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  • Nancy Jan 2, 4:33 p.m.

    Until and unless they use a master school building plan and build the same model at each location,we get a raw deal. Further, these schools should be designed with a core building THEN add spoke buildings attached to the core for expansion and reduction as needed, we're paying too much for each school.

  • Taffy Jan 2, 3:47 p.m.

    Take a look at the schools I referenced. All sorts of fancy brick trim & special finishes. I watch 2 of the 3 schools being built as I lived right behind them. They may be award winning designs, but that's NOT what is important to education. Teacher and the tools & supplies needed to teach are what is needed. And a previous commentor mentioned the property the school district bought & then sold at a loss because they couldn't use the site. They have been squandering money right & left. Not to mention the severance package for Tata. Wake County Schools are a money pit with less & less education to show for the money spent!

    Wake County needs to take a lesson from Johnson County. Simply designed schools, several different plans to fit the terrain the schools are being built on... Taffy

    Wake Co uses prototypes, including award-winning ones. Design guidelines are for plain schools. They do exactly what you recommend.

    http://www.raleigh-wake.org/page/rolesville-high-school-wins-maj

  • Screw WrAl Jan 2, 3:38 p.m.

    Needs? I don't think so. I don't know a soul in their right mind who would vote to give this asinine school system another dime, I certainly will not.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 3:37 p.m.

    "westernwake: I checked the street address, 2620 and 2628. Both of them show WCPSS, DKK Dev LLC, then what looks like a family. Raleigh people with the family's last name contributed to Romney ($3k) and Dems ($2K) over the last decade. None are big contributors. DKK doesn't show at all.

    I love following the money, though - thanks!

    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/CSearch.aspx

    http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml

    http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/" - babbleon

    Thanks for looking for the info. I am stuck on a conference call, but I will try to look through the links again and also try find my old WRAL thread later.

  • sbr1963 Jan 2, 3:24 p.m.

    As long as the clowns of this board of education are still serving, I will not be supporting any bond issue.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 3:23 p.m.

    westernwake: I checked the street address, 2620 and 2628. Both of them show WCPSS, DKK Dev LLC, then what looks like a family. Raleigh people with the family's last name contributed to Romney ($3k) and Dems ($2K) over the last decade. None are big contributors. DKK doesn't show at all.

    I love following the money, though - thanks!

    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/CSearch.aspx

    http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml

    http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/

  • NiceNSmooth Jan 2, 3:13 p.m.

    Anyway I will vote "no" on any and every bond issue. It is past time for people to start paying to educate their own children.

    We do ... its called property taxes!!!

  • superman Jan 2, 2:58 p.m.

    Keep in mind that it takes 3 to 5 years to build a school. So even with a new bond issue there just aint no quick fix. Anyway I will vote "no" on any and every bond issue. It is past time for people to start paying to educate their own children.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 2:56 p.m.

    "The only counties flush with bond money for construction are the poor counties - that aren't growing. The lottery distributes the money based on tax rates - counties that have the HIGHEST tax rate per $1,000 of property getting the most. Since Wake has such valuable property the tax rate is relatively low. You can go to the lottery website and click on Where the Money Goes to see how much Wake and other counties get. Last I heard, Wake doesn't get enough to even build one school each year" - SaveEnergyMan

    The following website provides an overview of where the lottery money goes. Only 22.7% of the funds go for school construction. Sadly the general fund has been reducing the money spent on education in North Carolina since the lottery was put into place. The original intent was to have the Lottery supplement the general fund, instead it has replaced it.

    This site also allows you to view each county. -

    http://www.nc-educationlottery.org/beneficiary.aspx

  • SaveEnergyMan Jan 2, 2:29 p.m.

    The only counties flush with bond money for construction are the poor counties - that aren't growing. The lottery distributes the money based on tax rates - counties that have the HIGHEST tax rate per $1,000 of property getting the most. Since Wake has such valuable property the tax rate is relatively low. You can go to the lottery website and click on Where the Money Goes to see how much Wake and other counties get. Last I heard, Wake doesn't get enough to even build one school each year.

  • ravenrll Jan 2, 1:46 p.m.

    I hate comments made by outsiders. Those that don't think Wake needs this Bond to pass go by and vist a school that more then 15 years old. Then ask your self would I want my kids siting in those classrooms. Its a joke.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 1:46 p.m.

    "westernwake: ok, DKK Developers LLC - I found a manager with the initials DKK, but I don't find any donations from him. Since my donations are visible at the FEC site, I think it's pretty good. What am I missing? (Tax bill for the Forestville Rd site now only shows WCPSS)

    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/CSearch.aspx

    http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml" -

    babbleon

    What is the parcel id that you have for the Forestville school site? It should have the record of all the previous deed transfers. Maybe they combined serveral parcels into one master parcel after the school system purchased it. It has been over a year since I looked at this.... for some reason DKK is not ringing a bell. Thx.

    http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/

  • TVs_Deceit Jan 2, 1:44 p.m.

    How about we start with limiting the Constitutionally guaranteed education to it's only rightful recipients, lawful citizens.

    The offspring of criminal trespassers are not citizens and therefore have no Constitutional rights to education.

    The problem of space will be solved immediately without need for a bond if we simply arrested and jailed/deported those criminals who broke the law by entering the State.

    We don't need new schools, we just need to limit their use to those who legally have a right to attend them.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 1:34 p.m.

    westernwake: ok, DKK Developers LLC - I found a manager with the initials DKK, but I don't find any donations from him. Since my donations are visible at the FEC site, I think it's pretty good. What am I missing? (Tax bill for the Forestville Rd site now only shows WCPSS)

    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/CSearch.aspx

    http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml

  • babbleon Jan 2, 1:19 p.m.

    Yeesh! Could you posters do some basic research before you complain?!

    Wake Co uses prototype designs for schools.

    Wake Co considers re-using older buildings to save $$.

    Construction is bid in a sealed-bid competitive bidding process. If NC business are not lowest, they don't get the contract. If we did anything else, you'd be complaining about the wasted money.

    http://www.wcpss.net/about-us/our-facilities/

    http://www.wcpss.net/about-us/our-facilities/real-estate/site-aquisition.html

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 1:09 p.m.

    "westernwake: I would be interested in knowing more about the high school - do you have any sources for your statements? I did a quick search and it's not been well-covered." - babbleon

    Very simple. Dig up the parcel number of the high school land in the Wake county Real Estate Records. Go back through the sales (with prices) on the online deed records. Cross-correlate the previous owners LLC with the person's name (via the address location to send the tax bill). Double check the online State records for LLC ownership. Cross-correlate the individual's name to the Democratic donation records.

    I did this on a previous thread... go dig back.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 1:08 p.m.

    I would rather see the awards in teaching our kids than for the buildings that are built! rlee1117

    We get those too:

    http://www.ncpublicschools.org/newsroom/news/2012-13/20121114-01

    http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-county-magnet-schools-win-national-awards

  • babbleon Jan 2, 1:00 p.m.

    Westernwake:

    To me, the high school issue looks like the 2010 board threw away $15M because they didn't like the site. However they got into the situation, that seems like a bad choice.

    I would still be interested in any links you have on how we got into the situation (re: allegations about Dem donor...).

    And there are problems with the new site - like distance / location, though I bet time will fix that.

    http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/6993847/

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/06/18/539000/rolesville-school-site-stirs-patronage.html

  • pappybigtuna1 Jan 2, 12:47 p.m.

    yo babbleon boon, the reason you don't know what I am saying is because it is on topic - CONSTRUCTION Obviously you attended school in wake county, bet you know how to ride a school bus

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 12:47 p.m.

    I would rather see the awards in teaching our kids than for the buildings that are built!

  • joeBob Jan 2, 12:45 p.m.

    when I retire in a couple years I am moving out of Wake Co to the poorest county I can find with the smallest school system so I dont have to pay for building classrooms in the nation's 16th largest school district. After paying Wake Co taxes for 30 years, that's just about enough.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 12:43 p.m.

    westernwake: I would be interested in knowing more about the high school - do you have any sources for your statements? I did a quick search and it's not been well-covered.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 12:38 p.m.

    We need impact fees from new construction and transfer taxes to pay for the new infrastructure. rushbot

    We tried that, back in 2007/2008. Voters didn't pass it.

    It's like people think we get services for free.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 12:37 p.m.

    pappybigtuna1: Could you try posting again in English?

  • babbleon Jan 2, 12:34 p.m.

    Wake County needs to take a lesson from Johnson County. Simply designed schools, several different plans to fit the terrain the schools are being built on... Taffy

    Wake Co uses prototypes, including award-winning ones. Design guidelines are for plain schools. They do exactly what you recommend.

    http://www.raleigh-wake.org/page/rolesville-high-school-wins-major-award

    http://www.wcpss.net/about-us/our-facilities/facilities/#design-guidelines

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 12:28 p.m.

    Think of all the money we would save with a base design for every high school,middle school,elementary school. Then everyone will be treated the same! The builders also should be NC. based to keep the bucks spent at home also! That would put our dollars to work here and build jobs also. It's a win-win for the State and Wake County.

  • NJDEVILSFANINNCHELL Jan 2, 12:20 p.m.

    NO TO BONDS!!!!!!

  • Taffy Jan 2, 12:08 p.m.

    The money being spent by the school board (past & present) isn't reaching the kids or the teachers. Take a look at the Holly Springs Elementary, Middle & High Schools. Wake County needs to take a lesson from Johnson County. Simply designed schools, several different plans to fit the terrain the schools are being built on. When we moved down here 12 years ago, the school board at that time was throwing money away and they've kept doing it. I haven't seen and currently don't see that the various Wake County School Boards truly taking care of the kids.Fancy school buildings don't educate the children - teachers do!

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 11:54 a.m.

    I say if you got ties to any group where it be the NAACP or any of them they don't need to be on the board because they will always do as any group wants to stay in good standing whether it's legal or not. Have we heard back from AdvancEd yet? It's funny to see how that got hidden so fast when it was a big deal a few years back huh!

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 11:49 a.m.

    "Until they finalize Gainey's appointment of super, appoint a replacement for Malone and clean up East Wake county schools I say NO BONDS!!!"

    NiceNSmooth I say get a new supt. too not Gainey as he is only a yes man to part of the board and could care less about helping others. He does not support people that are seeking jobs either. Even with proof he will not admit he is wrong! Missing records and too much double talk. One minute he don't have records then when you show him he is wrong then poof he comes up with records you can't even read.

  • pappybigtuna1 Jan 2, 11:45 a.m.

    westernwake - not sure what you are saying, I did not say end the schools, the key word is education, only education.

    The school board CAN NOT find a contractor in NC to build a school? ALL that money/profits goes to another state because they are the only one's smart enough to build a school? Its just a building with inside flush toilets.

    These yocalls, we call a school board fired the only leader we have had in years that had a focus

  • rushbot Jan 2, 11:43 a.m.

    To heck with bonds! We need impact fees from new construction and transfer taxes to pay for the new infrastructure. Win, win: it will help pay, or it will keep all the out of staters from showing up and crowding us!!!

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 11:35 a.m.

    In other news, it appears that the Wake County School board has searched the country for a first or second tier candidate for school superintendent and can not find a single interested person. One even called WakeCounty schools "possibly the worst governed school system in the U.S.". I guess the board will have to fall back on appointing a large Democratic in-state donor as the next Superintendent.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 11:31 a.m.

    "The reality is, Art Pope, NC's new deputy budget director, will make money if public schools go downhill, and he has targeted Wake Co. He funded Tedesco and the board that wasted our money by moving HQ and the new high school site. He would love to see this fail, and for Wake Co to fall further behind its growth." - babbleon

    You mean the high school site the old Democratic board purchased from a large Democratic donor, and paid 3X the price that the donor purchased it for mere months earlier. The high school site that did not meet federal or state standards for a school site. It was quite properly changed to a new site.

    You should also note that all the initial votes (pre-approval, planning, budgeting) driving the new school system adminstration buildings to Cary were done under the old Democratic Board, only the final vote took place with the Republican majority. This move was 5 years in the making.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 11:26 a.m.

    "Why more expensive? Tata explained:

    1) New schools will open under capacity, because they can't reassign kids from nearby schools.

    2) Transportation - kids already in a neighborhood may go to school A due to stability, but new kids moving in go to new school B - two buses through the same hood.

    I've said from day one neighborhood schools will cost more, and anyone who supports them needs to be ready to pay for it. Here's the bill." - babbleon

    Neighborhood schools cost more - NONSENSE. Tata said the **Choice Plan** will cost more. Neighborhood schools are the MOST cost effective manner to do assignment. The Choice Plan is not Neighborhood School Assignment.

    Wake County already opens up high schools with only 9th & 10th grade. Middle schools with only 7th and 8th, and Elementary with only K-2 for the past 40 years. Under-utilization of new schools in the early years is nothing new to Wake County.

  • justjean Jan 2, 11:25 a.m.

    What happened to all the money from the education lottery?

  • justjean Jan 2, 11:24 a.m.

    I will plan to not just vote no, but heck no!!

  • Thought Criminal WS Jan 2, 11:21 a.m.

    "Taffy: so, you're going to punish the kids because the adults can't behave like adults? Short-sighted."

    Niave and short sighted on your part. Place blame where it is due, on the BOE for wasting on thier petty issues and control games. You think you give a drug addict 20$ and say buy your kids some food that they are going to buy food? Reality check, they'll buy 20$ more in drugs and tell you a sob story.

    The BOE behaves in the same manner - so place blame where it is due, squarely on the shoulder of the corrupt, and mind you, they decided to do what they did without regard for the children, so next time you pose the question remember to assign blame where it's due and say:

    The BoE chose power and politics over the well being of your children.

    Just like I won't support a drug fiend, I for one don't want to feed the appetite of the power hungry.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 11:14 a.m.

    "WE NEED TO END THE WAKE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD It is time to privatize the system, end the non-sence" - pappybigtuna1

    Yeah... let's just trample all sorts of federal and state laws that require that a public education be provided and free for students in the U.S.

    It is would be better if we voted all the representatives on the Wake County School Board out of office, and elected non-political people focussed on what is best for the children.

  • NiceNSmooth Jan 2, 11:13 a.m.

    I say NO to any bonds!!!

    Until they finalize Gainey's appointment of super, appoint a replacement for Malone and clean up East Wake county schools I say NO BONDS!!!

  • pappybigtuna1 Jan 2, 11:04 a.m.

    This is 1 department that should be ended, they can not manage themselves nor the money thay are taking from the tax payers.

    WE NEED TO END THE WAKE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD It is time to privatize the system, end the non-sence

  • babbleon Jan 2, 11:01 a.m.

    Taffy: so, you're going to punish the kids because the adults can't behave like adults? Short-sighted.

    Also: They have about 7 base school plans, which they adapt to the site. How much simpler do you want?

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 10:57 a.m.

    I would urge everyone to vote in support of the upcoming school bond. It is clear that the school system has a growing student population and new schools are needed. A bond proposal is the most cost effective way to fund new school construction that will have to be done - there are no real alternatives.

    I expect that a well-constructed bond spending proposal to be put forward once it goes through the budgeting process. While I am not a fan of the Wake County School Board (either party), I expect that guidance from the Wake County Board of Commissioner will guide the bond proposal down a reasonable track.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 10:51 a.m.

    "Sutton is starting to look and sound more like the "Rev" Barber everyday. Guess he is looking for a new job?"

    Keith Sutton is the former executive director of the North Carolina NAACP. It is not surprising that he sounds like rev. Barber.

  • paultaylorsr100 Jan 2, 10:45 a.m.

    Vote down ANY bond proposals!!!

  • Taffy Jan 2, 10:38 a.m.

    Until this school board can prove that they can work together as mature adults without regards to personal party affiliation, I will vote against any bonds for the Wake County school district. They also need to simplify the architectural designs. These are schools not monuments to the school boards.

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 10:36 a.m.

    Until a new and I mean a new Supt, is hired how can they even be asking for any money without a Supt that is not part of either side of the board. Gainey is a yes man and we need someone that leads and not just to be a yes man for part of the board. After all it is our tax dollars and not theirs.

  • rlee1117 Jan 2, 10:28 a.m.

    If this school board wants anymore of our hard earned bucks they need to meet all needs and not the needs of one side only. Gainey needs to be replaced he is just a yes man with no direction but a self power trip. They fired Tata without the public's support and put Gainey in place because Gainey will say yes to them no matter if it's the right thing to do or not. Where is our new Supt. that the board was looking to hire in place of Mr.Tata? It was all a ploy to put their yes man in that postion and I will not support Mr Gainey for the reason of he will not admit when he is wrong no matter who he hurts. I know this first hand!

  • Thought Criminal WS Jan 2, 10:09 a.m.

    This is NOT for the kids, this is for overgrown children who can't behave like adults or handle finances responsibility. After the political games with Tata, the waste and inefficieny, the graft by the DEMOCRATS around this area, I adamantly say:

    HECK NO!!!

    The school board deserves a kick in the rear for even asking for more money.

  • babbleon Jan 2, 9:58 a.m.

    In addition place trailers in every place there is room to fit one in. There is nothing wrong with them...Every layer of Government just wants to grow and take more and more money... whatelseisnew

    We're at the lowest tax burden in 50 years. Your statement about taxes is directly opposite reality.

    Trailers are ok? Have you been in them? We're looking at the local schools for our 5yo for next year, and trailers are dark and depressing. They also cost more to heat and cool, and require replacing more often.

    Your short-term view is not the best solution for NC or the US.

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