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  • Terkel Jan 4, 12:55 p.m.

    "....I simply want the Gov to fund a universal healthcare system" GU

    Govt doesn't fund anything. Taxpayers do.

  • Terkel Jan 4, 12:48 p.m.

    "...as it takes advantage of people with bad decision making skills and little will power." GravyPig

    Agree with your post. I know this isn't what you're saying, but I'll add that just because some people will be taken advantage of does not equate to "govt interference is necessary". Otherwise used car salesmen, realtors, and those who whine for "he'p buying diapers" would all be out of work.

    Hmmm....let me ponder this a little further, I may have seen a flaw in my original opinion.

  • Terkel Jan 4, 12:36 p.m.

    "Maybe instead of whining about there not being enough grocery stores in SE Raleigh... these "business" owners can open some grocery stores instead."

    The business owners weren't whining about grocery stores in SE Raleigh. The entitlement crowd was. Which dog is yours?

  • rocket Jan 4, 10:57 a.m.

    "The take in amount verses pay out is a rip off to those playing. The math shows long term, you'll lose."

    That's how gambling works. In the long run the house always wins. However, nobody is forced to play. There are already laws against fraud. If we enforce those I don't see a need for additional regulation. Not that it matters now.

  • Rebelyell55 Jan 4, 9:25 a.m.

    @wildpig777............Your most likely right about overall losing. That's why if they were going to keep em, they needed regulating. Since they're not going to do that, they need to shut them down. The take in amount verses pay out is a rip off to those playing. The math shows long term, you'll lose.

  • wildpig777 Jan 4, 8:15 a.m.

    North Carolina Cutie: I took my lunch hour to play and turned $40 into $150 in less than 30 minutes.

    Now let's see how many of those against it go and try it out ...lol== LOVE

    now tell us the rest of the story-- how much have you lost over the yrs-- i guarantee you have lost far more than you have ever won.

  • wildpig777 Jan 4, 8:14 a.m.

    NOW IF WE CAN JUST GET RID OF THE lottery..... and ABOLISH THE LOCAL ABC BOARD SYSTEM, nc has zero bizness in the selling of alcohol it should be privatized. like bc/bs for all state employees --it is one of those SACRED CASH COWS.

  • Lovemy2kids Jan 3, 4:46 p.m.

    North Carolina Cutie: I took my lunch hour to play and turned $40 into $150 in less than 30 minutes.

    Now let's see how many of those against it go and try it out ...lol

  • rocket Jan 3, 4:21 p.m.

    Grand Union, have you ever seen a new law or tax that you didn't like?

  • 68_dodge_polara Jan 3, 4:07 p.m.

    "I stand by my statement. Libs hate it when your spend your own money as you see fit. why do you think they are always trying to redistribute it."

    That's because Libs don't see it as your money but instead as money the guverment has allowed you to keep.

    "You didn't build that."

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 4:06 p.m.

    "How is it that the State of North Carolina give taxpayers money to the Indians to continue, to expand their casinos, and collect taxes from the Bingo parlors--But then when you have a business that is putting Millions of dollars into the treasury you shut the industry down. Is it that the officials of the state won't get as large a cut out of the money as they do from the reservation casinos?" - bobtine

    Follow the money. Who were the biggest Lobbyists demanding the Sweepstake parlors be shut down? Why it was the Indian reservations, Bingo hall people, and the firm/retailers that runs the lottery. These other businesses wanted to be sure that the competing business of video Sweepstakes was totally taken out.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 3:57 p.m.

    IF THEY SHUT DOWN THE SWEEPSTAKES, THEN THEY SHOULD BY ALL MEANS SHUT DOWN THE LOTTERY. ITS PRACTICALLY THE SAME THING. RIGHT?

  • bobtine6 Jan 3, 3:44 p.m.

    How is it that the State of North Carolina give taxpayers money to the Indians to continue, to expand their casinos, and collect taxes from the Bingo parlors--But then when you have a business that is putting Millions of dollars into the treasury you shut the industry down. Is it that the officials of the state won't get as large a cut out of the money as they do from the reservation casinos?

  • Crumps Br0ther Jan 3, 3:30 p.m.

    LOl from the right which wants to tell us who is allowed to be married and stick their nose into the doctors office and their religion into our lives..... Freedom and civilisation isn't free....taxes are just the cost. Grow up.
    Grand Union

    I stand by my statement. Libs hate it when your spend your own money as you see fit. why do you think they are always trying to redistribute it.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 3:23 p.m.

    "Good question....but there has to be a way. I would rather see these become illegal than to let someone gamble free money and win off the work of others."

    well the main winners are the State and the Owners of the machines....the odds of actually winning big are way less than the odds of being dead the next day. Gambling really is for the mathematically challenged.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 2:55 p.m.

    "Good question....but there has to be a way. I would rather see these become illegal than to let someone gamble free money and win off the work of others." - ncouterbanks69

    Where do you get information that people in Sweepstake parlors are using state-paid benefit money to gamble?

    Multiple studies have shown the demographic of most people playing video sweepstakes to be retired, or older & employed. These are people who would normally play Bingo (still legal in our state) but are selecting sweepstakes as an alternative. I guess now that most of these people will simply revert back to playing Bingo.

  • North Carolina Cutie Jan 3, 2:10 p.m.

    You forgot the 3 rich guys that won the lottery up state.

  • North Carolina Cutie Jan 3, 2:07 p.m.

    Lovemy2kids I'm with you, I a person retired form the Air Force with a nice pension and do mean nice and go play the sweetstakes games daily. The ones complaining I am sure have tried their luck at it. You have those that just look at the negative side. Every dog will have his or her day.

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 3, 2:05 p.m.

    and just how would you do that?

    Good question....but there has to be a way. I would rather see these become illegal than to let someone gamble free money and win off the work of others.

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 3, 2:03 p.m.

    Oh great. Becasue someone wants to spend THEIR money (from teh gov or not) you want to punish me.

    Few things to me are more enjoyable than hitting a blackjack table in Vegas for the better part of a day. I have yet to visit a "sweepstakes" here in NC but I have been thinking about it. I enjoy gambling and do not see how it could be anything but a good things (more revenue for NC) but gambling with free money is unacceptable. If you have money to blow that you earned you should have a right to do so. Blowing free money is far from acceptable.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 1:58 p.m.

    'All of you who are making judgements about the people who go in these places need to clean out your closets. It appears that you think you are perfect but honey reality will catch up with you and hopefully it is sooner than later!!"

    Who claimed to be perfect? Not throwing your money away does not require perfection.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 1:56 p.m.

    "I agree but we should make sure that anyone who gambles does so with their own EARNED (what a concept) money and not free money."

    and just how would you do that?

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 1:55 p.m.

    "The problem is most people in these places are gambling with money that they got for free. So basically it is another tax on the working man."

    Really? you have a source to back up that claim? No I didn't think you had.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 1:54 p.m.

    "Certainly, the lottery is gambling. Are sweepstakes? I don't know. But in any event, you make an assumption that both games appeal to the same people. I doubt it."

    so far we have "I don't know" and "I doubt it"....and of course a sweepstake is gambling.

    There are many people who play lottery who would never go to Vegas or Atlantic City.

    Irrelevant, we do not live in Nevada and high stake gamblers are not interested in either the Lottery or Sweepstakes.....they can do the math.

    " The reverse is also true. Same as there are folks who prefer seeing movies in theaters and there are folks who order to watch movies in the comfort of their own home. There are folks who prefer to get the news from a TV; others prefer Internet."

    Yes perhaps there are a few who would not spend the money they spend on sweepstakes on the Lottery but given that the lottery is so universally available it seems doubtful anyone dumb enough to do the sweepstakes is just going to say I'll buy food for the kids

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 1:43 p.m.

    "Interesting that the lottery tax money is spent on education with the hope of eradicating stupidity."

    Thats another common misconception. Education doesn't get anything more in the long run as very quickly the money it gets from the Lottery is taken into account when they budget the money for education. The education story was/is just a sales gimmick for the gullible.

  • Minarchist Jan 3, 1:41 p.m.

    "All gambling joints should be closed down in NC period. I know of cases where people who draw disability checks use them gambling and some people cash out their food stamps and use them."

    Oh great. Becasue someone wants to spend THEIR money (from teh gov or not) you want to punish me. Thanks! I dont like fat people or people that smell. I dont try to ban them or bathe them, I mind my business and ignore them. Get it?

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 3, 1:38 p.m.

    So what? Once the government gives people money, it's their money to spend however they want. Gambling isn't what needs to be changed, welfare is.

    I agree but we should make sure that anyone who gambles does so with their own EARNED (what a concept) money and not free money.

  • ncouterbanks69 Jan 3, 1:38 p.m.

    "Thats why I opposed the Lottery, its really just a stupidity tax." - Grand Union

    If they have to tax something.... I'm not opposed to a tax on stupidity.

    The problem is most people in these places are gambling with money that they got for free. So basically it is another tax on the working man.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 1:35 p.m.

    "What's the differnce between this, the lottery and the stock market?"

    'Who gets your money.' - GravyPig

    LOL

  • Lovemy2kids Jan 3, 1:35 p.m.

    There are alot of people who go to the Sweepstakes who WORK and CAN afford it. I have met alot of very nice people there and will miss the friendships if they end up closing.

    All of you who are making judgements about the people who go in these places need to clean out your closets. It appears that you think you are perfect but honey reality will catch up with you and hopefully it is sooner than later!!

  • GravyPig Jan 3, 1:21 p.m.

    "What's the differnce between this, the lottery and the stock market?"

    Who gets your money.

  • Insane in the left lane Jan 3, 1:03 p.m.

    What's the differnce between this, the lottery and the stock market?

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 12:59 p.m.

    Here is information on the lottery money distribution from an earlier WRAL article.

    'Lawmakers continue to tinker with the lottery formula. When it first passed, 50 percent of sales went to prizes, 35 percent to education, 8 percent for administrative costs and 7 percent for retailer compensation.

    Earlier this year, the formula changed. Now, 60 percent goes to prizes, 29 percent goes to education and 4 percent goes to administration. Retailer compensation has stayed the same.'

    The state of North Carolina only takes in 29% of lottery money as a tax. I expect the tax percentage is greater on sweepstake machines.

    The article below also has interesting stats on the amount NC lottery tax revenue vs. the state school funding and total state budget by year.

    NC lottery money an education lifeline, not a jackpot -
    http://www.wral.com/news/local/wral_investigates/story/11319416/

  • bob1974 Jan 3, 12:52 p.m.

    "All gambling joints should be closed down in NC period. I know of cases where people who draw disability checks use them gambling and some people cash out their food stamps and use them."

    So what? Once the government gives people money, it's their money to spend however they want. Gambling isn't what needs to be changed, welfare is.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 12:51 p.m.

    "I simply want the Gov to fund a universal healthcare system, I said nothing about banning private healthcare. Both exist side by side in almost every western country." - Grand Union

    Not to mention that having a universal healthcare system ('single payer plan') reduces the medical insurance costs for businesses making them more competitive. Having a government plan for healthcare in a western country is a competitive advantage.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 12:48 p.m.

    "Thats why I opposed the Lottery, its really just a stupidity tax." - Grand Union

    If they have to tax something.... I'm not opposed to a tax on stupidity.

    Interesting that the lottery tax money is spent on education with the hope of eradicating stupidity.

  • Learning+Growing Jan 3, 12:46 p.m.

    Grand Union - to see that you oversimplify is a gross understatement.

    Certainly, the lottery is gambling. Are sweepstakes? I don't know. But in any event, you make an assumption that both games appeal to the same people. I doubt it.

    There are many people who play lottery who would never go to Vegas or Atlantic City. The reverse is also true. Same as there are folks who prefer seeing movies in theaters and there are folks who order to watch movies in the comfort of their own home. There are folks who prefer to get the news from a TV; others prefer Internet.

    So your reasoning re taxes is a stretch.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 12:45 p.m.

    'Enough is Enough People' makes good points; these sweepstake machines are already heavily taxed at both the state and local level. They bring in much more tax revenue to the state on a percentage perspective to total revenue earned than the N.C. Lottery.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 12:44 p.m.

    "In 2012 alone I paid over 450K in taxes just for my machines. That does not include any addition tax revenue from my profits. Honestly, the taxes that are charged to these types of businesses is simply insane, but thats the price you pay for doing business. "

    So what % is that of your revenue? Thats what really matters in this equation. If its lower than what the State makes on the Lottery than they lose money on the deal and why should they do that? Gambling is something that for historical reasons gets heavily regulated so anything you make is at the States discretion.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 12:40 p.m.

    "All gambling joints should be closed down in NC period. I know of cases where people who draw disability checks use them gambling and some people cash out their food stamps and use them. These places give people false sense of hope that they can get rich quick and they need to learn wealth is linked only to hard work. And of course inheritance if your parents or grandparents worked hard."

    Thats why I opposed the Lottery, its really just a stupidity tax.
    However banning gambling simple drives it underground or out of state. probably better to regulate it and tax it.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 12:36 p.m.

    "You are hilarious. You don't want the "right" to "stick their nose into the doctors office" but you want the government running healthcare...no, I don't expect you to see the irony there genius"

    No irony there....You want the gov putting its nose into every doctors office no matter who runs it, private or Public....I simply want the Gov to fund a universal healthcare system, I said nothing about banning private healthcare. Both exist side by side in almost every western country. The rich can chose which they want to use (food and rooms are nicer in the private ones) just like here but the rest of the public don't have the nightmare issue of payment for a high standard of care.

  • Enough is Enough People Jan 3, 12:34 p.m.

    I am not really sure where some of you are coming with this tax angle. I am sure for some of you, you are just misinformed or have drawn your own conclusions. I own several businesses, three of which are Sweepstakes establishments. These businesses are a HUGE cash cow for local governments. So much so I thought they would not do away with these establishments for this vary reason. Each city is different, and in cities it is honestly a crime how much they charge per machine. In 2012 alone I paid over 450K in taxes just for my machines. That does not include any addition tax revenue from my profits. Honestly, the taxes that are charged to these types of businesses is simply insane, but thats the price you pay for doing business.

    My establishments are still open and running and I will keep them open for as long as I can because I have over 40 employees who have to provide for their families. At this point I have no plans at closing anything.

  • NomoreKoolaid Jan 3, 12:30 p.m.

    The proverbial writing is on the wall for this line of work if you can read.

  • Disabled Veteran Jan 3, 12:30 p.m.

    I'm glad I won the money I did from the slots before this happened. I didn't play often but eventually the machines might've gotten their money back from me.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 12:26 p.m.

    "because it competes with the Lottery and reduces income from the lottery which requires you to pay higher taxes......simple really. ------------- NO it doesn't. Not one bit."

    Yes it does. Try to keep up. The Lottery and these machines are both forms of gambling....the State makes much more from the lottery than it would in taxing the profits of these machines so given that there is not an unlimited market for gambling the increase of one reduces the other. Now if the Gov. makes less from the lottery it has to make up that revenue from elsewhere and that means a increase in another tax......so yes allowing competing forms of gambling will raise your taxes.
    The good thing about the Lottery is that its a voluntary tax....one I only very rarely pay :)

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 12:20 p.m.

    "With the state budget, schools, immigration, mental health and many others in a state of confusion why was this such a priority that it took time from real issues?"

    because it cost revenues needed to fix the above.....

  • PowderedToastMan Jan 3, 11:54 a.m.

    "Why are we spending our tax dollars fighting this when the state as its own lottery? Also it provides some jobs. I dont get it."

    because it competes with the Lottery and reduces income from the lottery which requires you to pay higher taxes......simple really.
    -------------
    NO it doesn't. Not one bit.

  • anderson Jan 3, 11:50 a.m.

    LOl from the right which wants to tell us who is allowed to be married and stick their nose into the doctors office and their religion into our lives..... Freedom and civilisation isn't free....taxes are just the cost. Grow up.
    Grand Union

    You are hilarious. You don't want the "right" to "stick their nose into the doctors office" but you want the government running healthcare...no, I don't expect you to see the irony there genius

  • dontstopnow Jan 3, 11:41 a.m.

    All gambling joints should be closed down in NC period. I know of cases where people who draw disability checks use them gambling and some people cash out their food stamps and use them. These places give people false sense of hope that they can get rich quick and they need to learn wealth is linked only to hard work. And of course inheritance if your parents or grandparents worked hard.

  • westernwake1 Jan 3, 11:38 a.m.

    "Well what has the GOP done in two years to remove it? nothing" - Grand Union

    Nor will they. The Lottery has significant public support and raises a good chunk of revenue. Removing it at this point is political suicide for Republicans. Nobody wants to go back to the days where N.C. residents drove their money regularly to VA and SC to get their lottery fix.

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