan 3, 3:45 p.m.
jj..half of 50,000 a year in NC is 25,000. That is a problem, by your own admission, the sentence handed out to 25,000 North Carolinians who are arrested for dui is ineffectual. I too believe a serious and meaningful consequence can change behavior and removing those repeat offenders and requiring hard labor as punishment is appropriate.
jjsmith1973 Jan 3, 3:43 p.m.
@Rushbot It doesn't say the mans impaired level, so you don't know.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 3:38 p.m.
Mayfield had "glassy bloodshot eyes" and a strong odor of alcohol on his breath.
SEE THE ABOVE. ENOUGH SAID. STOP COVERING UP FOR DWI WITH ALL KINDS OF EXCUSES.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 3:35 p.m.
charged with driving while impaired,no one here has said one beer and to the chain gang you go..
The truth always hurt. The officers charged him with BEING IMPAIRED A DUI. GET IT NOW?
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2013-09-05 17:25:12