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  • Karmageddon Jan 4, 1:51 p.m.

    Isn't it funny that John Kerry has more money than Romney but the media ignores that fact

  • josephlawrence43 Jan 4, 10:15 a.m.

    How about the folks that keep sending the same rich folks to the senate and the congress?

    chfdcpt
    Hate to tell you, but they are all rich--National Socialists, Repubs,etc. There ain't no poor people in Congress..

  • chfdcpt Jan 3, 6:53 p.m.

    Neither the Demoplicans nor the Repucrats area at fault for this mess.

    Want to blame someone? How about the folks that decided not to vote?

    How about the folks that keep sending the same rich folks to the senate and the congress?

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 5:55 p.m.

    Never raise the debt ceiling. Force across the board cuts.
    aspenstreet1717

    You don't appear to understand what the debt ceiling actually is.

    You probably should learn that before trying to discuss it any further, because you're making absolutely no sense so far.

    we ought to all be able to claim CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE when the tax man comes looking us for tax evasion.
    sunshineonmyshoulder

    Have fun in jail!

    Remember- Al Capone murdered tons of people- The government did nothing to him.

    Al Capone avoided paying taxes. He spent the rest of his life in prison.

  • aspenstreet1717 Jan 3, 5:25 p.m.

    Never raise the debt ceiling. Force across the board cuts.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 5:23 p.m.

    Paychecks will be less in January than December.-aspenstreet1717

    We should have had across the board cuts-aspenstreet171

    So your plan to fix our massive deficit problem is to collect LESS money?

    What a terrible plan.

  • sunshineonmyshoulder Jan 3, 5:23 p.m.

    Actually, I'm thinking the same way UNBLANKENBELIEVABLE is. I'm changing my withholding allowances this year to have the least amount possible to taken from my payroll check. If I could claim EXEMPT status, I would. This current crop of politicians in Washington are the worst I've seen in...well...forever. They obviously have no clue how precious that taxmoney is to my family. I've had enough! I'll be choosing how to spend as much of my money as possible this year. And...we ought to all be able to claim CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE when the tax man comes looking us for tax evasion.

  • Screw WrAl Jan 3, 5:16 p.m.

    Fiscal cliff TWO,

    in 58 days.

  • aspenstreet1717 Jan 3, 5:13 p.m.

    People that actually work are not interested in tax rates when ever. Smaller paychecks equals less spending. We should have had across the board cuts. Instead we had more dollars from the efficient to the inefficient.

  • mrduffin Jan 3, 5:06 p.m.

    Obama is the problem. If he was not president this would have have happened so it is ALL HIS FAULT.

  • aspenstreet1717 Jan 3, 4:57 p.m.

    Paychecks will be less in January than December. Spin it anyway you want. People I work with are already cutting back on spending.
    Thanks Washington we won't forget.

  • StateFan99 Jan 3, 4:26 p.m.

    Not that DC has much of anything to do with fuel prices anyway....

    True, yet it sure was funny to hear liberals blaming Bush (among hundreds of other things) for the high prices back when he was in office.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 4:22 p.m.

    Number of lies coming out of Washington: UP Taxes: UP Deficit: UP Spending: UP

    Great way to start the year, Obama.
    RKBA

    Speaking of lies...

    Taxes are actually DOWN.

    They went up, very significantly, at midnight December 31st when the Bush cuts and the SS holiday expired.

    This deal LOWERS them on 98-99% of Americans, by bringing the bush cuts back for those individuals.

    Oh, and the deficit is up in the air. 1.1 trillion for 2012... projected at 901 billion for 2013... but projections are never quite right, especially with so much of the fallout from the remaining cliff stuff in the air.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 4:10 p.m.

    Uh... gas has declined significantly since its last high in September...and is also down (very slightly) from same time last year.

    Not that DC has much of anything to do with fuel prices anyway....

  • RKBA Jan 3, 4:02 p.m.

    Number of lies coming out of Washington: UP
    Taxes: UP
    Deficit: UP
    Spending: UP

    Great way to start the year, Obama.

  • RKBA Jan 3, 3:59 p.m.

    Thank you for nothing Mr Obama and Mr Boehner.... You're both liars.

  • aspenstreet1717 Jan 3, 3:43 p.m.

    Taxes up, gas up, pay checks down. Thanks Washington.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 2:50 p.m.

    "The social security tax should not have been cut in the first place. Granted, there area changes needed in the social security system, but that tax should not have been cut."

    It was the only form of stimulus that could get passed by the Tea Party simpletons so its what we got.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 2:49 p.m.

    "Do yourself a big favor and stop trusting estimates completed by the fed. gov't; and you said before fraud/waste is 5-10% in Medicare/Medicaid- also laughable. It's easily 20%; and could be a high as 25%. "

    I've heard its 1,000,000% and my source is as good as yours.....

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 2:45 p.m.

    "Everyone wants a social security check and medicare coverage, but nobody wants to pay for it."

    Wrong, its only the GOP that doesn't want to pay for it and would rather destroy it than do so. I have no issues with Soc sec. its a useful safety net now that private companies have given up on real pensions. And I already pay way more than most for it.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 2:43 p.m.

    "I can't understand how any of you pick a side any more. No one in Washington is on our side."

    That doesn't mean they are the same. Even if you choose the lessor of two evils than at least you made a choice. Doing nothing simply hands power to the most active minority....thats what happened with the tea Party and look what a mess they have made of things.....

  • beachboater Jan 3, 2:21 p.m.

    The social security tax should not have been cut in the first place. Granted, there area changes needed in the social security system, but that tax should not have been cut.

    Everyone wants a social security check and medicare coverage, but nobody wants to pay for it.

    Remember, this is the ONLY tax that many americans pay. And many still quailify for earned income tax credit which refunds tax dollars to them that were never paid in.

  • aspenstreet1717 Jan 3, 2:18 p.m.

    Taxes up, unemployment up,deficit up,debt up,gas prices way up,thanks Washington for all the 'up'

  • Das G Jan 3, 1:40 p.m.

    I can't understand how any of you pick a side any more. No one in Washington is on our side.

  • StateFan99 Jan 3, 12:58 p.m.

    @jcthai... Why in the world would they implement a tax decrease meant to help spur the economy over the course of a few years? Try making sense.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 12:40 p.m.

    Do yourself a big favor and stop trusting estimates completed by the fed. gov't- Adventurer007

    Ah... so rather than trust them you want me to trust... random dude on the internet.

    Your argument isn't getting any less crazy dude.

    In fact you're headed the wrong direction.

    But lets pretend your totally made up 20% number is "right"

    It's still nowhere CLOSE to the "hundred of billions" you claimed it was originally.

    So apparently even YOU don't agree with you...

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 12:33 p.m.

    Why are we stuck on the idea of raising this and that, you should pay a flat percent on your incoming 50k or 10mill, a certain percent, not a curve- paketstorm

    that is the worst possible tax plan, and horribly regressive. It hurts the poor badly and helps nobody but the rich.

    Even Adam Smith, the guy who wrote the book on capitalism, understood the rich ought be paying more than the poor, even out of direct proportion to income.

  • goldenosprey Jan 3, 12:33 p.m.

    Typical lib "I want, I want, I want"- Crump Br0

    No sense of irony ? The republican/conservative theme is ME! ME! ME! and not a crumb to anyone else. Get The gov out of my thinning gray hair and into that woman's uterus!

  • Adventurer007 Jan 3, 12:33 p.m.

    The ones done by the OMB and CBO.- ha ha ha ha. I knew it. Estimates by the Congressional budget office- what a shock- ha ha ha.

    Do yourself a big favor and stop trusting estimates completed by the fed. gov't; and you said before fraud/waste is 5-10% in Medicare/Medicaid- also laughable. It's easily 20%; and could be a high as 25%. The fed. gov't doesn't want you to know how bad it is; because this would mean that they are not doing their jobs and thus wasting taxpayer's money. Want a real world example, not just an "estimate"? There is a current fed. project involving healthcare that was appropriated $200M (A local private company is involved); which easily could have been done for $125M- that's a waste of $75M in taxpayer dollars or 37.5%. I don't know about you, but $75 million is a lot of money to me. This is not considered fraud, but it certainly is waste. The fed. gov't is so disorganized that they have no idea how much fraud/waste they have; so 5-10% is comical.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 12:31 p.m.

    If 2% really makes or breaks your budget it's probably time to trim back your budget a bit.

    And FYI, the 2% cut was was really intended to put extra spending money in peoples pockets as a STIMULUS.

    But regardless of that, the actual text of the law called it a "TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE PAYROLL TAX CUT"

    and refereed to the period as a "payroll tax holiday period"

    So to pretend the END of that holiday period is a "tax hike" is flatly dishonest argument.

  • jcthai Jan 3, 12:29 p.m.

    StateFan99, jeez, they didn't phase in in over a few years and you didn't complain. Deal with it.

  • paketstorm Jan 3, 12:27 p.m.

    Why are we stuck on the idea of raising this and that, you should pay a flat percent on your incoming 50k or 10mill, a certain percent, not a curve. Equality ? Really, a rich guys or someone that makes alot of money , well there is a reason for it. Dont believe it , lets a have 30 second conversation on any topic of your choice, and it will be crystal Clear, we are not equal!

  • StateFan99 Jan 3, 12:06 p.m.

    Your whining about it is like complaining you have to pay regular price at the grocery store because their sale ended.

    Really? Last I checked bread wasn't on sale for 2 years. This was brought to us to give us some relief, there hasn't been much relief in two years. Food is through the roof, gas, cost of living, pay increases have been next to none, ext. All under a very fragile economy with unemployment hovering just below 8 percent. When we all have been accustomed to these lower taxes for two years, then all of a sudden see an increase when we're not used to it, it IS indeed a tax increase. If you're going to do it, do it gradually, over the course of say a few years. I'm going to feel this, and I'm going to notice it, regardless of if this is only bringing it back to "normal" rates.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 12:02 p.m.

    You're right the Congress is responsible for the budget, that why the republician need to take both house and limit Obama spending.
    Bob3425

    Did you even read what you just wrote?

    "I know the president can't spend money, only congress can... that's why the republicans need to take both houses of congress so they can stop the president from spending money!"

  • zonk Jan 3, 11:59 a.m.

    Did anyone really expect anything else ? If you did that is why you voted the way you did in November and that is why we are headed for another no growth year and higher debt in our country. There was no reaching across any aisle or anything else that is going to help anyone in our country except rampant spending will continue and we will be farther in debt.

  • Bob3425 Jan 3, 11:54 a.m.

    Grand Union--And did you miss that the democrats have held the House and Senate both for two years previous? And did you also miss that Harry hasn't put a budget on the floor in the four years? Obama is not interested in cutting spending, only raising taxes to spend more. You're right the Congress is responsible for the budget, that why the republician need to take both house and limit Obama spending.

  • torchhappysean Jan 3, 11:49 a.m.

    I keep reading all of the lip service spewed by our politicians but still have yet to read any of them say anything about them (our wonderful congressmen and women) taking a pay cut to help decrease the national debt... If I'm going to have to pay more taxes, then they should have to take a cut in pay and benifits!!!

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 11:41 a.m.

    "Why do libs always comment but never answer the direct question. How much less are you bringing home now? Since no answer gotta assume they are on the dole. Freeloaders make me sick. (Not someone who needs a helping hand, but constant freeloading"wheres my check mentality. Takes money from me and my family who can barley pay our current bills anyway)"

    Perhaps you need to learn to read......your question was answered.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 11:37 a.m.

    ".9 trillion when he took over, 16 trillion and counting now."

    Have you tried researching numbers before you post them?.....
    http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

    And its the Congress that spends money in the US not the President....didn't you know that? And did you miss that the GOP have held the House for two years now?

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 11:27 a.m.

    Oh, actually, my bad...

    it's only exactly 2% on those making under $113,000 or so...

    it's more for those making over 400-450k as I said...

    but it's LESS for those making between 113k-400/450k....

    Because of course the SS tax ends around 113k in income, so their increase is actually less than 2%

    And speaking of ways to fix the budget- remove the cap on SS tax.

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 11:24 a.m.

    How much less are you bringing home now? -raleigh rocks1

    I dunno that I'm a 'lib' since part of my suggestions including significant reform to both medicare and SS... but the answer to your question for anyone making under 400-450k a year is...

    2%

    because the TEMPORARY reduction in SS tax expired.

    So the rate went back to the same rate it was for almost your entire adult life.

    that isn't 'taking money away from your family' it's ceasing to give you a little EXTRA like they did, temporarily, for 2 years.

    Your whining about it is like complaining you have to pay regular price at the grocery store because their sale ended.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 3, 11:17 a.m.

    Why do libs always comment but never answer the direct question. How much less are you bringing home now? Since no answer gotta assume they are on the dole. Freeloaders make me sick. (Not someone who needs a helping hand, but constant freeloading"wheres my check mentality. Takes money from me and my family who can barley pay our current bills anyway)

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 11:15 a.m.

    What estimates are you actually referring to?- Adventurer007

    The ones done by the OMB and CBO.

    What's your counter-evidence?

    And I'm being completely honest about the fraud in Medicare. I have seen it first hand.- Adventurer007

    Oh! Anecdotal evidence from your job!

    Well, that certianly outweighs the conclusions of major federal agencies that oversee the entire process!

    My Bad!

    Your personal experience proves there's hundreds of billions in fraud, despite the fact the ENTIRE budget of the program is only hundreds of billions! And despite the major federal budget oversight agency saying you're off by a couple of zeros!

    How silly of me to doubt you!

    And deficits are the largest under Obama - Raleigh Rocks 1

    I'll ignore that you seem to have mixed up debt and deficit, they're not the same... the largest deficit every was 2009. The last fiscal year for which Bush was responsible.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 3, 11:08 a.m.

    Junk mail, yes it would. The conservative agenda is not Reagan and the democrat spend congress he had. Also, to continue your quotes as you left off the next phase......And deficits are the largest under Obama and dems who controlled house and senate at the time...9 trillion when he took over, 16 trillion and counting now.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 3, 11:04 a.m.

    I am planning on paying for my retirement by saving money...daaa. I do realize that I do not want to rely on government (IE other folks money)for my retirement, healthcare or anything else other than security and infrastructure. I wish I had all the cash that the government has stolen from me to go to Social Security. If that would have been in mutual funds, Id could retire now. Why do you want to rely on Government ...IE everyone else Grand Union? And you too can answer the question, how much less are you taking home now..assuming you work for a living. You seem to be relying on the government for your retirement...good luck with that! I respect your opinion until your opinion takes money from me and my family.

    btw-Want to kick the crud and am going to kick the crud are 2 different things.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 10:59 a.m.

    "You must agree 2% less to spend of all the raleigh income will impact some local spending...which will impact local economy and jobs. Sorry Chow, Leesville tap room, Char grill, Ace hardware, walnut creek ampitheater and so on, less money for yall."

    of course it will, that was the whole point in adding it as a stimulus in the first place but that 2% was replaced with borrowed money and added to the deficit. Adding it back just results in us paying for what we are getting....which one would have though was the whole point.....

  • Adventurer007 Jan 3, 10:55 a.m.

    You're claiming hundreds of billions a year, and yet most estimates put fraud at 5-10% of the medicare budget, which would mean it's not even "tens" of billions, let alone hundreds.

    What estimates are you actually referring to? And I'm being completely honest about the fraud in Medicare. I have seen it first hand. I have been involved with dozens of federal contracts and 100's of hospitals/clinics/Provider's. So I would say that I am much more intimately familiar with this than you are. And also- a lot of fraud with certain types of Providers in the US is just now being discovered; because believe it or not they have never been audited before:)

  • junkmail5 Jan 3, 10:52 a.m.

    The conservative agenda would reduce taxes and reduce spending overall.- raleigh Rock 1

    No it wouldn't.

    Deficits were significantly larger under Reagan than Carter... and significantly larger under Bush II than Clinton.

    republicans are TERRIBLE at cutting spending.

    not the the democrats aren't terrible TOO... the only difference is which things they jack up spending on, and how much.

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 10:48 a.m.

    "A little honesty would go a long way in a useful debate"

    If that was required of the right there would be no debate.....

  • Grand Union Jan 3, 10:47 a.m.

    "Is it wrong to want to kick the crud out of anyone who voted for Obama now?"

    yes, if you think otherwise go live somewhere that isn't a western style democracy.....

    " Taking $141 a month from me and my kids and family."

    so how are you p[lanning to pay for your retirement? the new rate just brings the cost back to that required to pay for that....you got a break for a couple of years thats all. The really sad thing is that you don't grasp that the GOP wants to destroy Soc Sec so that you will have to rely on the stock market or the poorhouse when you get old......good luck with that.

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